China can only copy from the West

[Diaoyou robber]

What China should do are
1Think big not think small
2 patriotic. Buying made in China
3 nation is first
4 provide economic study to all Chinese
5 study hard and research
6 transform food industry and cuishine to lure tourist in Chinese foods
7 smart phone to get more market share
8 upgrade military technology to the utmost
9 transform car technology
10 brighten Olympic mathematic to software and engineering
11 to gain from deposit foreign reserve
12 diminish the value of US Dallars to gold in step when gold prize lie

[Drgunzet]

LATIN ASIA AFRO MID EAST wrote:

ADD If you did more research on China, survived for over 5000 years as an NAtion not like fall of great Empires of the west (due to corruption, greed, overextending nation building, war mongering): Fall of Ancient Rome, to modern day Fall of Great Britain, nazi germany , Wiemer Republic... So?

Wrong, China did NOT survived for over 5000 years as a nation. China was wiped out and totally erased twice. The Mongols destroyed the Song, and took China in as part of the Mongolian empire. Then later on the Manchurian again destroyed and wiped out the China's Ming.

Just like cockroaches, you can wipe out the cockroach nations but the roaches are every where. You cannot destroy all the roaches if you have billions or zillions of them. Some day you will have the roach nations again, and perhaps the roaches will inherit the earth.

Roaches are very hardy. You used roaches to test against the radiation leaks, chemical spills. If the roaches die, you know THERE IS A PROBLEM.

I prefer the superior Whites to inherit the world, just like it has been portrayed in Star Trek.

[RESISTANCE IS FUTILE]

China Shows Off World’s First Anti-Carrier Ballistic Missile ...
www.asianweek.com/2010/12/29/chinas-df-21d-an... ...
and high speed aerodynamics (the foundation of space technology ... the US cannot attack China with immunity like in the korean war ... Hitting a bullet with a bullet is an

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[RESISTANCE IS FUTILE]

China’s test of a sophisticated anti-satellite (ASAT) weapon a year ago, Friday — 11 January 2007, when it shot down its own obsolete weather satellite

The interception was almost head on at a combined speed of almost 18,000 miles per hour.

The pieces of debris wound up with the greatest speeds—much higher than the original satellite.

This means that China accomplished the most sophisticated of space maneuvers: a hit-to-kill interception, the equivalent of hitting a bullet with a bullet.

This is equivalent to what the US is trying to develop in its national missile defense system

and is much more sophisticated than the ASAT the Soviet Union was working in the 1980s:

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2008/01/insid...

[Tasmaniac]

LATIN ASIA AFRO MID EAST wrote:

ADD If you did more research on China, survived for over 5000 years as an NAtion not like fall of great Empires of the west (due to corruption, greed, overextending nation building, war mongering): Fall of Ancient Rome, to modern day Fall of Great Britain, nazi germany , Wiemer Republic... So?

Japan was set to conquer china. If it wasn't for us, China would have ended up a Japanese colony like Korea.

[Tasmaniac]

Diaoyou robber wrote:

What China should do are
1Think big not think small
2 patriotic. Buying made in China
3 nation is first
4 provide economic study to all Chinese
5 study hard and research
6 transform food industry and cuishine to lure tourist in Chinese foods
7 smart phone to get more market share
8 upgrade military technology to the utmost
9 transform car technology
10 brighten Olympic mathematic to software and engineering
11 to gain from deposit foreign reserve
12 diminish the value of US Dallars to gold in step when gold prize lie

Maybe we should all buy locally made stuff. What would happen then? China would only be growing rice again..

[Tasmaniac]

RESISTANCE IS FUTILE wrote:

China Shows Off WorldÂ’s First Anti-Carrier Ballistic Missile ...
www.asianweek.com/2010/12/29/chinas-df-21d-an... ...
and high speed aerodynamics (the foundation of space technology ... the US cannot attack China with immunity like in the korean war ... Hitting a bullet with a bullet is an

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And what's the range of those missiles dumbass? The US can sit in the pacific and use Japan, Korea, singapore, Vietnam, The Philippines, Malaysia and Taiwan as a forward base to attack china.

[RESISTANCE IS FUTILE]

Tasmaniac wrote:

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Maybe we should all buy locally made stuff. What would happen then? China would only be growing rice again..

and you would be back to raping and prostituting like your ancestors did...

dummy to stupid to know your economy is more dependant on China than ever these days

[RESISTANCE IS FUTILE]

Tasmaniac wrote:

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And what's the range of those missiles dumbass? The US can sit in the pacific and use Japan, Korea, singapore, Vietnam, The Philippines, Malaysia and Taiwan as a forward base to attack china.

This Week at War: An Arms Race America Can’t Win

For the two decades beyond 2020, the U.S. Navy's shipbuilding plan projects no increase in the number of major warships. China's long-range shipbuilding plans are unknown; however, its defense budget has increased at an 11.8 percent compound annual rate, after inflation, between 2000 and 2012, with no indications of any changes to that trend.

Of course, counting ships does not tell the whole story. Even more critical are the missions assigned to these ships and the conditions under which they will fight. In a hypothetical conflict between the United States and China for control of the South and East China Seas, the continental power would enjoy substantial structural advantages over U.S. forces.

China, for instance, would be able to use its land-based air power, located at many dispersed and hardened bases, against naval targets. The ONI forecasts China's inventory of maritime strike aircraft rising from 145 in 2009 to 348 by 2020.

U.S. land-based air power in the Western Pacific operates from just a few bases, which are vulnerable to missile attack from China

(the Cold War-era Intermediate Nuclear Forces Treaty prevents the United States from developing theater-based surface-to-surface missiles with ranges sufficient to put Chinese bases at risk).

A comparison of ship counts similarly does not include China's land-based anti-ship cruise missiles, fired from mobile truck launchers.

Nor does it account for China's fleet of coastal patrol boats, also armed with anti-ship cruise missiles.

The Air-Sea Battle concept began as an effort to improve staff coordination and planning between the Navy and the Air Force in an effort to address the structural disadvantages these forces would have when going up against a well-armed continental power like China. The concept is about creating operational synergies between the services. An example of this synergy occurred in last year's campaign against Libya, when U.S. Navy cruise missiles destroyed Libya's air defense system, clearing the way for the U.S. Air Force to operate freely over the country.

But Air-Sea Battle still faces enormous challenges in overcoming the "home court" advantage a continental power enjoys deploying its missile forces from hidden, dispersed, and hardened sites. In addition, the United States faces a steep "marginal cost" problem with an opponent like China; additional defenses for U.S. ships are more expensive than additional Chinese missiles. And China can acquire hundreds or even thousands of missiles for the cost of one major U.S. warship.

Given these structural weaknesses, Air-Sea Battle's success will rely not on endlessly parrying the enemy's missiles, but striking deeply at the adversary's command posts, communications networks, reconnaissance systems, and basing hubs in order to prevent missiles from being launched in the first place. Such strikes would mean attacks on space systems, computer networks, and infrastructure, with implications for the broader civilian economy and society.

Some critics of Air-Sea Battle reason that raising the stakes in this manner would make terminating a conflict much more difficult and would escalate the conflict into domains -- such as space and cyber -- that are particular vulnerabilities for the United States.

The United States won't be able to win an arms race against China and currently has no plans to do so. Nor can the Pentagon count on superior military technology; China already has impressive scientific and engineering capabilities, which are only getting better.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/americas/186060-...

[RESISTANCE IS FUTILE]

land-based air power in the Western Pacific operates from just a few bases, which are vulnerable to missile attack from China

(the Cold War-era Intermediate Nuclear Forces Treaty prevents the United States from developing theater-based surface-to-surface missiles with ranges sufficient to put Chinese bases at risk)

www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/06/08/thi... ...

[RESISTANCE IS FUTILE]

The uninvited guest: Chinese sub pops up in middle of U.S. Navy exercise, leaving military chiefs red-faced
By MATTHEW HICKLEY
Last updated at 00:13 10 November 2007

When the U.S. Navy deploys a battle fleet on exercises, it takes the security of its aircraft carriers very seriously indeed.

At least a dozen warships provide a physical guard while the technical wizardry of the world's only military superpower offers an invisible shield to detect and deter any intruders.

That is the theory. Or, rather, was the theory.

Uninvited guest: A Chinese Song Class submarine, like the one that sufaced by the U.S.S. Kitty Hawk

American military chiefs have been left dumbstruck by an undetected Chinese submarine popping up at the heart of a recent Pacific exercise and close to the vast U.S.S. Kitty Hawk - a 1,000ft supercarrier with 4,500 personnel on board.

By the time it surfaced the 160ft Song Class diesel-electric attack submarine is understood to have sailed within viable range for launching torpedoes or missiles at the carrier.

According to senior Nato officials the incident caused consternation in the U.S. Navy.

The Americans had no idea China's fast-growing submarine fleet had reached such a level of sophistication, or that it posed such a threat.
One Nato figure said the effect was "as big a shock as the Russians launching Sputnik" - a reference to the Soviet Union's first orbiting satellite in 1957 which marked the start of the space age.

The incident, which took place in the ocean between southern Japan and Taiwan, is a major embarrassment for the Pentagon.

Battle stations: The Kitty Hawk carries 4,500 personnel

And the rest of the costly defensive screen, which usually includes at least two U.S. submarines, was also apparently unable to detect it.

According to the Nato source, the encounter has forced a serious re-think of American and Nato naval strategy as commanders reconsider the level of threat from potentially hostile Chinese submarines.

It also led to tense diplomatic exchanges, with shaken American diplomats demanding to know why the submarine was "shadowing" the U.S. fleet while Beijing pleaded ignorance and dismissed the affair as coincidence.

Analysts believe Beijing was sending a message to America and the West demonstrating its rapidly-growing military capability to threaten foreign powers which try to interfere in its "backyard".

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-49280...
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Eric J. WeinerFinancial journalist and author
Posted: October 6, 2010 02:27 PM

Can Anyone Talk to China Anymore? Probably Not
Can anyone talk to China anymore?

It's an increasingly important question for the United States and the rest of the world to ponder as the emerging giant asserts itself globally.

The House voted overwhelmingly last week to give President Obama sweeping authority to impose steep tariffs on Chinese imports. The move was aimed at retaliating against Beijing's monetary policy, which essentially keeps the value of the nation's currency artificially low so Chinese manufacturers can dump cheap exports on developed economies.

Whether the Senate will go along with the plan is still open to debate. But it's probably more pertinent to ask exactly what China would do if the U.S. actually did slap harsh tariffs on its goods? Based on China's recent behavior, any rash moves along those lines could trigger a deeply bitter reaction and possibly an outright trade war that, frighteningly, the U.S. would not win.

Consider that before the president's appearance in front of the U.N. General Assembly in September he had a two-hour meeting with Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao, in which he basically demanded that China stop manipulating its currency. China's response? Ho-hum. Precisely how much money do you owe us again?

Meanwhile, on the other side of the globe, Japanese manufacturing companies suddenly discovered that they'd been cut off from the rare earth minerals that they require to make high-tech products such as computers and cell phones as well as energy-efficient items like wind turbines and hybrid cars. What happened to Japan's rare earth imports? According to the Japanese government, China, which controls 93% of the global rare earth supply, decided to block shipments to Japan to score points in a diplomatic dispute. A few weeks earlier a Chinese fishing boat in Japanese waters crashed into a couple of Japanese coast guard ships. Japan seized the boat and arrested the captain. In response, China promptly detained four Japanese employees of Fujita Corp. on suspicion of filming a restricted military area in northern China.

So Japan proposed an exchange: the fishing boat captain in return for the four arrested Japanese citizens. But Japanese government officials say China balked and then, in an awesome display of economic power, simply cut off its rare earth shipments to Japan. The Chinese government denied the accusations, but true or not, Japan suddenly found itself in an unwanted trade war with its biggest trading partner. Through the first half of this year alone, China had bought $20 billion of Japanese government bonds and Chinese companies had invested roughly $120 million in Japanese businesses. This provided a needed boost to Japan's sagging economy.

Sensing the coming heat, the Japanese government acquiesced and freed the fishing boat captain on Sept. 24 with no strings attached. Only then did Beijing's rare earth minerals showdown ease. And last week, China released three of the Fujita employees it was holding. However, one Japanese citizen still remains in a Chinese prison cell, a bargaining chip for a later negotiation.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-j-weiner/c...

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Why would China so brazenly challenge the world's economic powers like this?

Because the country's leaders know what our leaders are only beginning to understand -- that China would probably win a global trade war.

In March 2009, the Pentagon for the first time held a series of economic war games exercises.

The soldiers were Wall Street traders and executives, economists and academics.

The weapons were stocks, bonds and currencies.

The participants were divided into teams: the U.S., China, Russia, Japan, the European Union and so on.

Then the teams were presented with different scenarios -- North Korea is imploding, a major global economy is melting down -- and told to do what was in their best interests.

Our intelligence experts watched as the economic conflicts played out.

What the exercises showed was that the U.S. consistently lost to China in economic warfare.

Part of the reason was that the U.S. could be easily distracted by expensive side conflicts that sapped our economic strength.

But the more important reason was that China could inflict real pain on the U.S. without feeling it at home.

For instance, by simply moving the maturities of some of its $850 billion in Treasury holdings from 90 days to 60 days, it could cause chaos in the U.S. stock markets.

Or China could sell just a trickle of its U.S. financial assets and signal that it didn't have confidence in the U.S. economy, setting off a panic here.

The overall lesson from the exercise was that, for all of our saber-rattling, in our weakened economic state we have to be careful about poking this dragon.

And what's more, everyone involved knows it.

So returning to the original question: Can anyone talk to China anymore?

Sadly, for the time being it appears the answer is no.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-j-weiner/c ...

[Tasmaniac]

America doesn't need to increase their military. It's by far the biggest and most advanced in the world. When combined with all the other western countries, it's amazingly big and powerful.
Remember, the US can use Japan, Korea, Taiwan, the Philippines, Guam, Singapore, Malaysia, Thailand and probably Vietnam. No forward bases you say? You're surrounded..

[UiidotRaceMAKEWO RLDPEACE]

Drgunzet wrote:

<quoted text>
Wrong, China did NOT survived for over 5000 years as a nation. China was wiped out and totally erased twice. The Mongols destroyed the Song, and took China in as part of the Mongolian empire. Then later on the Manchurian again destroyed and wiped out the China's Ming.
Just like cockroaches, you can wipe out the cockroach nations but the roaches are every where. You cannot destroy all the roaches if you have billions or zillions of them. Some day you will have the roach nations again, and perhaps the roaches will inherit the earth.
Roaches are very hardy. You used roaches to test against the radiation leaks, chemical spills. If the roaches die, you know THERE IS A PROBLEM.
I prefer the superior Whites to inherit the world, just like it has been portrayed in Star Trek.

But you wrong China , the HAN people as nation still at helm, because ruled within the Asia Continent by Asian genes whether it Mongol, Manchu, koreans... and 90% are Han people with Asia Continent!

Soon or later they run over ,..you have pale Troglodyte are be wiped out because can not reproduce effectively in quantities .... and are intermingled with other races . BWHHAHAHHHAA

But the world will decide who decide who will rule. BWHAHHAHHAHAAA

[UiidotRaceMAKEWO RLDPEACE]

Tasmaniac wrote:

America doesn't need to increase their military. It's by far the biggest and most advanced in the world. When combined with all the other western countries, it's amazingly big and powerful.
Remember, the US can use Japan, Korea, Taiwan, the Philippines, Guam, Singapore, Malaysia, Thailand and probably Vietnam. No forward bases you say? You're surrounded..

US a Militaristic Interventionist Imperialsitic bully with over 700 to 1000 US military bases worldwide and with biggest NAVAL force spanning 7 seas, and with most money spend on arms/weapons, no nations can compare, and many nations beginning distrust US for HArd Power and to USe Deception and Dupilicity in it PNAC aagendas and for it global Hegemony aspirations...your own demise!

[UiidotRaceMAKEWO RLDPEACE]

RESISTANCE IS FUTILE wrote:

Why would China so brazenly challenge the world's economic powers like this?
Because the country's leaders know what our leaders are only beginning to understand -- that China would probably win a global trade war.
In March 2009, the Pentagon for the first time held a series of economic war games exercises.
The soldiers were Wall Street traders and executives, economists and academics.
The weapons were stocks, bonds and currencies.
The participants were divided into teams: the U.S., China, Russia, Japan, the European Union and so on.
Then the teams were presented with different scenarios -- North Korea is imploding, a major global economy is melting down -- and told to do what was in their best interests.
Our intelligence experts watched as the economic conflicts played out.
What the exercises showed was that the U.S. consistently lost to China in economic warfare.
Part of the reason was that the U.S. could be easily distracted by expensive side conflicts that sapped our economic strength.
But the more important reason was that China could inflict real pain on the U.S. without feeling it at home.
For instance, by simply moving the maturities of some of its $850 billion in Treasury holdings from 90 days to 60 days, it could cause chaos in the U.S. stock markets.
Or China could sell just a trickle of its U.S. financial assets and signal that it didn't have confidence in the U.S. economy, setting off a panic here.
The overall lesson from the exercise was that, for all of our saber-rattling, in our weakened economic state we have to be careful about poking this dragon.
And what's more, everyone involved knows it.
So returning to the original question: Can anyone talk to China anymore?
Sadly, for the time being it appears the answer is no.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-j-weiner/c ...

By doing thst , as the US fed/wall street Govt global macroeconomic wars also effect, is really also a war and Coup d'ete on AMericans economic and Financial well being and nations around the world also Complaining what US is doing to thier economies, and even it US allies like Japan, India, philippine ect complained what US is doing to its economies.

[ASIA AFRO LATIN MID EAST]

Chinese should do wrote:

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US/West/Japan (not the same in old days) or any other democratic country fights for democracy, freedom and justice around the world. That it was an enemy is only located in the bad guy's evil head like you and used for exploitation/provocation of the Chinese nationalism.
US/West is bad! Why er there so many Chinese who want to come there to study, work and/or live ?
By the way, you are wrong about China age. Not 5000 years as you mentioned. China was born for just only about 2200 years ago when the evil Qin Shi Huang became it's first emperor.
China can be compared as a bandit. It can only survive by professional robbery/stealing. As I mentioned before Chinese steal everything by any means incl. having committed many genocides/crimes against humanity.
The mask has fallen. Everybody now can see clearly the bandit's true evil greedy face. The next turn will therefore be China that falls. It will/can not rise again at this time.

Wrong again , You just making it BS up as you go along, you don't even Know must about Asian History!

To start you of, if you look at Chinese Calender - year Date is 4710 - but if you converted to Western Years it be close to approx 5015 years of history. You better get educated , read more , you above post as most your facts are erroneous, go read more, no one gonna give you Asian History.

American/west greed and avarice, the bullying, plundering ,rapping , mass killings, stealing ...and the the genocidal wars and many perpetual overseas wars.. on the World are much worst than Other nations and China combined.

[ASIA AFRO LATIN MID EAST]

Add! And Now AMericans and other nations want to come and study, work ...in China, U moron, with pee-brain ! BWHAHAAHHHA HUH!

[Tasmaniac]

ASIA AFRO LATIN MID EAST wrote:

Add! And Now AMericans and other nations want to come and study, work ...in China, U moron, with pee-brain ! BWHAHAAHHHA HUH!

Work teaching english or something sure. But you won't get many studying there. No matter how much you wish that was true, it isn't..