F*CK Passport Canada
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Citizen

Torrance, CA

#1 Jun 7, 2012
who gives them right to fool Canadian citizens, who gives them right to put so many ridiculous hurdles for Canadian citizens.

a passport is only an ID showing a person's citizenship. every and each citizen has the right to have a passport.

why that ridiculous guarantor, reference and work history stuff?

there are quite many people who have difficulty in finding someone who is willing to sign as a guarantor.

and, btw, they shouldn't even put a requirement of guarantor for passport in the first place.

citizen has right to a passport.
Citizen

Torrance, CA

#2 Jun 7, 2012
the whole experience is humiliating and very frustrating.

there are many conditions for a guarantor, it is hard to find someone who qualify, even if you find one, it is very likely they may not want to sign that paper for you. because that is a lot of responsiblity for nothing. and they need to write down name, date of birth, and passport number. who will be willing to take such trouble for nothing?

it is so ridiculous the government of Canada have no basic trust and respect to its citizens.

the attitude of Passport Canada is condescending and insulting.

passport to a citizen is a right, not a favor, okay?

F*ck them!
Citizen

Torrance, CA

#3 Jun 7, 2012
this is a serious human right violation.

Canada deprives many citizens the right to a passport and thus forbid them from getting out of this jail of a 'country', indeed an authoritarian foreign owned colony with no human rights.

United Nations please be aware of severe human rights violations in Canada!

International community please help helpless Canadians who are being bullied by the dictatorship of a government called Canada!
Ha ha ha

Toronto, Canada

#4 Jun 8, 2012
ah ha ha ha ha ha
QUITTNER

Toronto, Canada

#5 Jun 8, 2012
12:28 pm, Friday, June 8, 2012:
RE: F*CK Passport Canada
..... If a Canadian travels to other countries, then the people there very likely will judge Canada by the behaviour of that Canadian.
..... Canada should NOT issue a passport to any Canadian who in other countries wouldn't be a credit to Canada, such as any that would likely want to, and/or actually would, interfere/participate in conflicts of other countries, if such interference/participation is not a part of, or even contrary to, the current policy of the government of Canada.
Canadian dictatorship

Torrance, CA

#6 Jun 8, 2012
QUITTNER wrote:
12:28 pm, Friday, June 8, 2012:
RE: F*CK Passport Canada
..... If a Canadian travels to other countries, then the people there very likely will judge Canada by the behaviour of that Canadian.
..... Canada should NOT issue a passport to any Canadian who in other countries wouldn't be a credit to Canada, such as any that would likely want to, and/or actually would, interfere/participate in conflicts of other countries, if such interference/participation is not a part of, or even contrary to, the current policy of the government of Canada.
what you talks about sounds more like Canada is a dictatorship. probably that is what it is.

do you know the word 'human right','freedom of expression'?

maybe in your brainwashing Canadian education you know nothing.

if Canada is a 'country', its government must be governed from the people, by the people and for the people. instead of using the people to serve the dictate of an authoritarian government or 'country'.

you are controlling who among your people have access to a passport? and controls who can travel abroad and what they can say and do abroad? is this any better than North Korea that you like to pretend to be?

there are laws in other countries, this is not your government should worry about. what it should worry about is that every citizen should have their rights, and that right is properly respected. what you should do is to issue a passport and protect your citizen. not the other way around.

so in your opinion, those Canadian citizens living in Downtown Eastside of Vancouver or similar situations are not humans? they are not citizens and have no rights?

certainly someone from Downtown Eastside do not deserve to have a passport in the eyes of the Canadian government.

who you can kill at will? apparently someone was already doing that. some Pickton big farmer murdered 50 Native women in Vancouver like nothing.

this is Canada, a liar pretending to have 'human rights' but actually there is no human right in this colony.
Canadian dictatorship

Torrance, CA

#7 Jun 8, 2012
Ken wrote:
<quoted text>
Why don't you post about the place you live in? You are no expert about Canada. You seem to be able to get basic written facts ( and that is sort of ) but cannot understand some really simple stuff because it has a historical and cultural background that you are lacking knowledge about. Cripes if you go on posting about how easy it is to get a passport in China don't be sorry if Chinese passports are identified as " not secure, potentially phony" etc. You could single handedly close the door to Chinese people coming to Canada because one person read your posts and spoke to someone who mattered.
so Canada has a historical and cultural background to justify its abuse of human rights and its citizens?

yes, it is true Canada does have such a dark colonial history, it did murdered lots of Natives and other sorts human right abuses. today it is still dark.

you don't know that Chinese passports have started using ePassport with electroic chip even earlier than Canada? ePassport for Canadians is to be started as early as 2013, suppose you can get a passport in the first place, many Canadians can't even get a normal passport. and you think you are better than China?

it is now a fact China's citizens actually normally enjoy more freedoms than Canadians. people in China can get a passport very easily which means they are not controlled by government whether they can leave China or not.

there are so many Chinese in Vancouver? which means China didn't control who can leave China otherwise there won't be many Chinese in Canada. but Canada does control who can leave Canada, which is a violation of human rights. poor people in Canada have no chance of getting a passport which otherwise should be their rights.

China gives more prosperity to its citizens. there are so many Chinese millionaires in Canada enjoying better lives than some Canadians? driving more expensive cars and live in expensive mansions? remember China gave them this chance to become rich. not Canada.

there are thousands of Canadians living in somewhere like Downtown Eastside.

there are thousands of Chinese mansions in Vancouver, how many Canadians are able to go to China and build some mansions there?

Canada wants Chinese to come in, Chinese are coming here more often as a result of scam propaganda. Many Chinese don't stay here for too long. they leave eventually after they get to know a real Canada where is no opportunity, no freedom, full of racism and sometimes even police brutality, gruesome crimes and a stupid beaurocratic government full of stupid hurdles.

so don't worry about someone in Canadian government will close doors to Chinese. do it. nobody cares.

and your talking that 'someone' matters can do whatever they like, seems you are aware that Canada is an authoritarian dictatorship instead of a democracy.

btw, the very fact that your government introduces so many immigrants showes that your government of Canada has NO respect to Canadian citizens. in other normal countries governments don't do that.
Canadian dictatorship

Torrance, CA

#8 Jun 8, 2012
the part quoted, written by Ken should be:

Ken wrote:

////Why don't you post about the place you live in? You are no expert about Canada. You seem to be able to get basic written facts ( and that is sort of ) but cannot understand some really simple stuff because it has a historical and cultural background that you are lacking knowledge about. Cripes if you go on posting about how easy it is to get a passport in China don't be sorry if Chinese passports are identified as " not secure, potentially phony" etc. You could single handedly close the door to Chinese people coming to Canada because one person read your posts and spoke to someone who mattered./////
What

Toronto, Canada

#9 Jun 8, 2012
Citizen wrote:
every and each citizen has the right to have a passport.
Says who? In this country there are laws:

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulation...

If the Government handed out passports to any citizen (or anyone claiming to be a citizen) without due diligence, the Canadian passport would be as worthless as a passport of Turkmenistan or Ivory Coast.

The will of the majority of Canadians is that a Canadian passport actually be worth something, which is why the laws of this democratic country are what they are. Canadians would rather go through the application process and, at the end of it, receive a passport that actually functions (allows them to enter other countries).

Look at this map:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_requirement...

Now what would this map look like if we reduced the value of the Canadian passport to garbage by giving them to anyone, no questions asked?

This is as ridiculous as claiming that since the government can print money, it should print free money for everyone, ignoring that doing so would reduce the very value of that money to junk.
QUITTNER

Toronto, Canada

#10 Jun 8, 2012
1:47 pm, Friday, June 8, 2012:
RE: F*CK Passport Canada
..... Thanks, What. Keep well, good health is more valuable than money!
discrimination

Torrance, CA

#11 Jun 8, 2012
What wrote:
<quoted text>
Says who? In this country there are laws:
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulation...
If the Government handed out passports to any citizen (or anyone claiming to be a citizen) without due diligence, the Canadian passport would be as worthless as a passport of Turkmenistan or Ivory Coast.
The will of the majority of Canadians is that a Canadian passport actually be worth something, which is why the laws of this democratic country are what they are. Canadians would rather go through the application process and, at the end of it, receive a passport that actually functions (allows them to enter other countries).
Look at this map:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_requirement...
Now what would this map look like if we reduced the value of the Canadian passport to garbage by giving them to anyone, no questions asked?
This is as ridiculous as claiming that since the government can print money, it should print free money for everyone, ignoring that doing so would reduce the very value of that money to junk.
you are just one person okay? don't talk as if you represent all Canadians.

typical Canadians are quite sheepish, never question their system even if it is really obsolete and unreasonable.

so you are saying, by not issuing passports to less fortunate Canadian citizens, it helps save your face abroad? if you let your homeless etc. have passport everybody in other countries will know - oh, Canada has so many poor people, thus reduce the value of your passport? what elitist nonsense. do you know what is human right? you don't even respect your less fortunate fellow citizens, and you expect others to respect you?

Canadian passport is already less valuable than other passports. for example, many citizens of Asian countries have visa-free access to Canada for 6 months, but Canadians have only 3 months, 1 month, or even 14 days to such Asian countries. now you tell me Canadian passport is how respected?

it is not even because of some poor Canadians travelling abroad put a bad reputation on you, it is more because of your stupid government that doesn't even respect its own citizens.
discrimination

Torrance, CA

#12 Jun 8, 2012
i'm saying that, of course proof of citizenship is required. citizens do have responsibility to prove documents proving their citizenship. that is okay.

the government also has to carry responsibility to verify a person's citizenship. there are many ways to do that. you can even take fingerprints if that is necessary.

but, by requiring guarantor, work history, references etc. it is going out of the way. very inapproriate and wrong.

because it is very apparent that there are citizens who can not find a guarantor who is willing and qualified to sign his document. but otherwise he has sufficient documents to prove his citizenship.
What

Toronto, Canada

#13 Jun 8, 2012
discrimination wrote:
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you are just one person okay? don't talk as if you represent all Canadians.
Is that the best you can do?
typical Canadians are quite sheepish, never question their system even if it is really obsolete and unreasonable.
More ad-hominem attacks in place of an actual argument.
so you are saying, by not issuing passports to less fortunate Canadian citizens, it helps save your face abroad?
No, those are your words, not mine.
What

Toronto, Canada

#14 Jun 8, 2012
discrimination wrote:
but, by requiring guarantor, work history, references etc. it is going out of the way. very inapproriate and wrong.
Nope.
Cana

Canada

#15 Jun 8, 2012
USers are still bitter they elected baby bush 2ice...lol.
What a shithole that idiot created, now our banks are bargain hunting US financial businesses...thanks baby bush...lol!!

“Seriously guys...”

Since: May 12

Regina

#16 Jun 9, 2012
Citizen, Canadian Dictatorship and Discrimination: YOU three need to shut the hell up. None of you have a friggin clue about Canada, its people, its gov't, or its processes.
For an ACTUAL citizen, getting a passport is easier than getting a driver's licence.
I thought I sorted you mental midgets out in the other thread when I told you you were describing the process a landed immigrant goes through if they want a Canadian passport and they're not yet a citizen. I've had my passport for 27 years. It was easier than getting my driver's licence and the renewals are just as easy. They take a little longer than a licence renewal but I also don't have to stand in line for hours at the Ministry of Transport either.
Protip: Citizenship isn't automatic as soon as you set foot in this country.
Quite frankly, if the three of you got your single brain-cell together and wrote a book entitled, "Everything We Know About Canada", it would be the world's thinnest book consisting of only the cover.
nonsense

Torrance, CA

#17 Jun 9, 2012
Whisgean Zoda wrote:
Citizen, Canadian Dictatorship and Discrimination: YOU three need to shut the hell up. None of you have a friggin clue about Canada, its people, its gov't, or its processes.
For an ACTUAL citizen, getting a passport is easier than getting a driver's licence.
I thought I sorted you mental midgets out in the other thread when I told you you were describing the process a landed immigrant goes through if they want a Canadian passport and they're not yet a citizen. I've had my passport for 27 years. It was easier than getting my driver's licence and the renewals are just as easy. They take a little longer than a licence renewal but I also don't have to stand in line for hours at the Ministry of Transport either.
Protip: Citizenship isn't automatic as soon as you set foot in this country.
Quite frankly, if the three of you got your single brain-cell together and wrote a book entitled, "Everything We Know About Canada", it would be the world's thinnest book consisting of only the cover.
you talk a lot nonsense. but you never touch the word 'guarantor','work history','reference'.

it is about a citizen, you divert it to immigrants who are not citizens.

do you agree freedom of movement is fundamental right and freedom and equality in constitution, or charter of rights?

setting those extra conditions and require so many references and information of private life is violating citizens' rights by the government, which is unconsitutional and illegal.

is it okay for the government to break the law, violate the constituion and constitutional rights of citizens?

you don't have a clue.

if the government requires you to kneel down and kowtow in order to get a passport, you may think that is easy and no problem too? because it only takes 3 seconds for you to kneel and kowtow.

but you have no idea about why you should kneel to somebody else in order to get a passport? is it not and insult?

and you have no idea about there are for example people with disability out there or old people who are not even able to kneel down and kowtow even if they wanted to.
Lea

Mclean, VA

#18 Jun 9, 2012
Citizen wrote:
who gives them right to fool Canadian citizens, who gives them right to put so many ridiculous hurdles for Canadian citizens.
a passport is only an ID showing a person's citizenship. every and each citizen has the right to have a passport.
why that ridiculous guarantor, reference and work history stuff?
there are quite many people who have difficulty in finding someone who is willing to sign as a guarantor.
and, btw, they shouldn't even put a requirement of guarantor for passport in the first place.
citizen has right to a passport.
For those who live very near to the border, this makes sense. Tens of thousands cross the border everyday for work and pleasure.
What

Canada

#19 Jun 10, 2012
nonsense wrote:
it is about a citizen, you divert it to immigrants who are not citizens.
You are still confused (willfully or otherwise) about this point.

You can not separate citizens from non-citizens without a process. And that is what the government has in place: a process for establishing identity and citizenship. So when people are talking about non-citizens, they are not changing the subject at all. Do you get that now, or is it still too hard for you to understand?
do you agree freedom of movement is fundamental right and freedom and equality in constitution, or charter of rights?
Here is another point of confusion for you. A Canadian passport is not required by the Canadian government to leave Canada, except as a formality in cooperation with foreign governments: it is the *foreign governments* that require a valid passport to enter their country. Proof of this is simple: with the US there are and have been alternatives to passports that the US government accepted for entry. In such cases, Canada did not require a passport when leaving Canada.
What

Canada

#20 Jun 10, 2012
discrimination wrote:
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you are just one person okay? don't talk as if you represent all Canadians.
Hypocrite. You yourself presume to speak for all or a majority of Canadians ("they are oppressed", "they are sheep", etc.) yet you presume to apply to others standards which you fail miserably to meet yourself? You're a joke.

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