South China Sea Ancient Fishing Grounds

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Ancient ASEAN fishermen

Bagumbayan, Philippines

#1 Nov 29, 2012
The South China Sea is the traditional, ancient or prehistoric fishing grounds of the ancient South East Asian fishermen especially the waters nearby their lands.
RayH

Shenzhen, China

#2 Nov 29, 2012
Ancient ASEAN fishermen wrote:
The South China Sea is the traditional, ancient or prehistoric fishing grounds of the ancient South East Asian fishermen especially the waters nearby their lands.
Same for Chinese.
Ancient ASEAN fishermen

Bagumbayan, Philippines

#3 Nov 29, 2012
RayH wrote:
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Same for Chinese.
Only very later when they invented sailing ships.
RayH

Shenzhen, China

#4 Nov 29, 2012
Ancient ASEAN fishermen wrote:
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Only very later when they invented sailing ships.
3,000 years ago.
Ancient ASEAN fishermen

Philippines

#5 Nov 29, 2012
RayH wrote:
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3,000 years ago.
It means that the ancient south east asian fishermen fished in their nearby waters even centuries before that. Around 6,000 to 10,000 years ago or even more.
attila the Han

Australia

#6 Nov 29, 2012
just get your feet off scarborough shoal pinoys.
Ancient ASEAN fishermen

Bagumbayan, Philippines

#7 Nov 29, 2012
attila the Han wrote:
just get your feet off scarborough shoal pinoys.
But according to UNCLOS it is ours. And like I said we found it first 23,000 years ago.
RayH

Shenzhen, China

#8 Nov 29, 2012
Ancient ASEAN fishermen wrote:
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It means that the ancient south east asian fishermen fished in their nearby waters even centuries before that. Around 6,000 to 10,000 years ago or even more.
China was already a country 4,700 years ago. You 67 years ago.
Nimo

Edmonton, Canada

#9 Nov 29, 2012
Ancient ASEAN fishermen wrote:
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It means that the ancient south east asian fishermen fished in their nearby waters even centuries before that. Around 6,000 to 10,000 years ago or even more.
What are pinoys doing? It is stupid to make such empty meaningless statements which won't help them in any way.

That is a blatant statement to tell people that everything is "mine" without the intention to provide more concrete evidence.

Stupid move, stupid talk!
Ancient ASEAN fishermen

Bagumbayan, Philippines

#10 Nov 29, 2012
RayH wrote:
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China was already a country 4,700 years ago. You 67 years ago.
An ancient tribal community is a nation too no matter how small, simple or primitive the community itself and its type of government. They have their own territories too like traditional hunting and fishing grounds. When the Philippines was created, the traditional hunting and fishing grounds of the tribal communities was incorporated or became part of the Philippines as well.
Ancient ASEAN fishermen

Bagumbayan, Philippines

#11 Nov 29, 2012
Nimo wrote:
<quoted text>What are pinoys doing? It is stupid to make such empty meaningless statements which won't help them in any way.
That is a blatant statement to tell people that everything is "mine" without the intention to provide more concrete evidence.
Stupid move, stupid talk!
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that seafaring societies such as the ancient south east asians are regular fishermen and are master explorers and discoverers of vast oceans and its various features. That's why our ancestors arrived in the south east asian archipelagos 23,000 years ago.
Ancient ASEAN fishermen

Bagumbayan, Philippines

#12 Nov 29, 2012
Or it's not far fetched to say that ancient people who live on tropical islands or by the sea are regular fishermen too and are frequent explorers and discoverers of the high seas.
Ancient ASEAN fishermen

Philippines

#14 Nov 29, 2012
Ancient ASEAN fishermen wrote:
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An ancient tribal community is a nation too no matter how small, simple or primitive the community itself and its type of government. They have their own territories too like traditional hunting and fishing grounds. When the Philippines was created, the traditional hunting and fishing grounds of the tribal communities was incorporated or became part of the Philippines as well.
In fact, China even later traded with these small communities all over the south east asian archipelagos. Sent traders, ambassadors, I think even chinese women to be married to the tribal leaders. It means that the Chinese recognizes these small tropical communities throughout the south east asian archipelagos. China early on politically respects these small, simple and primitive governments.
Nimo

Edmonton, Canada

#15 Nov 29, 2012
How do you deal with Vietnam which has occupied islands so close to your coast?

Bring them to court?

This kind of problem is always difficult to resolve!
Ancient ASEAN fishermen

Bagumbayan, Philippines

#16 Nov 29, 2012
Nimo wrote:
How do you deal with Vietnam which has occupied islands so close to your coast?
Bring them to court?
This kind of problem is always difficult to resolve!
Why not? It's very important to assert your lawful rights.

“China, follow Internat'l Law!”

Since: Jun 12

United States of America

#18 Nov 29, 2012
RayH wrote:
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Same for Chinese.
The Chinese were LATE COMERS TO THE SOUTH CHINA SEA

ACCORDING TO HISTORY BOOKS BACKED BY SCIENCE ACCEPTED WORLDWIDE.

The Austronesians discovered the south china THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO BEFORE THE CHINESE LEARNED SEA NAVIGATION.

“China, follow Internat'l Law!”

Since: Jun 12

United States of America

#19 Nov 29, 2012
RayH wrote:
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3,000 years ago.
1. Animated Gif presentation of the various Chinese Dynasties showing their respected borders:

http://postimage.org/image/hdyhza9or/

Hainan is their Southernmost Territory throughout their history.

Spratly and Scarborough were NEVER part of their territories!

2. Austronesian Lands: Taiwan (until the 16th Century), Vietnam (until 1832), The Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia, Singapore, Brunei, Timor, Parts of Thailand and Cambodia, Madagascar, and MOST PACIFIC ISLANDS.

Modern Austronesian Speaking Places
http://i46.tinypic.com/5be338.jpg

*Note the AUSTRONESIANS are the ancestors of MODERN day Filipinos, Malaysians and Indonesians.

“China, follow Internat'l Law!”

Since: Jun 12

United States of America

#20 Nov 29, 2012
attila the Han wrote:
just get your feet off scarborough shoal pinoys.
THE CHINESE WERE LATE COMERS TO THE SOUTH CHINA SEA

An Article from YALE UNIVERSITY

LINK: http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/content/chinese-hi...

As for claims to the South China Sea and its islands (referring to China) based on visits by fishermen ignore the fact that commerce in that sea, and into and across the Indian Ocean was run by Malay vessels and crews hundreds of years before Chinese mariners and merchants ventured far from their coast. Chinese Buddhist pilgrims to Sri Lanka went on Malay boats via Java or Sumatra. Nearly two thousand years ago Roman merchants brought spice island products from southern India whence they had been brought by Malay and Indian sailors. At much the same time, Malays with 20-meter ships with outriggers were crossing the southern part of the Indian Ocean, settling the huge island of Madagascar and leaving marks in Africa. Even today, after migration from Africa, Arabia and India, Madagascar’s human gene pool is 50 percent Austronesian and its language 80 percent.
The modern states that are the successors of those seafaring, migrant and trading Malays lack – unlike the Chinese – the written records to show their history. Nor is there much local elite awareness in those nations of their histories prior to the arrival of Islam and, very soon afterwards, of European traders and imperialists. But advances in archaeology, in genetics and other sciences which can make up for gaps in written history, are beginning to make the broad Malay world better aware of its past and of its right both to contest Chinese claims and resist further Han expansion into Southeast Asia.

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“The seafaring history of the region at least for the first millennium of the current era was dominated by the ancestors of today's Indonesians, Malaysians, Filipinos and (less directly) Vietnamese (Austronesian Chams).” This statement at least is supported by current historical and anthropological knowledge.(Victor T. King,“Ethnolinguistic Groups of Southeast Asia,” in Southeast Asia: A Historical Encyclopedia, from Angkor Wat to East Timor, ed. Ooi Keat Gin, pp. 492-498, Santa Barbara, California: ABC-CLIO, Inc., 2004).

“China, follow Internat'l Law!”

Since: Jun 12

United States of America

#21 Nov 29, 2012
RayH wrote:
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3,000 years ago.
First of all the ANCIENT NAME OF SOUTH CHINA SEA WAS

The CHAM SEA,

named after the POWERFUL AUSTRONESIAN KINGDOM OF CHAMPA (MODERN DAY CENTRAL AND SOUTHERN VIETNAM, PARTS OF CAMBODIA AND THAILAND) that ruled the SOUTH CHINA SEA IN THE ANCIENT TIMES.

The sea was known to the 10th-century Arab traveler and geographer al-Masudi AS THE CHAM SEA.

Later on the EUROPEAN COLONIZERS RENAMED IT AS THE SOUTH CHINA SEA TO REFER THAT THE SEA IS IN THE "SOUTH OF CHINA."

“China, follow Internat'l Law!”

Since: Jun 12

United States of America

#22 Nov 29, 2012
Refuting China's Historical Claim

Peoples of the Austronesian language family, more specifically the
Malayo-Polynesian branch, were the first to navigate the South China
Sea. Their original homelands were Southern China or Taiwan. Between
5000-2500 BC, they crossed the South China Sea to populate the
Philippines, Indonesia and Malaysia. From Southeast Asia, they crossed
the Pacific Ocean to populate Melanesia and Micronesia by 1200 BC,
Polynesia by 1000 BC, Easter Island by 300 AD, Hawaii by 400 AD and New
Zealand by 800 AD. They also crossed the Indian Ocean to populate
Madagascar by 0-500 AD. The Indo-Pacific maritime space, including the
South China Sea, was their historic water. Since the Austronesian
peoples (ancestors of the Filipinos, Indonesians and Malaysians) were
the first to navigate the South China Sea, they were the first to
discover the islands in the area and to fish in the associated waters.
Though they did not invent writing to record their discovery, it would
be ludicrous to deny their discovery of the islands so close to the
Philippines and Indonesia in light of the fact that they were able to
discover the various islands in the vast Pacific Ocean.

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