Canadian native groups cancel CN Rail blockade

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Canadian aboriginal groups canceled a planned blockade of Canadian National Railway lines set for Thursday, after the company agreed to lobby Ottawa to help resolve natives' outstanding land claims, both groups ... Read more
Enough Already

Regina, Canada

#867 Jan 27, 2013
It is not racist to believe that everyone who is capable should work for a living. The native people and culture are not benefiting from all the handouts. Hundreds of civilizations throughout time have been conquered and they have not demanded financial compensation for eternity. Living conditions on the reserve are unacceptable but the government continuing to throw money at this problem will not help the situation. People have to be accountable and want to help themselves. If they are looking to blame someone for their current conditions they should start with themselves and their chiefs. In the mean time all of us "horrible" average Canadians will just continue working everyday to pay for all of the government services that they also benefit from, directly and indirectly. But natives should maybe consider the fact that it is our tax dollars that will be able to change your living conditions and that if we did all leave "your land" tomorrow the handouts would all be gone and sadly most of the reserves would not be able to support you or your people for very long. For the most part majority of Canadians are not racist, and most of the negative attitude towards natives in this country would end when all of the handouts stopped.

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Since: May 12

Regina

#868 Jan 27, 2013
Ronnie 73 wrote:
<quoted text>. That's all???? Who's truth?? You can't seriously believe all that the Government tells you. If there was no truth to any of it, there would be no need for the healing Programs put into place by the Government, or the money paid out to RS Survivors. Which....FYI was not that long ago. My sisters and I were in one. And what was wrong with Native Children being adopted to white folks...as long as it was on the up and up. I also fall into that group. I'm not just talking....I have lived it.
I don't necessarily believe everything the govt tells me, just as I don't necessarily believe everything people that have a vested interest in something tell me.
As far as Native children being adopted out to White families, not all of it was on the up and up, particularily in the early days of the "program".
You also obviously didn't notice I mentioned the disgrace the RS system was to Canada(and the Natives) and if anything, THAT'S what should be apologized for and has been, several times.

Since: Jan 13

Winnipeg, Canada

#869 Jan 28, 2013
Whisgean Zoda wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't necessarily believe everything the govt tells me, just as I don't necessarily believe everything people that have a vested interest in something tell me.
As far as Native children being adopted out to White families, not all of it was on the up and up, particularily in the early days of the "program".
You also obviously didn't notice I mentioned the disgrace the RS system was to Canada(and the Natives) and if anything, THAT'S what should be apologized for and has been, several times.
Just because a group of people have an interest in something....does not always mean what they have to say, is all fabricated. I went to school in a white school. I learned precious little of what actually happened. I had to do my own research. Which should never of been the case.
George

Red Deer, Canada

#870 Jan 28, 2013
If you look at the treaty signed by the forefathers the agreement is not about all land belonging to Indians but reserves and Indians that chose to leave the reserve choose to loose treaty rights. This was done to prevent war parties from forming and starting a new war. The treaty rights at that time included land and some coffee, sugar and flour for each native, nothing about health care, a free truck to each new 16 year old, building new homes for Indians to burn for fire wood, get out of jail free passes for poisoning children so they go to hospital for the weekend and they get to get drunk, free university (that was a cheap offer no one took it).
Holding Canadians hostage by blocking highways, railroads or government buildings is just childish and greedy.
I too am getting quite tired of the greed and pouting because some native did not get his way.
Over and over again I hear about the native claim that they are the protectors of the environment, of mother earth, well who ever said that has never been to reserve land, has never seen the reality of reserve habits.
if you think I am wrong, then tell me what does the Native population do for the environment? I do not want to hear about blockade of pipelines because that is just political black mail because that vote will swing as soon as the government agree to share some money from it, so go ahead start listing them......we are waiting.
As a culture the Indians are failing because they are lazy, sorry but honesty is honesty. They want handouts and not work for a living. They want to have sex then someone else take care of the kids, they want free everything and tough love is the next thing to happen to them. More and more Canadians are standing up to this whining and saying instead of giving everything to the Indian what about our children? free healthcare, dentistry, university, financing without supportive assets, and on and on.
The natives or indians or the new buzz word indeginous people must start to be accountable and earn funding, they will expire as a culture if they do not wake up, giving them more is killing them off, just look at the female chief on the hunger strike, what a shame, 750,000 a year and she looks like a homeless person and that would be an insult to the homeless.
You want respect, EARN IT, and pounding on a drum is not a culture made, start by leading, teaching, setting examples, disciplining your children, do not wait for the police to do it for you. Anyone that has lived for 50 years in Alberta or Saskatchewan is familiar with natives at stampede times, they are not in the rodeos performing or singing, or selling native artifacts or selling food from native menus, nope usually they are fighting and wrestling in the ditch with a bottle of wine until they pass out. I have personally seen demonstations by natives on spraying lysol spray under water then drink the water, drinking isopropyl alcohol then licking their lips, melting old 45 records, the thick ones and skimming off the top and drinking the alcohol, and you want to tell me this is a responsible culture, wake up.
George

Red Deer, Canada

#871 Jan 28, 2013
In fairness I also have seen native tribes that have woken up, in Saskatchewan they own casinos and employ natives along side whites, they promote bonuses to youth that graduate from highschool, it used to be grade 9 and the last I checked gave out large bonuses to university graduates that came home to help, unfortunately they do not want to come home, they enjoy their new found life and do not need the handout from the reserve. The chief I talked to says they are not upset but proud of these children and post pictures of them at schools and invite them to come to the schools on a regular basis to continue to break the pattern. This school now has joined with common schools in high school so that the native children and the common children get used to being with each other and any sign of racism is gone, it still is not but is getting there.
yeah I am going on and on and am not sorry about it, it is because I care that I do, there is hope to save a dying culture but they must save themselves no one can do it for them and no money will help.

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Since: May 12

Regina

#873 Jan 30, 2013
Ronnie 73 wrote:
<quoted text>Just because a group of people have an interest in something....does not always mean what they have to say, is all fabricated. I went to school in a white school. I learned precious little of what actually happened. I had to do my own research. Which should never of been the case.
Ronnie, I'm agreeing with you. I know the RS system existed, I was alive when it was still around. I also know the govt practiced forced assimilation on FN people. That included stuff like denying them education of their culture and history.
But I also don't buy into all this "noble savage" and "guardians of the environment" horsepuckey either. I also take SOME, and by that I mean a just a few, of their land claims with a grain of salt. The Six Nations land claims in particular.

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Since: May 12

Regina

#874 Jan 30, 2013
George wrote:
In fairness I also have seen native tribes that have woken up, in Saskatchewan they own casinos and employ natives along side whites, they promote bonuses to youth that graduate from highschool, it used to be grade 9 and the last I checked gave out large bonuses to university graduates that came home to help, unfortunately they do not want to come home, they enjoy their new found life and do not need the handout from the reserve. The chief I talked to says they are not upset but proud of these children and post pictures of them at schools and invite them to come to the schools on a regular basis to continue to break the pattern. This school now has joined with common schools in high school so that the native children and the common children get used to being with each other and any sign of racism is gone, it still is not but is getting there.
yeah I am going on and on and am not sorry about it, it is because I care that I do, there is hope to save a dying culture but they must save themselves no one can do it for them and no money will help.
There's a reserve in Northern Saskatchewan or Alberta(I can't for the life of me remember which band it is) that is more remote than Attawapiskat, has less money coming in and isn't suffering a housing crisis. 95% of their high school age kids are still in school and 90% of them graduate. They get a cross-education in what they'll need to survive in the 21st century as well as an education in their own history and culture.

Sadly, stories like these or stories of financially successful reserves get very little attention. And if/when they do, it's gets short mention and that's about it.
Meanwhile, dregs like Spence have been getting plenty of media time to satisfy even the most narcissistic attention whores.
George

Red Deer, Canada

#875 Jan 30, 2013
Whisgean Zoda wrote:
<quoted text>
There's a reserve in Northern Saskatchewan or Alberta(I can't for the life of me remember which band it is) that is more remote than Attawapiskat, has less money coming in and isn't suffering a housing crisis. 95% of their high school age kids are still in school and 90% of them graduate. They get a cross-education in what they'll need to survive in the 21st century as well as an education in their own history and culture.
Sadly, stories like these or stories of financially successful reserves get very little attention. And if/when they do, it's gets short mention and that's about it.
Meanwhile, dregs like Spence have been getting plenty of media time to satisfy even the most narcissistic attention whores.
I agree and maybe instead of Spence pouting and protesting she should spend some of the 750,000 and go visit the bands that are successful and learn and bring others from the band with her to learn how to do it correctly. She is acting like a spoiled child that lost their candy so is bugging daddy to buy her some more.
JTF

Winnipeg, Canada

#876 Jan 30, 2013
How about she (Thief Spence as she's called by some) just account for the millions and millions of dollars that appear to be missing?

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Since: May 12

Regina

#877 Jan 30, 2013
JTF wrote:
How about she (Thief Spence as she's called by some) just account for the millions and millions of dollars that appear to be missing?
And do it without the histrionics.
winnipeg ghost

Winnipeg, Canada

#878 Jan 31, 2013
1st off i'm not a racist,i have friends & family of all nationalities(yes and some natives too) that came to this country 100 years ago,who worked,slaved,died, saved. to call canada home,personally i don't think canadian goverment owes natives nothing you should do your history on native people that came originally over the bearing sea 10,000 years ago,now it seems you want your money for invading canada well if this is true i think we should all profit moving here how much cash for 100 years,tired of this bullshit get a job,save money make something of yourselves and family....or...just prove to what the average canadian person all ready thinks you just want something for nothing.......
Jana

Regina, Canada

#882 Jun 17, 2013
honestly being 16 and native is hard in this day and age , everyone's so racist I do not agree with other races calling down natives , but its true lots of first nation people decide to drink there sorrows away , but doesn't that happen in every other race ?, I'm just saying not everyone is perfect and before you judge someone look in your own back yard because in the end the only opinion that should matter is God's
Meh

Saskatoon, Canada

#883 Jun 17, 2013
Jana wrote:
honestly being 16 and native is hard in this day and age , everyone's so racist I do not agree with other races calling down natives , but its true lots of first nation people decide to drink there sorrows away , but doesn't that happen in every other race ?, I'm just saying not everyone is perfect and before you judge someone look in your own back yard because in the end the only opinion that should matter is God's
Being anything is hard this day and age, white, native, black, asian. Every group has thier bad racist's, just dont let it bother you and you will be better for it. No ones back yard its technically spotless. I will agree that things need to get better, the more we argue about whom is right and wrong the bigger the wedge between us is going to be.
Thestatsdontlie

Winnipeg, Canada

#884 Aug 26, 2013
I'm hopeful that one day the natives will become so restless that they try to rise up and take back what they perceive to be their birth right. There are many people on this forum claiming to be native and stating that, if they ever wanted to fight for the land to be returned, they would win.
I say go for it!!
The Europeans only arrived in Canada about 525 years ago whereas the natives claim to have been here for over 12000 years!!
Just remember that the Europeans were so technologically advanced that they were sailing across oceans in 1492. By the same time the natives were too daft to have invented the wheel! In fact, I firmly believe that without European technologies the natives would be unable to cross the ocean today!
Anyway, it's all a pipe dream unless the natives could manage a revolt from a stolen armchair, King can of bud in one hand and bag of ketchup chips in the other.
Sighhh

Since: Aug 13

Location hidden

#885 Aug 30, 2013
Bravo bravo I have never laughed harder. This form is extremely Hilarious. But I do agree The handouts .do need to stop That's why. we should remove Native Treaty rights. Then The natives Can stop bitching. About being treated equally. That is the only way a native will be equal To everybody Else.

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Since: May 12

Regina

#887 Aug 30, 2013
Jonny Two Shirts wrote:
<quoted text> We dint need no stinkin wheel eh,
For once I agree with ya Jonny. Necessity is the mother of invention. Considering this country's climate and terrain, wheels would have been an impediment to getting around, so it would have been a useless invention for your ancestors.
Litter Peg

Winnipeg, Canada

#890 Sep 4, 2013
Whisgean Zoda wrote:
<quoted text>
For once I agree with ya Jonny. Necessity is the mother of invention. Considering this country's climate and terrain, wheels would have been an impediment to getting around, so it would have been a useless invention for your ancestors.
That's why in Europe they built roads. By 2,000 years ago there was a fairly well developed road network in much of southern and western Europe.There were even aquaducts and running water.

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Since: May 12

Regina

#891 Sep 4, 2013
Litter Peg wrote:
<quoted text>
That's why in Europe they built roads. By 2,000 years ago there was a fairly well developed road network in much of southern and western Europe.There were even aquaducts and running water.
Right, and of course the climate of Southern and Western Europe is identical to that of Canada.
Roads would have been useless when they were covered in 2-3 feet of snow or more, wouldn't you say? If you want a good comparison, try and see how many roads there were in Russia 2000 years ago, or Norway, or Sweden, or Finland.
As for aqueducts, they would have been worse than useless in Canada in winter.

Europe and Asia also had horses. Something that would be more efficient with a wheel than mere man power.
Look at it this way, without domesticated livestock any wagons would have been human powered. ON top of that, the human(s) would also be pulling the extra weight of the wagon itself.
The Native North American way of moving stuff around was simply more efficient for them at the time.

Again, like the saying goes, necessity is the mother of invention.
Whisgean Zoda

Toronto, Canada

#892 Sep 4, 2013
I poo poo my pants.

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Since: May 12

Regina

#893 Sep 4, 2013
Tinywood hiding behind my name like a coward wrote:
I poo poo my pants.
Maybe you should ask your mom to use a smaller strap-on when you bend over for her. Might help with your apparent incontinence.

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