Greedy and bully China wants Scarboro...

“China, follow Internat'l Law!”

Since: Jun 12

United States of America

#111 Jan 7, 2013
attila the Han wrote:
<quoted text>
actually god instructed china to try the pinoys. china shall prevail, pinoys shall go to heaven.
china said it is a win-win deal.
European Old Maps Support the Philippines' Scarborough and Spratly Islands claim

Old Spanish Maps of the Philippines

1. http://postimage.org/image/6unrgltl3/

2. http://postimage.org/image/nh28wpg3f/

European Old Maps Support the Philippines' Scarborough and Spratly Islands claim

French Old Maps

1. http://postimage.org/image/x4b65sv8f/

The French used the word “PANACOT”, the Spanish name of the Scarborough Shoal.

The French also used the word “BAJO DE PARAGUA”, the Spanish name of the Spratly Islands.

2. http://postimage.org/image/65gi23kxx/

1826 Map – Scarborough and Spratlys part of the Philippines

3. http://postimage.org/image/urzjqg07v/

4. http://postimage.org/image/938vi35sv/

5. http://i45.tinypic.com/33feyvl.jpg

6. http://postimage.org/image/skpfdvkx1/ - Spratlys same color with the Philippines, different color with Vietnam.

7. http://postimage.org/image/urpwfzp6l/ - The Islands are of the same color as the Philippines.

8. The French describing the Sultanates of Brunei and Sulu (?) who ruled the Spratlys, Palawan, Most of Mindanao, Sulu, Mindanao, and most of BORNEO.

http://postimage.org/image/3vfm61joz/ - Spratly same color with Palawan and Borneo.

http://postimage.org/image/561be6xhn/full/ - Green shades are the territories of the Sultanates of Brunei and Sulu (Austronesian Kingdoms). Again, they ruled the Spratlys, Palawan, Most of Mindanao, Sulu, and most of BORNEO.

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“China, follow Internat'l Law!”

Since: Jun 12

United States of America

#112 Jan 7, 2013
attila the Han wrote:
<quoted text>
you are a bad jews.
Old British Empire Maps Support the Philippines' Claim

1. http://postimage.org/image/5bpm3e8tj/full/ -

http://s17.postimage.org/m9buxhlgv/Scar_2_for... (zoomed in version)

The British used the word “PANACOT”, the Spanish name of the Scarborough Shoal.

The British named BAJO DE PARAGUA (The Spanish of the Spratlys)“SHELVES OF PARAGO”.

Paragua is the Spanish name of the Island of Palawan

Bajo de Paragua means under Palawan

2. http://postimage.org/image/9mevu3v33/ -1804

3. http://postimage.org/image/t7ql4z2lv/ - 1828

According to HISTORY accepted wordwide, the Sultanates of Brunei and Sulu (Austronesians) ruled the Spratlys, Half of Palawan, Most of Mindanao, Sulu, and most of BORNEO.

The FRENCH VALIDATED IT as TRUE!!!!

http://postimage.org/image/561be6xhn/full/ - Green shades are the territories of the Sultanates of Brunei and Sulu (Austronesian Kingdoms).

Again, they ruled the Spratlys, Palawan, Most of Mindanao, Sulu, and most of BORNEO.

How could have the Chinese RULED the South China Sea???

Very Impossible!!!!

You cannot distort the real History!!!!

The Sultan of Sulu in the southern Philippines has claimed that the contested Spratly Island in the South China Sea was part of the ancestral domain of Filipino-Muslims prior to the arrival of the Spanish colonials in the 16th century, a local paper said.

“China has no right over the Spratly Islands in what it calls the South China Sea because that is part of our ancestral domain,” Majaraj Julmuner Jannaral, Sultanate information officer, told the Philippine Star.

The Sultanate of Sulu has had proprietary rights over the Spratlys because Sabah (now part of Malaysia), the Sulu archipelago in the southern Philippines, and Palawan in southwestern Philippines belonged to the Sultanate of Sulu even before the Spaniards colonized the Philippines in 1521, explained Jannaral, a representative of Muhammad Fuad Abdulla Kiram I, the reigning Sultan of Sulu and Sabah (Malaysia’s North Borneo).

“China, follow Internat'l Law!”

Since: Jun 12

United States of America

#113 Jan 7, 2013
Old Jew wrote:
Only China has the might, money and influence to make use of those useless Islands.
Old Italian Map Supports the Philippines' Claim

http://postimage.org/image/uvyvhbwbt/

The Italians used the word “PANACOT”, the Spanish name of the Scarborough Shoal.

The Italians named BAJO DE PARAGUA (The Spanish of the Spratlys)“LOS BAJOS DE PARAGUA”.

Paragua is the Spanish name of the Island of Palawan

Bajo de Paragua means under Palawan

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More OLD MAPS to be posted

Old European Maps showed Scarborough and Spratlys were not part of CHINA

BRITISH OLD MAPS

1. http://postimage.org/image/xqkb8ucjr/

2. http://postimage.org/image/z8unrt185/

3. http://postimage.org/image/9n9pjjy49/

4. http://postimage.org/image/6p7tr5iyz/

5. http://postimage.org/image/d54j2ukxf/

6. http://postimage.org/image/fq20nthp9/

Old European Maps showed Scarborough and Spratlys were not part of CHINA

OLD FRENCH MAPS

1. http://postimage.org/image/v1u0leunl/

2. http://postimage.org/image/jf9wka7ch/

3. http://postimage.org/image/wgxvz5dlz/

4. http://postimage.org/image/v0r5ao71b/

5. http://postimage.org/image/xyzvnuvgd/

6. http://postimage.org/image/bbkmhpfwd/

7. http://postimage.org/image/n9afc3fqx/

8. http://postimage.org/image/5bcgxh0bl/

9. http://postimage.org/image/g2hqrszs7/

Old European Maps showed Scarborough and Spratlys were not part of CHINA

OLD ITALIAN MAP

http://postimage.org/image/npzwrbarv/

OLD DUTCH MAP

http://postimage.org/image/a8228dwmt/

Old AMERICAN Map showed Scarborough and Spratlys were not part of CHINA

http://postimage.org/image/fk3izvjjv/

Other EUROPEAN MAP

http://postimage.org/image/fr059zl1n/

To Sum Up

1. Old European Maps support the Philippines Claim

2. Old European and American Maps showed Scarborough and the Spratlys were not part of China

3. Maps published by CHINA also did not include Scarborough and the Spratlys

“China, follow Internat'l Law!”

Since: Jun 12

United States of America

#114 Jan 7, 2013
Snowflake wrote:
All the major countries in the world believed that it belongs to China based on historical accounts.
Even the USA is not backing the Flips who are supposed to be allies.
No LEGITIMATE Country Supports China’s 9 Dash Claim

They want International Law to be used SPECIFICALLY UNCLOS which CHINA SIGNED!

ASEAN (CAMBODIA, MYANMAR, BURMA, Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia, Vietnam, Singapore, Brunei, Philippines)
http://vovworld.vn/en-US/News/Sixpoint-princi...

ASEAN countries have agreed on the bloc’s six-point principles which include: Full implementation of the Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the East Sea (2002) and using International Law to settle dispute, including the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS)

RUSSIA

http://globalnation.inquirer.net/28137/del-ro...

Russia Pronounce its support to the Philippines over Spratly disputes with china and other claimants. Russia is supporting the Philippines' stand that RULES based on transparency and diplomacy should be used to resolve maritime issues.

INDIA

http://www.thehindu.com/news/article3609324.e...

International Law must be used to resolve dispute

EUROPEAN UNION

http://www.neurope.eu/article/eu-ready-play-v...

EU-Asia Center director Fraser Cameron said during a forum in Manila that the EU supports a rules-based international system and liberty of navigation. The EU believes that territorial disputes should be resolved “in accordance with international law"

NEW ZEALAND

http://globalnation.inquirer.net/8775/new-zea...

New Zealand backs Philippine position on Spratlys

New Zealand supports the position of the Philippines and other allies that claimants to the Spratly chain of islands must heed the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS)

MALAYSIA

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/global-filipino/wo...

Malaysia is supporting the Philippines' stand that Manila's dispute with China over ownership of Scarborough shoal should be resolved based on the United Nations Convention on Law of the Sea (UNCLOS)

VIETNAM
http://thediplomat.com/asean-beat/2012/05/24/...

1) Support for the “sovereign rights” of the Philippines in the Scarborough Shoal.
2) Opposition to China’s use of the “nine-dashed line” to make overlapping claims with the Exclusive Economic Zones and continental shelves of the Philippines, Vietnam and other ASEAN countries, as well as opposition to “China’s actions and threats of force,”
3) Support for the Philippines’ proposal to submit the dispute at Scarborough Shoal to the International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea (ITLOS).

JAPAN

http://globalnation.inquirer.net/13915/philip...

President Aquino and Noda “confirmed that freedom of navigation, unimpeded commerce, and compliance with established international law including the UNCLOS and the peaceful settlement of disputes serve the interests of the two countries and the whole region.”

AUSTRALIA

http://www.philippinenews.com/top-stories/253...

Australia said those involved in the territorial dispute — Brunei, China, Malaysia, Philippines, and Taiwan — should adhere to UNCLOS, which codifies the international law of the sea.

USA

http://www.sunstar.com.ph/manila/local-news/2...

They should be following international law, the rule of law, the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea (Unclos),

INDONESIA

http://www.businessmirror.com.ph/home/nation/...
Indonesia supports PHL stand on Spratlys

“China, follow Internat'l Law!”

Since: Jun 12

United States of America

#116 Jan 7, 2013
Taiwanese wrote:
<quoted text>
Your Japanese mummy is calling you home to Japan. Taiwan does not need you to be her mouthpiece. Diaoyu islands belong to Taiwan ie China. Ryu Kyu Islands belong to Ryu Kyu people not Japan. Get your history right running dog billy.
To sum up

1. No International Law supports China's 9 dash claim

2. No Legitimate country recognizes China's 9 dash claim

3. Modern Historical and Archaeological findings backed by MODERN SCIENCE contradict with China's Historical Claim.

4. Old Chinese maps did not include Scarborough and the Spratlys

5. Old European maps showed Scarborough and the Spratlys part of the Philippines

6. Old European maps did not include Scarborough and the Spratlys as part of China

7. Based on the Treaty of San Francisco, Treaty of Peace, Post Dam Declaration, and Cairo Declaration, JAPAN did not give the Island to China, therefore, China's Spratly and Scarborough claims are ILLEGAL!

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Under International Law, HISTORICAL CLAIMS ARE NOT RECOGNIZED

UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAW, THE PHILIPPINES IS THE RIGHTFUL OWNER

BASED ON 5 INTERNATIONAL LAWS

WHICH ARE

1. EFFECTIVE JURISDICTION OF THE ISLANDS AND REEFS

2. CESSION: TRANSFER OF SOVEREIGNTY FROM THE SPANISH TO THE AMERICANS

AND

TRANSFER OF SOVEREIGNTY FROM THE AMERICANS TO THE FILIPINOS

3. UNCLOS - 2OO NM EEZ

4. ARCHIPELAGIC D0CTRINE - WATERS AROUND AND BETWEEN THE PHILIPPINES INCLUDING THE SPRATLYS AND SCARBOROUGH ARE PART OF PHILIPPINES TERRITORY.

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No wonder CHINA IS SCARED OF THE INTERNATIONAL COURT!
bll

Christchurch, New Zealand

#117 Jan 7, 2013
old china wrote:

<quoted text>
One reason why the UK still have sovereignty over the Falklands is because they have, like China, refused to go to arbitration.
you are wrong

Following the Argentine claim, the United Kingdom offered to take the dispute over the Falkland Island Dependencies to mediation at the International Court of Justice in The Hague (1947, 1948 and 1955); on each occasion Argentina declined.

http://web.archive.org/web/20110606073350/htt ...

Thanks for all the facts, and for prooving "olde china" wrong,, yet again

“China, follow Internat'l Law!”

Since: Jun 12

United States of America

#118 Jan 7, 2013
bll wrote:
old china wrote:
<quoted text>
One reason why the UK still have sovereignty over the Falklands is because they have, like China, refused to go to arbitration.
you are wrong
Following the Argentine claim, the United Kingdom offered to take the dispute over the Falkland Island Dependencies to mediation at the International Court of Justice in The Hague (1947, 1948 and 1955); on each occasion Argentina declined.
http://web.archive.org/web/20110606073350/htt ...
Thanks for all the facts, and for prooving "olde china" wrong,, yet again
yup HE WAS TOTALLY WRONG!

here is the correct link

http://web.archive.org/web/20110606073350/htt...

The Falkland Islands
A history of the 1982 conflict

“China, follow Internat'l Law!”

Since: Jun 12

United States of America

#119 Jan 7, 2013
Actually

PANACOT is a FILIPINO word and NOT SPANISH

The FRENCH, ITALIAN, SPANISH, BRITISH

USED THE WORD "PANACOT" in their old maps

and NOT

Huangyan,

Scarborough

or ANY OTHER CHINESE NAME.

PANACOT is A FILIPINO WORD that means "a tool or thing to SCARE someone or people"

A relevant WORD for the Scarborough AS SHIPS MAY GO A GROUND.
History

Edmonton, Canada

#120 Jan 8, 2013
(1) According to historical records, China owns these islands.

(2)According to several international treaties involving Spain, USA, Great Britain & the Philippines, and the constitional laws of the Philippines, Scarborough Shoal & other Spratlys Islands ARE NOT Filipino territories. It is crystal clear!
atilla the Han

Australia

#121 Jan 8, 2013
yes history speaks louder than lies
atilla the Han

Helensvale, Australia

#122 Jan 8, 2013
Austronesian Guy wrote:
PANACOT is A FILIPINO WORD that means "a tool or thing to SCARE someone or people"
Could it be banana?

“China, follow Internat'l Law!”

Since: Jun 12

United States of America

#123 Jan 8, 2013
History wrote:
(1) According to historical records, China owns these islands.
(2)According to several international treaties involving Spain, USA, Great Britain & the Philippines, and the constitional laws of the Philippines, Scarborough Shoal & other Spratlys Islands ARE NOT Filipino territories. It is crystal clear!
(1) What Historical Records? The Fake History?

The whole WORLD KNOWS that the CHINESE were late comers to the South China Sea.

Secondly, HISTORICAL CLAIMS ARE NOT RECOGNIZED under INTERNATIONAL LAW

Imagine if Italy claims all ROMAN Empire lands today JUST BECAUSE THEY HAVE old maps c'mon!

Also, IF CHINA is serious about historical claimS, return TIBET, INNER MONGOLIA, SINKIANG, NORTHEAST CHINA AND TAIWAN TO ITS ORIGINAL INHABITANTS.

“China, follow Internat'l Law!”

Since: Jun 12

United States of America

#124 Jan 8, 2013
History wrote:
(1) According to historical records, China owns these islands.
(2)According to several international treaties involving Spain, USA, Great Britain & the Philippines, and the constitional laws of the Philippines, Scarborough Shoal & other Spratlys Islands ARE NOT Filipino territories. It is crystal clear!
(2)

The Treaty of Paris is of "NO CONSEQUENCE"

First of all based on CHINESE OLD maps PUBLISHED BY CHINA, they don't OWN Scarborough Shoal & other Spratlys Islands

So, how can they claim them?

SEE MAPS BELOW

Ancient Chinese Maps did not include the Spratlys and Scarborough.

Chinese Territory ends at Hainan Island

The southernmost point in China, called Tianya Haijiao or “the End of the World”, is on Hainan Island. See the Chinese Inscription below:

http://choleross.multiply.com/photos/album/50...

Ancient Chinese Maps

1. Year 1461

http://postimage.org/image/kjwspmm4t/ - A Ming Dynasty map published in 1461. Scarborough and Spratly Islands are not in the map.

2. Year 1561

http://postimage.org/image/94xfe56wn/ - A map of the Yuan Dynasty drawn in 1561 showed the Island of Hainan as China’s southernmost territory.

3. Year 1653

http://postimage.org/image/4l1zi1k4h/ - Another Chinese map drawn in 1653 showed the Hainan Island as its southernmost land.

4. China’s map in 1728

http://postimage.org/image/p69v1e2yt/ - Again, no Scarborough or Spratly Islands in the picture

5. A map of Guangdong province in 1897

http://postimage.org/image/i33icpak7/ - Hainan Island was the end of their territory.

--------AFTER THE TREATY OF PARIS WAS SIGNED, LET'S SEE CHINA'S MAPS------

6. 1904 Chinese Map

http://postimage.org/image/4hkm2cmcp/

7. 1905

http://postimage.org/image/bt88ppb5j/ - Qing Dynasty in 1905

8. Qing Empire published by Shanghai company in 1908

http://postimage.org/image/mqunc8eht/

9. 1909

http://postimage.org/image/ek5db1f0r/ - A Qing Dynasty’s map in 1909 also showed Hainan Island as China’s southernmost land.

10. 1912

http://postimage.org/image/tj13l87qh/ - China’s map during the revolution published in 1912 by Japan’s Osaka publisher.

11. 1926

http://postimage.org/image/d5uj5bxyv/ - Republic of China

12. 1935

http://postimage.org/image/kaqwnh5pd/ - Republic of China

13. Europe, Africa and Asia Map by China in 1939.

http://postimage.org/image/awzobtz9v/

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See CHINA CAN NEVER USE THE TREATY OF PARIS BECAUSE THE ISLANDS ARE NOT THEIRS ACCORDING TO THEIR MAPS!

“China, follow Internat'l Law!”

Since: Jun 12

United States of America

#125 Jan 8, 2013
History wrote:
(1) According to historical records, China owns these islands.
(2)According to several international treaties involving Spain, USA, Great Britain & the Philippines, and the constitional laws of the Philippines, Scarborough Shoal & other Spratlys Islands ARE NOT Filipino territories. It is crystal clear!
(2)

Secondly,

OLD British, Italian, Spanish, and French maps called SCARBOROUGH Shoal "PANACOT" its Filipino Name and not HUANGYAN

Also, Spain called the SPRATLYS BAJO DE PARAGUA

BAJO DE PARAGUA means under Palawan

They called Palawan "PARAGUA".

The French also used the word “BAJO DE PARAGUA”, the Spanish name of the Spratly Islands.

The British named BAJO DE PARAGUA (The Spanish of the Spratlys)“SHELVES OF PARAGO”.

PARAGO is the BRITISH name of PALAWAN

The Italians named BAJO DE PARAGUA (The Spanish of the Spratlys)“LOS BAJOS DE PARAGUA”.

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SEE!!!!

THEY DID NOT CALL THE SPRALY ISLANDS NANSHA OR ANY CHINESE NAME!

OPEN YOUR LITTLE EYES PLEASE!

“China, follow Internat'l Law!”

Since: Jun 12

United States of America

#126 Jan 8, 2013
History wrote:
(1) According to historical records, China owns these islands.
(2)According to several international treaties involving Spain, USA, Great Britain & the Philippines, and the constitional laws of the Philippines, Scarborough Shoal & other Spratlys Islands ARE NOT Filipino territories. It is crystal clear!
(2)

Third

After the TREATY OF PARIS WAS SIGNED,

THE ISLANDS REMAINED PART OF THE PHILIPPINES AND NOT CHINA!

China never controlled the Islands!

“China, follow Internat'l Law!”

Since: Jun 12

United States of America

#127 Jan 8, 2013
History wrote:
(1) According to historical records, China owns these islands.
(2)According to several international treaties involving Spain, USA, Great Britain & the Philippines, and the constitional laws of the Philippines, Scarborough Shoal & other Spratlys Islands ARE NOT Filipino territories. It is crystal clear!
You know what is Crystal Clear?

The International Court "DOES NOT" RECOGNIZE HISTORICAL CLAIMS!

The International Court "DOES" RECOGNIZE EFFECTIVE JURISDICTION OF THE PHILIPPINES OF THE ISLANDS BECAUSE IT

IS A PUBLIC INTERNATIONAL LAW!

“China, follow Internat'l Law!”

Since: Jun 12

United States of America

#128 Jan 8, 2013
atilla the Han wrote:
yes history speaks louder than lies
Yep you are right!

According to HISTORY ACCEPTED WORDL WIDE,

the Austronesians ruled the South China Sea

and the CHINESE were THOUSANDS OF YEARS LATE COMERS TO THE SOUTH CHINA SEA.

“The seafaring history of the region at least for the first millennium of the current era was dominated by the ancestors of today's Indonesians, Malaysians, Filipinos and (less directly) Vietnamese (Austronesian Chams).” This statement at least is supported by current historical and anthropological knowledge.(Victor T. King,“Ethnolinguistic Groups of Southeast Asia,” in Southeast Asia: A Historical Encyclopedia, from Angkor Wat to East Timor, ed. Ooi Keat Gin, pp. 492-498, Santa Barbara, California: ABC-CLIO, Inc., 2004).

“China, follow Internat'l Law!”

Since: Jun 12

United States of America

#129 Jan 8, 2013
atilla the Han wrote:
yes history speaks louder than lies
Also, according to HISTORY,

The MONGOLS led the SURVEY/Expedition

so why is CHINA claiming the islands?

If any, it SHOULD BE MONGOLIA!

COMMON SENSE PLEASE!

“China, follow Internat'l Law!”

Since: Jun 12

United States of America

#130 Jan 8, 2013
atilla the Han wrote:
yes history speaks louder than lies
Is that why you are scared of the International Court? lmao!

China rejects taking dispute to International Court

http://www.rappler.com/nation/4058-china-reje...

China has rejected the Philippines' invitation to take the ongoing Scarborough Shoal dispute to an international court, a Chinese state-run newspaper said Thursday, April 19.

“A rejection of such invitation – which is one way of solving this situation diplomatically and peacefully – is actually saying that they are not prepared to validate their claims,”

China, sitting on the United Nations Security Council, has refused to allow the dispute of the Philippines, Vietnam and other countries to come before the international body for resolution.

China’s consistent refusal to bring its claim to the United Nations International Court of Justice (ICJ) or to the United Nation’s International Tribunal on the Law of the Sea (ITLOS) by itself is a tacit admission that it cannot prove its so called historical claim before a proper neutral court

“China, follow Internat'l Law!”

Since: Jun 12

United States of America

#132 Jan 8, 2013
atilla the Han wrote:
<quoted text>
Could it be banana?
At least they did not call the ISLANDS/Shoal

Huangyan or Nansha lol

and that's all that matters!

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