Chinese aircraft carrier fails to mak...

Chinese aircraft carrier fails to make a splash with Canadian military

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China HUMILIATED by CCP

Surrey, Canada

#22 Nov 18, 2013
ANZ wrote:
Does what Canada think even matter to the rest of the world?
The Canadian forces are undermanned, underequipped and underfunded.
It's nothing more than a boy's scout organization in adult form.
I know the garbage propaganda that passes for history in CCP China, so I forgive your stupidity.

Go to Hong Kong and find a book on the Battle of Kapyong during the Korean War, and read how 600 Canadian soldiers defeated an attack by 7000 Peoples' Liquidation Army troops and killed over 2000 of them, while suffering only EIGHT dead. Not an American in sight then.....and in the end CCP China lost that war.

don't YOU look stupid!
China HUMILIATED by CCP

Surrey, Canada

#23 Nov 18, 2013
You may also want to read up on Canadian Victories in Europe fighting the Fascists in WWII, which happened while the Chinese Communist Party Cadres were HIDING from the Japanese invaders......

The Peoples' Liquidation Army is useless of course, except in its main job of murdering Chinese to assist the CCP criminal regime in "clinging to power".

Just cheap criminal thugs.
AZN

Barrhead, Canada

#24 Nov 18, 2013
China HUMILIATED by CCP wrote:
<quoted text>
I know the garbage propaganda that passes for history in CCP China, so I forgive your stupidity.
Go to Hong Kong and find a book on the Battle of Kapyong during the Korean War, and read how 600 Canadian soldiers defeated an attack by 7000 Peoples' Liquidation Army troops and killed over 2000 of them, while suffering only EIGHT dead. Not an American in sight then.....and in the end CCP China lost that war.
don't YOU look stupid!
Nobody does propaganda and spamming better than you, slumdog bitch.
It is so Amazing

Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

#25 Nov 18, 2013
China HUMILIATED by CCP wrote:
<quoted text>
I know the garbage propaganda that passes for history in CCP China, so I forgive your stupidity.
Go to Hong Kong and find a book on the Battle of Kapyong during the Korean War, and read how 600 Canadian soldiers defeated an attack by 7000 Peoples' Liquidation Army troops and killed over 2000 of them, while suffering only EIGHT dead. Not an American in sight then.....and in the end CCP China lost that war.
don't YOU look stupid!
Hahahaha The Battle of Kapyong during Korean War where brave heavily armed UN soldiers were shooting at Chinese Volunteers charging at them with only spears, swords and bugles. So brave Canadian they were yet many of them suffer post war traumatic syndrone after the war due to GUILT and not BRAVERY.

How about a new war where the situation is reversed, Canadian soldiers issued with spears, swords and bugle while Chinese PLA soldiers were issued machine guns and automatic rifles today.

I bet you do not find any Canadian casualties as they would have all ran away.

So you see, as my US Korean War veteran friend used to say, it takes a lot of guts to charges at your heavily armed enemy with nothing except primitive weapons like spear, sticks, swords and bugle. That is a real army - TRAINED or UNTRAINED.

SO for all the idiots here who gloried the Korean War. go home and learn more facts before you embarrassed yourself in front of people like us, those who know what happened then.

The Modern British Army did it against the Zulu tribe in Africa ages ago.

Did anybody watch it?
Eduardo

Durango, Mexico

#26 Nov 18, 2013
China HUMILIATED by CCP wrote:
Yes, China has no allies at all except the DPRK and its isolation makes it very, very backwards.
Yes, Canadian soldiers, even though outnumbered by ten to one, inflicted HUMILIATING DEFEATS on the incompetent Peoples' Liquidation Army when CCP China invaded the free south of Korea.
We must be getting our information from different sources:
* first of all South Korea wasn't free at the time of the Korean War, they had an autocratic regime that ended in 1960.
* second China didn't invade South Korea, they intervened after the USA-led forces crossed the partition line into North Korea and were nearing the Chinese-North Korean border, after they intervened the UN forces were pushed back into the 38th parallel forcing them into an stalemate.

...and the fact that the commander, Douglas MacArthur, was trying to supersede the authority of the President of the US didn't help their side either.
It is so Amazing

Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

#27 Nov 18, 2013
Anyway CV016 Liaoning China first aircraft carrier is merely a TRAINING and EXPERIMENTAL aircraft carrier for the future China Aircraft carriers group.

The Varyag structure has many weaknessness as it is basically constructed as LANDING PLATFORM on a top of a big cruiser like what India and Japan is did when they constructed their so-called indigenous BABY AIRCRAFT CARRIER with imported special steel that cannot land a VTOL F35 with a hole on the floor.

An Aircraft Carrier section with catapult provision exposed in Shanghai Jiangnan Shipyard recently is raisng some excitement among enthusiasts. This proved that China next Aircraft Carrier will be constructed using modular configuration like how USA Ronald Reagan or UK QEII were built. Like all the advanced nation the propulsion system is an electric hybrid. They have already installed these on civilian vessels which CHINA built.

Yes! Like the Canadian Minister says, the F15 is still being tested but he was not updated on the current fact that the F15 Supershark has already entered serial production and is not a prototype like he claimed.

The CV016 Liaoning is tested to speed up to 33 knot. Pretty impressive I must says and faster then the sister ship in Russia. Can housed 50 aircraft including 30 F15 heavy fighter bombers.

A decent and heavy Chinese F15 cannot landed on any India Aircraft carriers as the special steel structure is not strong enough due to its thickness. The arresting cables onboard the Indian AC is catered for light aircrafts like MiG29K or LCA which has a payload of 1 ton and 700km range maximum.

To describe just a few weakness of India much publicized warships.
It is so Amazing

Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

#28 Nov 18, 2013
The Varyag structure has many weaknessness as it is basically constructed as LANDING PLATFORM on a top of a big cruiser like what India and Japan is did when they constructed their so-called indigenous BABY AIRCRAFT CARRIER with thinner imported special steel that cannot land a VTOL F35 without BURNING a hole through the floor.
lct

Beijing, China

#29 Nov 18, 2013
we don't try to sell ACs to Canada.:)
Canada doesn't have to be 'impressed' by Chinese ACs.
New China

Xuchang, China

#30 Nov 19, 2013
lct wrote:
we don't try to sell ACs to Canada.:)
Canada doesn't have to be 'impressed' by Chinese ACs.
eh? what is chinese ACs? are they impressed by chinese DC?
PLA Kill ONLY Chinese

Surrey, Canada

#31 Nov 19, 2013
It is so Amazing wrote:
<quoted text>
Hahahaha The Battle of Kapyong during Korean War where brave heavily armed UN soldiers were shooting at Chinese Volunteers charging at them with only spears, swords and bugles. So brave Canadian they were yet many of them suffer post war traumatic syndrone after the war due to GUILT and not BRAVERY.
How about a new war where the situation is reversed, Canadian soldiers issued with spears, swords and bugle while Chinese PLA soldiers were issued machine guns and automatic rifles today.
I bet you do not find any Canadian casualties as they would have all ran away.
So you see, as my US Korean War veteran friend used to say, it takes a lot of guts to charges at your heavily armed enemy with nothing except primitive weapons like spear, sticks, swords and bugle. That is a real army - TRAINED or UNTRAINED.
SO for all the idiots here who gloried the Korean War. go home and learn more facts before you embarrassed yourself in front of people like us, those who know what happened then.
The Modern British Army did it against the Zulu tribe in Africa ages ago.
Did anybody watch it?
Yes, your CCP would send Chinese into battle armed with "spears", because they don't care how many of their Chinese livestock die! Thanks for confessing just how backwards, heartless and incompetent your PLA is!

But in fact, the Chinese invaders of South Korea were well-armed with weapons from Stalin, including tanks, artillery and MIGs with Soviet pilots, as is clear from history!

But of course you know nothing of history, you stupid, lying traitor to China!
PLA Kill ONLY Chinese

Surrey, Canada

#33 Nov 19, 2013
Eduardo wrote:
<quoted text>
We must be getting our information from different sources:
* first of all South Korea wasn't free at the time of the Korean War, they had an autocratic regime that ended in 1960.
* second China didn't invade South Korea, they intervened after the USA-led forces crossed the partition line into North Korea and were nearing the Chinese-North Korean border, after they intervened the UN forces were pushed back into the 38th parallel forcing them into an stalemate.
...and the fact that the commander, Douglas MacArthur, was trying to supersede the authority of the President of the US didn't help their side either.
Yes, you must be relying on CCP propaganda instead of history. Different sources indeed.
Here, from wiki:

The Korean War begins (June 1950)
In the first half of 1950, Kim Il-sung travelled to Moscow and Beijing to secure support reunification with the South by force. The Soviet military became extensively involved in North Korea's war planning.[87][88][89][90] There are differing accounts of the degree of Soviet support, ranging from support if the North was attacked,[91] to approval,[92][93] to actually initiating the war.[88] Similarly, some accounts indicate that Chinese support was stronger than Soviet support,[94] and some say it was reluctant.[90]
Declassified documents from the Soviet Foreign Ministry and Presidential Archives now show a much clearer, but complex picture of the interactions between Kim, Soviet leader Josef Stalin, and Chinese leader Mao Zedong regarding the decision to invade South Korea.[95][96][97] By 1949, South Korean forces had reduced the active number of communist guerrillas in the South from 5,000 to 1,000. However, Kim Il-Sung believed that the guerrillas had weakened the South Korean military and that a North Korean invasion would be welcomed by much of the South Korean population. Kim began seeking Stalin's support for an invasion in March 1949.[98]
Initially, Stalin did not think the time was right for a war in Korea.[99] Chinese Communist forces still were fighting in China. American forces were still stationed in South Korea (they would complete their withdrawal in June 1949) and Stalin did not want the Soviet Union to become embroiled in a war with the US.[99] But by 1950, Stalin believed the strategic situation had changed. The Soviets had detonated their first nuclear bomb in September 1949; Americans had fully withdrawn from Korea; the Americans had not intervened to stop the communist victory in China, and Stalin calculated that the Americans would be even less willing to fight in Korea - which had seemingly much less strategic significance.[100] Stalin began a more aggressive strategy in Asia based on these developments, including promising economic and military aid to China through the Sino-Soviet Friendship, Alliance, and Mutual Assistance Treaty.[101]
...
PLA Kill ONLY Chinese

Surrey, Canada

#34 Nov 19, 2013
...
Throughout 1949 and 1950 the Soviets continued to arm North Korea. After the Communist victory in China, ethnic Korean units in the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) were released to North Korea.[102] The combat experienced veterans from China, the tanks, artillery and aircraft supplied by the Soviets, and rigorous training increased North Korea's military superiority over the South, who had been armed by the American military.[103]
In April 1950, Stalin gave Kim permission to invade the South under the condition that Mao would agree to send reinforcements if they became needed. Stalin made it clear that Soviet forces would not directly engage in combat to avoid a war with the Americans.[104] Kim met with Mao in May 1950. Mao was concerned that the Americans would intervene but agreed to support the North Korean invasion. China desperately needed the economic and military aid promised by the Soviets. At that time, the Chinese were in the process of demobilizing half of the PLA's 5.6 million soldiers.[105] However, Mao sent more ethnic Korean PLA veterans to Korea and promised to move an Army closer to the Korean border.[106] Once Mao's commitment was secured, preparations for war accelerated.[107][108]
Soviet generals who had extensive combat experience in WWII were sent to the Soviet Advisory Group in North Korea. These generals completed plans for the attack by May.[109] The original plans were to start with a skirmish in the Ongjin peninsula on the west coast of Korea. The North Koreans would then launch a "counterattack" that would capture Seoul and encircle and destroy the South Korean army. The final stage would involve destroying South Korean government remnants, capturing the rest of the South Korea, including the ports.[110]
Eduardo

Durango, Mexico

#35 Nov 19, 2013
My sources are Wikipedia, which I suppose is the one you are using too.

You admitted yourself that South Korea was invaded by battle hardened Koreans which were defeating the less experienced South Korean forces. USA intervenes led by a madman which was willing to let the war in Korea escalate into a Nuclear War and refused to obey his own president. MacArthur's forces cross the partition line and he brags about the possibility of going all the way to China and taking them down too. That's when China sends their own forces and they push the USA-led forces all the way to the parallel 38th.

Since up to that point China was only giving logistic support and not actually fighting why do you say that it was them who were pushed back by the US-led forces?

You also didn't reply to my assertion that South Korea wasn't free at that point, it had an authoritarian regime. Many anti-communists refuse to acknowledge that USA was overthrowing communism regimes but it wasn't replacing them with democracies, that was an hypocrisy but a pragmatical move: democracies are loyal to their constituents not to world powers, so they couldn't get as much support from them when needed.
PLA Kill ONLY Chinese

Surrey, Canada

#36 Nov 19, 2013
"Throughout 1949 and 1950 the Soviets continued to arm North Korea. After the Communist victory in China, ethnic Korean units in the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) were released to North Korea.[102] The combat experienced veterans from China, the tanks, artillery and aircraft supplied by the Soviets, and rigorous training increased North Korea's military superiority over the South, who had been armed by the American military.[103]
In April 1950, Stalin gave Kim permission to invade the South under the condition that Mao would agree to send reinforcements if they became needed."

Had trouble understanding that passage, did you "Eduardo"?

As to how free South Korea was when under military occupation, the answer is obvious.

So, how do you think a FREE ELECTION in ALL OF KOREA would end TODAY?

THEN?

Exactly.
Eduardo

Durango, Mexico

#37 Nov 19, 2013
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_war

UN forces cross partition line (September – October 1950)

China intervenes (October – December 1950)

Fighting around the 38th parallel (January – June 1951)

Stalemate (July 1951 – July 1953)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_MacArthu...

Within weeks of the Chinese attack, MacArthur was forced to retreat from North Korea.[271] Seoul fell in January 1951, and both Truman and MacArthur were forced to contemplate the prospect of abandoning Korea entirely.[272] European countries did not share MacArthur's world view, distrusted his judgement, and were afraid that he might use his stature and influence with the American public to re-focus American policy away from Europe and towards Asia. They were concerned that this might lead to a major war with China, possibly involving nuclear weapons.[273] In a visit to the United States in December 1950, the British prime minister, Clement Attlee, had raised the fears of the British and other European governments that "General MacArthur was running the show."[274]
Under Ridgway's command, the Eighth Army pressed north again in January. He inflicted heavy casualties on the Chinese,[275] recaptured Seoul in March 1951, and pushed on to the 38th Parallel.[276] With the improved military situation, Truman now saw the opportunity to offer a negotiated peace but, on 24 March, MacArthur called upon China to admit that it had been defeated, simultaneously challenging both the Chinese and his own superiors. Truman's proposed announcement was shelved.[277]
Eduardo

Durango, Mexico

#38 Nov 19, 2013
I didn't understand the last part, you'll have to re-word it.

And no, I am not Chinese or work for the CCP. You could say I am a sympathizer of China as a major power regardless of whether they are under CCP or not but that's pretty much it.
China HUMILIATED by CCP

Surrey, Canada

#39 Nov 19, 2013
You didn't understand or you refuse to?

Quite obviously the Korean War was a communist war of conquest (USSR, DPRK, CCP China attacking South Korea) which failed. Get it now?

So, how do you think a FREE ELECTION in ALL OF KOREA would end TODAY?

THEN?

Exactly.
PLA Kill ONLY Chinese

Surrey, Canada

#40 Nov 19, 2013
"Throughout 1949 and 1950 the Soviets continued to arm North Korea. After the Communist victory in China, ethnic Korean units in the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) were released to North Korea.[102] The combat experienced veterans from China, the tanks, artillery and aircraft supplied by the Soviets, and rigorous training increased North Korea's military superiority over the South, who had been armed by the American military.[103]
In April 1950, Stalin gave Kim permission to invade the South under the condition that Mao would agree to send reinforcements if they became needed."

What part of that exactly is difficult to understand? Seems quite clear.
Eduardo

Durango, Mexico

#41 Nov 19, 2013
PLA Kill ONLY Chinese wrote:
What part of that exactly is difficult to understand? Seems quite clear.
this last part:

"how do you think a FREE ELECTION in ALL OF KOREA would end TODAY?

THEN?

Exactly."

And again you speak of ethnic Koreans and sending weapons that's what you are trying to count as "fighting"?

I guess Mexico fought in the Spanish Civil War then? I mean instead of just "supporting".

Let go back to what you first stated that's according to you the China the UN defeated, right? not the actual Chinese sent to fight there an pushing USA to the partition line.
PLA Only Kill CHINESE

Surrey, Canada

#43 Nov 19, 2013
Eduardo wrote:
<quoted text>
this last part:
"how do you think a FREE ELECTION in ALL OF KOREA would end TODAY?
THEN?
Exactly."
And again you speak of ethnic Koreans and sending weapons that's what you are trying to count as "fighting"?
I guess Mexico fought in the Spanish Civil War then? I mean instead of just "supporting".
Let go back to what you first stated that's according to you the China the UN defeated, right? not the actual Chinese sent to fight there an pushing USA to the partition line.
So you are trying to say "CCP China never sent any troops into Korea?

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

Here: "Immediately on his return to Beijing (from Moscow) on 18 October 1950, Zhou met with Mao Zedong, Peng Dehuai, and Gao Gang, and the group ordered two hundred thousand Chinese troops to enter North Korea, which they did on 25 October."

Read on and you will learn how more than 700,000 Chinese regular troops invaded Korea.

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