Chinese Tourists in Japan Ease Tensions

Oct 22, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Epoch Times

A cruise by 1,500 Chinese tourists from Shanghai, China to Japan, on Saturday has sparked a furious debate among Chinese netizens.

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I think your right, 70% of US economy is consumer spending, US just keep on printing so consumer can keep consuming,
making a mockery of working. But the system is failing in food production, as 82 says EU big producer but cost of producing means nobody can afford without subsidy. World won't accept Nations being starved to death while the wealthy squander the resources of the world on garbage. Finance will get the push out of first place, resources will take over by political demand. Military threat is not such a big deal any more. Chinese voluntary boycott of Japanese goods is unassailable.
US squandered trillion US dollars War debts every year on many Illicit overseas wars could had gone into Rebuilt US DecrePIT infrastructure , job and educaation development, Social Securities increases, Social issues, repairing civil liberties and human rights issues... no wonder US leaders are bunch of corrupted, power humgry, and greed is killing the US and the world with it US war machines, no longer trusted by the world community, if don't repair it moral values...
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I think your right, 70% of US economy is consumer spending, US just keep on printing so consumer can keep consuming,
making a mockery of working. But the system is failing in food production, as 82 says EU big producer but cost of producing means nobody can afford without subsidy. World won't accept Nations being starved to death while the wealthy squander the resources of the world on garbage. Finance will get the push out of first place, resources will take over by political demand. Military threat is not such a big deal any more. Chinese voluntary boycott of Japanese goods is unassailable.
actually, a health economy will kept 60% comsuming, 20% foreign trade, 20% innovation or new investment.

Chinese has been loved to save too much. so if gov. rising wages, only end up in saving. better give shopping card, kind of forced comsumption.
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actually, a health economy will kept 60% comsuming, 20% foreign trade, 20% innovation or new investment.
Chinese has been loved to save too much. so if gov. rising wages, only end up in saving. better give shopping card, kind of forced comsumption.
US Consumers over Consuming === > body of unhea;thy FAT pigs, lazy, corrupted, dumbed down, ill - mannerism, uncouth, immoral, apathetic, non family oriented- kids, violence and wars, stupid....

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I think your right, 70% of US economy is consumer spending, US just keep on printing so consumer can keep consuming,
making a mockery of working. But the system is failing in food production, as 82 says EU big producer but cost of producing means nobody can afford without subsidy. World won't accept Nations being starved to death while the wealthy squander the resources of the world on garbage. Finance will get the push out of first place, resources will take over by political demand. Military threat is not such a big deal any more. Chinese voluntary boycott of Japanese goods is unassailable.
Nope, wrong again, the EU not only out produces every other country and region in the world so they are better at it then say the US, Australia and other nations that have subsidies. And dont tell me chinese farmers and industries dont receive subsidies because they do. Farmers in the EU deserve subsidies because it is expensive to grow anything in Europe....come down it get -50 in winter here in Norway, its hard enough to keep yourself alive not mention grow wheat.
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Amy Goodman, Exception to the Rulers, p293

General Douglas MacArthur had declared southern Japan off-limits, barring the press. Over 200,000 people died in the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but no Western journalist witnessed the aftermath and told the story.
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US still waging a war on japan till today- a MAcroeconomic war on japan and world also.

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if usa crushed, china can simply give every citizens 5000 yuan shopping card a year, that way, would be 7 trillion yuan new market for Chinese good, 8% increase of GDP. at same time , won't affect the competitive nature chinese good in global market.
there has to be someone to buy usa debt to keep us game going. not chinese. fed cann't unlimited print money forever, because they have to sell something to get money back.
more or more likely, they have to sell the land, which is self-immolation.
as i said, you know nothing about china
BTW the Japanese tried this to get their people to start spending also to encourage consumer spending, they are famously known as the Helicopter cash drops. A helicopter money drop is a form of monetary policy in which a Central Bank prints money and distributes it directly to households / consumers.

They even tried making the interest zero so as to encourage spending and drum up the domestic demand. But they all failed because it takes a long time to creat a strong consumer confidence, and the Japanese are much richer then the Chinese.

It takes a long time to have a strong consumer demand. The S.Koreans on the other hand already brought up the value of their currency and thus stimulated consumer spendning earlier during their development.

What your government should have done is switch to high value goods earlier and then stimulate spending while times where good by raising the value of the yuan earlier so that domestic consumers are exposed to foreign markets and get a taste of glorious spending and providing more public services such as educationa and health. At least then they would have a larger demand then now.

Thank God or Allah or Mao that you are not the one running the country my fair lady.
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BTW the Japanese tried this to get their people to start spending also to encourage consumer spending, they are famously known as the Helicopter cash drops. A helicopter money drop is a form of monetary policy in which a Central Bank prints money and distributes it directly to households / consumers.
They even tried making the interest zero so as to encourage spending and drum up the domestic demand. But they all failed because it takes a long time to creat a strong consumer confidence, and the Japanese are much richer then the Chinese.
It takes a long time to have a strong consumer demand. The S.Koreans on the other hand already brought up the value of their currency and thus stimulated consumer spendning earlier during their development.
What your government should have done is switch to high value goods earlier and then stimulate spending while times where good by raising the value of the yuan earlier so that domestic consumers are exposed to foreign markets and get a taste of glorious spending and providing more public services such as educationa and health. At least then they would have a larger demand then now.
Thank God or Allah or Mao that you are not the one running the country my fair lady.
economy is more about economic activities than money printing.

of course china need switch to high value goods, because there is demand in china for that. built a tech. leading economy is chinese gov. goal.

A helicopter money drop is not effortive way to redisbute wealth.

under chinese system, we can do it in much reasonable way.

it is chinese gov. just doing.

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<quoted text>Sooner or later many nation will not want to US currency, because of US fed /US wall Street obnoxious secret invoking monthly rounds of US macroeconomic wars on global scale are hurting the world economies and it also a coup d'tete on AMericans Economic and financial well being... you are clueless.. And, what are concurrent concurrence of this ill US conconcieved evil agenda will have effect on fabric of the world system?
Anther American deadman on the arrival, who can't even understand it own evil US PNAC agenda ... Paradoxically another of our Stupid Americans, so easily taken to the cleaners , As deadman like you are left in the gutter without memorial, Unknown! BWHAHHHAAAAAAAA
Now listen here, I take very harshly at being called ignorant in my field, defeated and American. First of all I am from Norway, secondly my friend US growth is responsible for growth in China as China is an export led economy and exports are mainly to the US and EU, so is growth in South America, India and Africa.

I hate these hippy types who don't know a single thing of what is really going on who come here call me names and start posting on how globalization and capitalism is evil yet nothing else works and countries are lining up for miles trying to trade with the west.

Current western consumption of goods and services has led to the largest spread of wealth ever, EVER in history. So now tell me again how the west is hurting the world economies? How?

STOP READING TOO MANY SILLY HALF WITTED BOOKS LIKE THE ECONOMIC ASSASIN AND WALK OVER TO THE REALITY SIDE OF LIFE. I can tell that is were you got your macroeconomic wars speach. Read the book too but unlike you I am educated and know that is not what really happens, so put down the pipe and get it into your head that no conspiracy is being hatched.

FYI-by mentioning Japan I am guess the revaluation of their currency right? Well that hasn't been the source of their problems sonny, Japanese goods and services are even more in demand then they were before they revaluated their currency.

It's their own delays on revaluating their currency that excerated their surplus which overheated their economy creating the bubbles and overrinvestment in infrustructure instead of drumming up a domestic demand that led to the woes their having.

Stop smoking that good shiet Afro Man

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economy is more about economic activities than money printing.
of course china need switch to high value goods, because there is demand in china for that. built a tech. leading economy is chinese gov. goal.
A helicopter money drop is not effortive way to redisbute wealth.
under chinese system, we can do it in much reasonable way.
it is chinese gov. just doing.
But what you are saying is exactly what a helicopter cash drop is me lady. Don't take in its literal meaning, the Japanese also distributed money in very smart ways but as you know can't force domestic demand, I hear they even put expiry dates on money but if people are poor they will always figure out ways on how to save that money even if it is not in money form.

They will trade those cards or something ingenious, don't act like you don't know how clever chinese people are at such things.
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LATIN ASIA AFRO MID EAST wrote:
<quoted text>US Consumers over Consuming === > body of unhea;thy FAT pigs, lazy, corrupted, dumbed down, ill - mannerism, uncouth, immoral, apathetic, non family oriented- kids, violence and wars, stupid....
usa has virtuely no economy, except weapons and food.

of course, they borrow from future.
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But what you are saying is exactly what a helicopter cash drop is me lady. Don't take in its literal meaning, the Japanese also distributed money in very smart ways but as you know can't force domestic demand, I hear they even put expiry dates on money but if people are poor they will always figure out ways on how to save that money even if it is not in money form.
They will trade those cards or something ingenious, don't act like you don't know how clever chinese people are at such things.
of course we can. as long as we produce.
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don't tell Mao failed. Mao didn't. at his time, China was such backward country in education, tech,
industry, urbanization. it does takes time to develop people.
without Mao and his socialism, China would be much worse.

Without Mao China would be many small disfunctional States, all living in perpetual humiliation, Khrushchev was inept leader
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Nope, wrong again, the EU not only out produces every other country and region in the world so they are better at it then say the US, Australia and other nations that have subsidies. And dont tell me chinese farmers and industries dont receive subsidies because they do. Farmers in the EU deserve subsidies because it is expensive to grow anything in Europe....come down it get -50 in winter here in Norway, its hard enough to keep yourself alive not mention grow wheat.

I can tell you for absolute sure 82 Australian farmers are not subsidized in any way, they pay taxed, not spend taxes,
China not only don't subsidize their farmers they make it even harder for them, than Australian Farmers. Chinese farmers not allowed to sell land, not allowed to move to city to work and become absentee land lord. Definitely Chinese Farmers are not pampered in any way like European and North American Farmers, who distort the market place.

You must realize 82 the nuts and bolts problem is professions and extremely highly skilled workers are getting paid far too much. Wealthy economies come to terms with corruption by, "giving in to it"
Paying Off The Powerful, by working the guts out of the poor.

This is the concentration of wealth.
Money making money.
The culmination of capitalism.
There is no answer to address it.
Economic Empires will keep getting bigger.
The trickle down theory of "wealth distribution" only works in times of expansion, which cannot continue because of insatiable need, always being met by limited resource. Planning and population control, cannot come from small Nations because their elite are easily manipulated
by vested interests from overseas, who always threaten and bully to get what they want. The world is going to restructure itself, countries like Britain and France will be out in the cold, they got little resource and don't believe in work
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE

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www. usdebtclock .org

^ not sure why they delete this link

shows 629 trillion in "money" and credit derivatives for the USA

what ever the amount it dosent matter... the banks TOO BIG TO FAIL in the USA and western countries

will no be able to cover these bets....

probably think the Chinese would be stupid enough to buy these banks for 1 dollar and then be on the hook for hundreds of trillions of dollars... trying to unwind this debt
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RESISTANCE IS FUTILE wrote:
www. usdebtclock .org
^ not sure why they delete this link
shows 629 trillion in "money" and credit derivatives for the USA
what ever the amount it dosent matter... the banks TOO BIG TO FAIL in the USA and western countries
will no be able to cover these bets....
probably think the Chinese would be stupid enough to buy these banks for 1 dollar and then be on the hook for hundreds of trillions of dollars... trying to unwind this debt
That's exactly what they do expect. The West, more so Britain and France than the rest have been saying,-since China say "Free Market means Chinese Companies should not be discriminated against",- if Chinese Nationals want to participate in Capitalism then your middle class tied to entrepreneurial skill has to rule China.
Of course CCP. know that won't work, it's just a ploy for Foreign Interests to subvert
Chinese divisions and create hatred to divide and exploit China.
But still Japan believes China is stupid.
CHINA MUST BE CHEAP, MUST DO AS "US" COMMANDS.
Why, because Japan is vassal of US.
US servicemen have a field day with Okinawa daughters. Now bring 550 more soldiers,Japanese have to provide for.
No wonder Japanese think Chinese are stupid, Japanese think being Stupid is Start thing to be.
Wonder when Jane is coming back.

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of course we can. as long as we produce.
Not that simple my dear, the Japanese still out produce their needs, the excess in imports is due by the fact that their economy needs to import more to export, a classic case of an imbalanced economy.

The export sector and domestic demand are still trying to reach a common ground but its really hard because normally an economy that is not interfered with like say that of hongkong will balance these two out before the difference is so much that later too many factors make it difficult rebalance them.

Invisible hand baby and thank god you're not running the chinese economy....

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I can tell you for absolute sure 82 Australian farmers are not subsidized in any way, they pay taxed, not spend taxes,
China not only don't subsidize their farmers they make it even harder for them, than Australian Farmers. Chinese farmers not allowed to sell land, not allowed to move to city to work and become absentee land lord. Definitely Chinese Farmers are not pampered in any way like European and North American Farmers, who distort the market place.
You must realize 82 the nuts and bolts problem is professions and extremely highly skilled workers are getting paid far too much. Wealthy economies come to terms with corruption by, "giving in to it"
Paying Off The Powerful, by working the guts out of the poor.
This is the concentration of wealth.
Money making money.
The culmination of capitalism.
There is no answer to address it.
Economic Empires will keep getting bigger.
The trickle down theory of "wealth distribution" only works in times of expansion, which cannot continue because of insatiable need, always being met by limited resource. Planning and population control, cannot come from small Nations because their elite are easily manipulated
by vested interests from overseas, who always threaten and bully to get what they want. The world is going to restructure itself, countries like Britain and France will be out in the cold, they got little resource and don't believe in work
luckily i was lived in Perth for a while in 2003, and still have friends there. Read about the dairy industry, sure will change everything you think of the Aussie dairy industry check that out and then come back with your no subsidy routine.

FYI The chinese farmer is subsidesed, but am not even going to argue on that now, but am not even against subsidese on farmers, its the best way to ensure food security after all

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Without Mao China would be many small disfunctional States, all living in perpetual humiliation, Khrushchev was inept leader
suka, he was a not....maybe he drunk a little but his Russian, they practically invented alcoholics
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luckily i was lived in Perth for a while in 2003, and still have friends there. Read about the dairy industry, sure will change everything you think of the Aussie dairy industry check that out and then come back with your no subsidy routine.
FYI The chinese farmer is subsidesed, but am not even going to argue on that now, but am not even against subsidese on farmers, its the best way to ensure food security after all

Subsidies mean wrong price of produce one way or the other, subsidies are evil, too bad you too busy may be another time.
Speaking of time, I think we began to phase in the end of protectionism for the dairy industry late last century. About the same time as we rationalized the auto. building
enterprise. Probably dairy market is on the open market now, milk is very much cheaper, a lot of dairy farms closed and a lot got bigger, but I'm sure we still can't compete with NZ, I think there is a way to go with dairy, I will look into it. Problem is with free range cattle if you haven't got regular rainfall it's either feast or famine, maybe we end up closing up shop in some places it costs the same to transport from Queensland as it does from NZ.

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