Video of interrogation of Gitmo prisoner released

[Mad Dog USN]

ucantbsrius wrote:

<quoted text>The price is not torture.

Which one do you prefer?
Death or a little sleep deprivation?
To bad the soldier he killed didn't get that option.

[Night Train]

ucantbsrius wrote:

<quoted text>Torture is torture,I too am embarrassed. But for my country.
At least a judge is allowing the evidence to come forth. Did you read the article? The tactics used on this 15 year old are against international law.
Do you advocate torture of 15 year old American children who might have some information of a crime? How about if it were your child? He is/was a pawn of his own family. He should be treated in a humane manner,it is likely the information would come out in short order, of his own accord.
Both our countries always held to a higher standard. Torture is banned for a number of good reasons and it doesn't yield reliable information.Don't go on about beheadings and such. Remember what the Nazi's did and German prisoners of that horrible era were not tortured, were they?

I too had great concerns about the "violations of Internation Law" but I don't anymore. A rule book is not going to be of much effect when dealing with an adversary that follows no rules, has no regard for human life, not even their own. I agree entirely with Nightflyer in his opinion of how we should be dealing with Kadr's family. Send them back where they came from. We should have done that when they first started spewing their Al Queda sentiments. As far as this 15 year old is concerned, I doubt he was anything more than a simple terrorist combatant with little or no information of any consequence, and should simply have been shot in the head upon capture and the matter would have been concluded as far as he is concerned. Taking high level prisoners for interrogation makes sense if they have information of value but anyone of lesser importance should just be terminated. Not a very "civilized" approach, nor one that conforms to our comfortable standard of human rights, but one that does conform with the mentality and operation of the terrorist sect. When someone is of a mindset to strap explosives to their body and blow themselves up along with as many innocent people as they can, what set of rules can you use to combat or deal with that? NONE. Hopefully you can find and eliminate these people before they detonate.

[ucantbsrius]

Night Train wrote:

<quoted text>I too had great concerns about the "violations of Internation Law" but I don't anymore. A rule book is not going to be of much effect when dealing with an adversary that follows no rules, has no regard for human life, not even their own. I agree entirely with Nightflyer in his opinion of how we should be dealing with Kadr's family. Send them back where they came from. We should have done that when they first started spewing their Al Queda sentiments. As far as this 15 year old is concerned, I doubt he was anything more than a simple terrorist combatant with little or no information of any consequence, and should simply have been shot in the head upon capture and the matter would have been concluded as far as he is concerned. Taking high level prisoners for interrogation makes sense if they have information of value but anyone of lesser importance should just be terminated. Not a very "civilized" approach, nor one that conforms to our comfortable standard of human rights, but one that does conform with the mentality and operation of the terrorist sect. When someone is of a mindset to strap explosives to their body and blow themselves up along with as many innocent people as they can, what set of rules can you use to combat or deal with that? NONE. Hopefully you can find and eliminate these people before they detonate.

Japan, Vietnam and the Germany didn't follow the same rules either.
Finding and eliminating as you would allow the powers that be create horrific consequences that last generations. The war in Iraq is a perfect example.

[ucantbsrius]

Mad Dog USN wrote:

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Which one do you prefer?
Death or a little sleep deprivation?
To bad the soldier he killed didn't get that option.

A little sleep deprivation? your giving this Government too much credit. Again, would you tortureanAmerican15 year old to prevent a crime? Like the type of crime committed in this country every day? Torture is torture. Whether it is domestic or international it doesn't work.

[ucantbsrius]

Mad Dog USN wrote:

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Which one do you prefer?
Death or a little sleep deprivation?
To bad the soldier he killed didn't get that option.

It is a war. You don't torture your enemies.

[Mad Dog USN]

ucantbsrius wrote:

<quoted text>A little sleep deprivation? your giving this Government too much credit. Again, would you tortureanAmerican15 year old to prevent a crime? Like the type of crime committed in this country every day? Torture is torture. Whether it is domestic or international it doesn't work.

Wrong scenario, he used a grenade to kill a US soldier. He knew full well what he was doing.
He is an enemy combatant.

[Mad Dog USN]

ucantbsrius wrote:

<quoted text>It is a war. You don't torture your enemies.

Your right, If your an islamic insurgent.
You just behead anybody you disagree with.

"It is a war. You don't torture your enemies."

Gee I wish the North Vietnamese knew that. Obviously they didn't get your memo in 1965. oops!!!

I have no sympathy for this kid. You wanna play war? You pay the price. The only thing this kids sorry about is the fact his sorry azz got caught.

[Harley-Honey]

Kettle is Black wrote:

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here in america we dont believe in that sort of thing.

Yeah right...and bullshit... many of your states still have the death penalty, of which I am all for.

[Nightflyer]

Mad Dog USN wrote:

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Wrong scenario, he used a grenade to kill a US soldier. He knew full well what he was doing.
He is an enemy combatant.

You mean, a so-called "Canadian" killing an American soldier. Quite despicable isn't it? Gives full credit to the debate of 'geesh, look at the types of people we now have living amongst ourselves'.

Here's a tip Mad Dog....you'll never convince a liberalized Canadian that the Guantanamo detainees are bad. They seem to think that the detainees are simply shop lifters.

[Harley-Honey]

jed3d wrote:

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First of all, I respect your right to handwring. That is one of many things that make our country great. In countries that operate under sharia, you would likely have your head separated from your shoulders for a sentiment like that.
Now to the meat of the issue...What acts? Sleep deprivation? Waterboarding? Perhaps you ought to Google "Nick Berg" and see what this kid's family financed.
When are people going to wake up and realize you can't "hug it out" with people who have been brainwashed since birth by fascists disguised as religious leaders to hate to the death, anything labeled as "infidel".
Neville Chamberlain also believed that aggression did not breed peace, and it landed an aggressor on his doorstep. I pray that there are more folks who remember their history, so well meaning (but ultimately misguided) folks like you don't condemn us to repeat it.

I agree with this post, and SAM's. Our soldiers fought for this fools right to hand wring,(the first poster that is). He should be ashamed to have posted such crap.

[Harley-Honey]

Night Train wrote:

<quoted text>I too had great concerns about the "violations of Internation Law" but I don't anymore. A rule book is not going to be of much effect when dealing with an adversary that follows no rules, has no regard for human life, not even their own. I agree entirely with Nightflyer in his opinion of how we should be dealing with Kadr's family. Send them back where they came from. We should have done that when they first started spewing their Al Queda sentiments. As far as this 15 year old is concerned, I doubt he was anything more than a simple terrorist combatant with little or no information of any consequence, and should simply have been shot in the head upon capture and the matter would have been concluded as far as he is concerned. Taking high level prisoners for interrogation makes sense if they have information of value but anyone of lesser importance should just be terminated. Not a very "civilized" approach, nor one that conforms to our comfortable standard of human rights, but one that does conform with the mentality and operation of the terrorist sect. When someone is of a mindset to strap explosives to their body and blow themselves up along with as many innocent people as they can, what set of rules can you use to combat or deal with that? NONE. Hopefully you can find and eliminate these people before they detonate.

Great post Night Train.....again.

[Harley-Honey]

I have no sympathy for this kid. You wanna play war? You pay the price. The only thing this kids sorry about is the fact his sorry azz got caught.

Is that not always the case in these situations.

And sympathy for 'people'( I use the term people loosely in this case) like this is between shit and syphillis in the dictionary.

If a person is so low as to end up in a place like this, it should be for a short time, then they should be executed at some point.

[Lucid1]

Rik wrote:

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You are very naive.. Damn straight you believe in that sort of thing.. You obviously dont know anyone in combat.. When everything hits the fan,, and it will soon.. You liberals will be the first to go.. RIP

This is true because the conservatives don't have the guts to go.

[Harley-Honey]

Here's a tip Mad Dog....you'll never convince a liberalized Canadian that the Guantanamo detainees are bad. They seem to think that the detainees are simply shop lifters.

Thanks God the majority of us aren't or those thieving ass kissin' bastards would still be in.

[Lucid1]

Harley-Honey wrote:

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Yeah right...and bullshit... many of your states still have the death penalty, of which I am all for.

right...and DNA evidence has prooved the death of several innocent people. Wouldn't that suQ if you were one? I don't beleive one way or the other in the death penalty but, if it is used - "guilt" should be gaurenteed. Not simply won by a prosicutor

[ucantbsrius]

Mad Dog USN wrote:

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Wrong scenario, he used a grenade to kill a US soldier. He knew full well what he was doing.
He is an enemy combatant.

So, he is a prisoner of war. There are international treaties signed by the USA regarding the treatment of prisoners. When America signs a treaty, it is American law. Your President is not only disregarding international law, he is breaking US law.

[ucantbsrius]

Nightflyer wrote:

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You mean, a so-called "Canadian" killing an American soldier. Quite despicable isn't it? Gives full credit to the debate of 'geesh, look at the types of people we now have living amongst ourselves'.
Here's a tip Mad Dog....you'll never convince a liberalized Canadian that the Guantanamo detainees are bad. They seem to think that the detainees are simply shop lifters.

That so-called Canadian was born in Canada. A liberalized Canadian? I guess you area Fox watching Canadian. Because your not a conservative. I am a conservative Canadian. Some people have done the same thing in Canada that has happened in the states. Some fascist rovians have attempted to take over Conservatism. That(like in the states) is now over. Go crawl back into the dark cave you came out of. The adults are now taking control.

[ucantbsrius]

Mad Dog USN wrote:

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Your right, If your an islamic insurgent.
You just behead anybody you disagree with.
"It is a war. You don't torture your enemies."
Gee I wish the North Vietnamese knew that. Obviously they didn't get your memo in 1965. oops!!!
I have no sympathy for this kid. You wanna play war? You pay the price. The only thing this kids sorry about is the fact his sorry azz got caught.

An American President announced he allowed torture of the Vietnamese? News to me. America made some huge mistakes in Vietnam. You didn't learn from recent history? Iraq is the new Vietnam. We already heard of Iraqi civilians being killed and tortured by Americans.

[Mad Dog USN]

ucantbsrius wrote:

<quoted text>An American President announced he allowed torture of the Vietnamese? News to me. America made some huge mistakes in Vietnam. You didn't learn from recent history? Iraq is the new Vietnam. We already heard of Iraqi civilians being killed and tortured by Americans.

Try justifying your point to the soldier he killed?

Insurgents and Terrorist are in no way like NVA or the Vietcong.

But your more than welcome to attempt to find commonality. I'm sure you can spin something?

[Nightflyer]

ucantbsrius wrote:

<quoted text>That so-called Canadian was born in Canada. A liberalized Canadian? I guess you area Fox watching Canadian. Because your not a conservative. I am a conservative Canadian. Some people have done the same thing in Canada that has happened in the states. Some fascist rovians have attempted to take over Conservatism. That(like in the states) is now over. Go crawl back into the dark cave you came out of. The adults are now taking control.

I know he was born in Canada, I'm well informed. Strip his mother of her citizenship and maybe her goddamn offspring would follow mommy home.

Interesting to see you, and some other Canadians, feeling pity for a jihadist.

Fox news?...or any other news?...not really.

I live in a beautiful home not a cave. Thanks for the junvenile remarks Mr.Adult.