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Tibet is part of China (US State Department document)

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Rong

Malaysia

#1 Sep 6, 2008
China did not invade Tibet.
Back in the 40s every sovereign nations at the time recognized Tibet as a part of China. They included USA, UK, USSR, India.
Then, in the 50s because of the Korean war (1950-1953) CIA accused China of invading Tibet.

[US State Department document]:
TESTIMONY BY
KENT M. WIEDEMANN
DEPUTY ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF STATE FOR EAST ASIAN AND PACIFIC AFFAIRS BEFORE
SUBCOMMITTEE ON EAST ASIAN AND PACIFIC AFFAIRS
SENATE FOREIGN RELATIONS COMMITTEE
September 7, 1995
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The United States considers the Tibet Autonomous Region or TAR (hereinafter referred to as "Tibet") as part of the People's Republic of China. This longstanding policy is consistent with the view of the entire international community, including all China's neighbors: no country recognizes Tibet as a sovereign state.
Moreover, U.S. acceptance of China's claim of sovereignty over Tibet predates the establishment of the People's Republic of China.

In 1942, we told the Nationalist Chinese government then headquartered in Chongqing (Chungking) that we had "at no time raised
(a) question" over Chinese claims to Tibet.
-------
Nippawn

Maple, Canada

#2 Sep 6, 2008
Wiedemann has a history of being a lobbyist for the Chinese govt. In the mid 90's the Jewish businesses also lobbied in support of China(being pro-Jewish) and some deputy assistant's testimony hardly reflects the position of the US govt.

The US govt has always recognized Tibet as occupied territory.
LOL

Laguna Niguel, CA

#3 Sep 6, 2008
Nippawn wrote:
Wiedemann has a history of being a lobbyist for the Chinese govt. In the mid 90's the Jewish businesses also lobbied in support of China(being pro-Jewish) and some deputy assistant's testimony hardly reflects the position of the US govt.
The US govt has always recognized Tibet as occupied territory.
Proof of this? Cause I think US has always a supporter of the one china policy.
old china

Chengdu, China

#4 Sep 6, 2008
LOL wrote:
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Proof of this? Cause I think US has always a supporter of the one china policy.
But still ships arms to Tiawan.
Leonard

Beaverton, OR

#5 Sep 6, 2008
Rong wrote:
China did not invade Tibet.
Back in the 40s every sovereign nations at the time recognized Tibet as a part of China. They included USA, UK, USSR, India.
Then, in the 50s because of the Korean war (1950-1953) CIA accused China of invading Tibet.
[US State Department document]:
TESTIMONY BY
KENT M. WIEDEMANN
DEPUTY ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF STATE FOR EAST ASIAN AND PACIFIC AFFAIRS BEFORE
SUBCOMMITTEE ON EAST ASIAN AND PACIFIC AFFAIRS
SENATE FOREIGN RELATIONS COMMITTEE
September 7, 1995
------
The United States considers the Tibet Autonomous Region or TAR (hereinafter referred to as "Tibet") as part of the People's Republic of China. This longstanding policy is consistent with the view of the entire international community, including all China's neighbors: no country recognizes Tibet as a sovereign state.
Moreover, U.S. acceptance of China's claim of sovereignty over Tibet predates the establishment of the People's Republic of China.
In 1942, we told the Nationalist Chinese government then headquartered in Chongqing (Chungking) that we had "at no time raised
(a) question" over Chinese claims to Tibet.
-------
China invaded Tibet.

Your denial of this truth is disgusting!

China's invasion caused so much misery and destruction. Your denial that this historical event occurred is very very sick!!

Some Japanese deny Japan raped Nanking--what do you think of that?
Rong

Malaysia

#6 Sep 7, 2008
Nippawn wrote:
Wiedemann has a history of being a lobbyist for the Chinese govt. In the mid 90's the Jewish businesses also lobbied in support of China(being pro-Jewish) and some deputy assistant's testimony hardly reflects the position of the US govt.
The US govt has always recognized Tibet as occupied territory.
KENT M. WIEDEMANN was speaking in his capacity as the Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for East Asian and Pacific Affairs of the United States.

If he lied he can be charged in court.

Most interesting was he said that "This longstanding policy is consistent with the view of the entire international community, including all China's neighbors: no country recognizes Tibet as a sovereign state."
Rong

Puchong, Malaysia

#7 Sep 8, 2008
Leonard wrote:
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China invaded Tibet.
Your denial of this truth is disgusting!
China did not invade Tibet.
It was because of the Korean war that US propaganda machines disguised as NGOs that started the propaganda war against China.
People like Leonard are not very bright to start with and easily brainwashed.lol

Since: Mar 08

Pompano Beach, FL

#8 Sep 8, 2008
Leonard wrote:
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China invaded Tibet.
Your denial of this truth is disgusting!
Your denial of Tibet as a part of China since 1792 is truly disgusting. It is recognized by international law and governments around the world.
Trevor Swistchew

Coatbridge, UK

#9 Sep 8, 2008
1950 China invade Tibet.
IF tibet was part of CHINA why did CHINA invade?
Leonard

Beaverton, OR

#10 Sep 8, 2008
Trevor Swistchew wrote:
1950 China invade Tibet.
IF tibet was part of CHINA why did CHINA invade?
Exactly correct!

Very very very basic stuff. China invades peaceful neighbor Tibet. Overwhelmingly documented fact and truth. Tibet is an ancient country going back so far like Mongolia, China, India, etc

Very very basic historical and geographical stuff. Wish people would take more time to study and look into it. People who don't this have been miseducated by commuist system so really are just victims themselves.

Since: Mar 08

Long Island City, NY

#11 Sep 8, 2008
Trevor Swistchew wrote:
1950 China invade Tibet.
IF tibet was part of CHINA why did CHINA invade?
Ever heard of the civil war? Ever heard of the communist revolution? 1949-1950 is where the communist revolution overthrow the nationalist all over China, including Tibet.
john

United States

#12 Sep 8, 2008
Rong wrote:
China did not invade Tibet.
Back in the 40s every sovereign nations at the time recognized Tibet as a part of China. They included USA, UK, USSR, India.
Then, in the 50s because of the Korean war (1950-1953) CIA accused China of invading Tibet.
[US State Department document]:
TESTIMONY BY
KENT M. WIEDEMANN
DEPUTY ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF STATE FOR EAST ASIAN AND PACIFIC AFFAIRS BEFORE
SUBCOMMITTEE ON EAST ASIAN AND PACIFIC AFFAIRS
SENATE FOREIGN RELATIONS COMMITTEE
September 7, 1995
------
The United States considers the Tibet Autonomous Region or TAR (hereinafter referred to as "Tibet") as part of the People's Republic of China. This longstanding policy is consistent with the view of the entire international community, including all China's neighbors: no country recognizes Tibet as a sovereign state.
Moreover, U.S. acceptance of China's claim of sovereignty over Tibet predates the establishment of the People's Republic of China.
In 1942, we told the Nationalist Chinese government then headquartered in Chongqing (Chungking) that we had "at no time raised
(a) question" over Chinese claims to Tibet.
-------
You think China didn't invade Tibet, then what you think of this:
&fe ature=related
Free Radical

Hattiesburg, MS

#13 Sep 8, 2008
Zsari wrote:
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Your denial of Tibet as a part of China since 1792 is truly disgusting. It is recognized by international law and governments around the world.
Actually Prof. Ge Jianxiong of Fudan University in Shanghai has demonstrated that Tibet was not an integral part of the Chinese empire under the Qing. So the 1792 claim is bogus.

Prof. Melvyn Goldstein has demonstrated that Tibet was "de facto" independent after the fall of the Qing, during the period of 1913-1949.

Therefore professional historians tell us that what happened in 1950 was not "civil war" but "invasion."
Free Radical

Hattiesburg, MS

#14 Sep 8, 2008
Rong wrote:
China did not invade Tibet.
Back in the 40s every sovereign nations at the time recognized Tibet as a part of China. They included USA, UK, USSR, India.
Then, in the 50s because of the Korean war (1950-1953) CIA accused China of invading Tibet.
[US State Department document]:
TESTIMONY BY
KENT M. WIEDEMANN
DEPUTY ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF STATE FOR EAST ASIAN AND PACIFIC AFFAIRS BEFORE
SUBCOMMITTEE ON EAST ASIAN AND PACIFIC AFFAIRS
SENATE FOREIGN RELATIONS COMMITTEE
September 7, 1995
------
The United States considers the Tibet Autonomous Region or TAR (hereinafter referred to as "Tibet") as part of the People's Republic of China. This longstanding policy is consistent with the view of the entire international community, including all China's neighbors: no country recognizes Tibet as a sovereign state.
Moreover, U.S. acceptance of China's claim of sovereignty over Tibet predates the establishment of the People's Republic of China.
In 1942, we told the Nationalist Chinese government then headquartered in Chongqing (Chungking) that we had "at no time raised
(a) question" over Chinese claims to Tibet.
-------
The history of US recognitions of Tibet is much more muddled than this.

But it doesn't matter what Wiedemann or the US thought or thinks. The Tibetan voice is the trump card. Many Tibetans felt independent in 1950.

And, most important, many Tibetans want at least meaningful autonomy now. 1942 does not matter because it is in the past. What matters is what Tibetans want NOW.
Leonard

Beaverton, OR

#15 Sep 8, 2008
john wrote:
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You think China didn't invade Tibet, then what you think of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =CqYAKW-njqgXX&feature=rel ated
Yes thank you!! I already know ALL of this.

The indoctrinated CCP types are really weird (and scary) in that they deny all of this.
Leonard

Beaverton, OR

#16 Sep 8, 2008
Free Radical wrote:
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Actually Prof. Ge Jianxiong of Fudan University in Shanghai has demonstrated that Tibet was not an integral part of the Chinese empire under the Qing. So the 1792 claim is bogus.
Prof. Melvyn Goldstein has demonstrated that Tibet was "de facto" independent after the fall of the Qing, during the period of 1913-1949.
Therefore professional historians tell us that what happened in 1950 was not "civil war" but "invasion."
look also at:

International Commission of Jurists Report on:
The Question of Tibet
The rule of Law
Geneva, 1959

this was a commission of legal experts on this issue and they very clearly found in favor of Tibet.
Rong

Penang, Malaysia

#17 Sep 9, 2008
Free Radical wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually Prof. Ge Jianxiong of Fudan University in Shanghai has demonstrated that Tibet was not an integral part of the Chinese empire under the Qing. So the 1792 claim is bogus.
Prof. Melvyn Goldstein has demonstrated that Tibet was "de facto" independent after the fall of the Qing, during the period of 1913-1949.
Therefore professional historians tell us that what happened in 1950 was not "civil war" but "invasion."
No actually he said Tibet was not part China during the Tang dynasty which was around AD 600.
Tibet became part of China around 1270
Rong

Penang, Malaysia

#18 Sep 9, 2008
Free Radical wrote:
<quoted text>
The history of US recognitions of Tibet is much more muddled than this.
But it doesn't matter what Wiedemann or the US thought or thinks. The Tibetan voice is the trump card. Many Tibetans felt independent in 1950.
And, most important, many Tibetans want at least meaningful autonomy now. 1942 does not matter because it is in the past. What matters is what Tibetans want NOW.
The fact is Tibet has been part of China recognized by the international community.
CIA funded a separatist movement to sabotage China and patriotic Americans and thier British ally think that it is their national duty to foul mouth China.
Rong

Penang, Malaysia

#19 Sep 9, 2008
Leonard wrote:
<quoted text>
look also at:
International Commission of Jurists Report on:
The Question of Tibet
The rule of Law
Geneva, 1959
this was a commission of legal experts on this issue and they very clearly found in favor of Tibet.
Good that you brought this up.
The Watergate investigation accidentally exposed that International Commission of Jurists is a CIA operaative.
Rong

Penang, Malaysia

#21 Sep 9, 2008
john wrote:
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You think China didn't invade Tibet, then what you think of this
Please explain more clearly ur points.
It is just a salad old photos put together.
The author tried to cleansed any trace of CIA involvement in Tibet.
Actually i find a few of the the old photos very interesting.
One of them showed the local Tibetans helping the PLA soldier cross the Jinsha Jiang (river) that must be 1950. When the PLA arrived on the East bank of the Jinsha River they had problem crossing it. The local Tibetans made those rafts out of goat skin and helped the PLA cross the Jinsha River.
Another photo showed the Dalai Lama and Panchen Lama sitting down with PM of India. That was around 1953. The Dalai Lama and Panchen Lama represented China at the birthday celebration of the Lord Buddha in India. CIA approached the Dalai Lama through his brothers.CIA Promised to pay them to defect. The Panchen Lama was against it. Both eventually returned to China.

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