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Arindam
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Amzad Hossain wrote: <quoted text>
Sir that's your problem. We should eradicate jihadists from the soil of Bangladesh. These Jihadists do not understand why they are making so much hardship for themselves and their families. They are not educated and they should be uprooted with good education and good means of living. They are, in fact, not real friend of Islam. If you support them , you are hurting Islam. The jihadists are actually the truest Muslims out there. They are following the Koran to the letter. After all, it is the Koran which calls for the slaying of infidels - as in Sura 9 - if they do not submit to Islamic power. It is the Koran which claims that insulting God and Mohammed are among the worst crimes possible - and deserves to be punished accordingly. It is the Koran which glorifies war - and in Sura 2, Ayat 216 encourages the faithful to fight even when they are reluctant to do so. The Koran also mentions a bunch of people known as hypocrites: those who claim to be Muslim but behave like non-Muslims. It occurs to me that this serves as a perfect description of so-called 'moderate Muslims'. A Muslim who seriously opposes the murder of non-Muslims - would effectively cease to be a proper Muslim. To sum up: the problem is not jihad, or fundamentalism. The problem is Islam itself.
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Amzad Hossain
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CalTek2006 wrote: <quoted text>
Over 500 nerve gas missiles/mortars have been found in Iraq. What in the hell are you talking about "no weapons of mass destruction". And your statement about Bush killing more than Saddam is a very stupid statement. Saddam killed over 300 thousand Kurds back in the 1980's alone. The US Military hasn't killed a 1/4 of that much. You are continuing to make yourself look like an idiot that knows nothing of the truth. Again maybe you need to actually read before commenting on a subject that you are completely ignorant of. It's a funny way to ask someone to read report. Do you know what are you talking about? Do you know about the World? I am sure you still believe what the Ameicans, only the Americans believe. Now Americans know that all 14 UN resolutions were wrong because Saddam did not have Weapons of mass destruction.Saddam was given some of it to kill his own people and to kill Iranians,which were used up before the Americans attacked the second time. Around 1990 the world famous magazine The Economist described Saddam built a bullet-proof palace under the ground and the asked the world to believe that.Even I believed simply because Saddam was a mad person and I didn't have so much to know about him. Then again Saddam reiterated that he didn't have Weapons of Mass Destruction, the US didn't believe it despite Saddam's same answers again and again. Now you see what Bush made out of wrong doing. Iraq is destabilized and is prone to be splitted into 3 countries.He killed so many thousands by bombing Iraqi cities and infrastructures at the time of invasion.He brought human catastrophies in Iraq. Why he attacked Iraq instead of looking for Terror Leader Bin Laden? Why he doesn't speak about Laden. Why he talks about democracy instead of Bin Laden and Weapons of Mass Destruction? Now you can tell me who is stupid and why. You claimed as the wiseman and I should believe you are. I am a small person I studied and studied and I cannot tell you to study but I produced thousans of brillian stuidents and some scientists. No one should claim others as stupid as his or her unless he/she study the issue thoroughly. American arrogancy is good for the rest of the world but not for the Americans.
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Amzad Hossain
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Arindam wrote: <quoted text>
The jihadists are actually the truest Muslims out there. They are following the Koran to the letter.
After all, it is the Koran which calls for the slaying of infidels - as in Sura 9 - if they do not submit to Islamic power.
It is the Koran which claims that insulting God and Mohammed are among the worst crimes possible - and deserves to be punished accordingly.
It is the Koran which glorifies war - and in Sura 2, Ayat 216 encourages the faithful to fight even when they are reluctant to do so.
The Koran also mentions a bunch of people known as hypocrites: those who claim to be Muslim but behave like non-Muslims. It occurs to me that this serves as a perfect description of so-called 'moderate Muslims'.
A Muslim who seriously opposes the murder of non-Muslims - would effectively cease to be a proper Muslim.
To sum up: the problem is not jihad, or fundamentalism. The problem is Islam itself. Jihad doen't mean to kill someone, if the person not believe in Muhammad or Quran. Jihad is a struggle for his/her perfection,and not to put people in worst condition or death. People who does not understand Islam use the word to disgrace Islam. I am shocked by the fact that the meaning of jihad has been misinterpreted by many.
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Tanvir
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Watching in the wings wrote: Mohammad was a very weak man who assassinated anyone who insulted him or his religion.
His followers emulate him like God himself.
.... so Muslims do NOT honor Jesus at all.
And this is the clearest evidence of these words being true, the fact that Muslims believe they are supposed to control everyone who disagrees with them and suppress insults, even with murder. You are completely in dark, you have no idea what the truth is, where did you get all those information? Muhammad(s) was never such a person,all knowledgeable persons(even non-muslims) believe that he is the greatest person. And Muslim people do not emulate him like God, every muslim knows the boundary clearly between the God and one prophet. About Jesus, muslim people believes him as one of the prophets, and Muhammad(s) was the last prophet through whom the last and latest relgion/discipline was sent to human. May God Bless you.
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Joined: Apr 17, 2007
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Is it any wonder that Allah seems so ready to suspend Bangladesh from the comity of nations by letting the Bay of Bengal run over it. Hope no one in Bangladesh writes anything derogatory on Nabi Noah who will have his work cut out for him as Bangladesh goes under due to global warming.
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Danniboy
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Arindam wrote: <quoted text>
The jihadists are actually the truest Muslims out there. They are following the Koran to the letter.
After all, it is the Koran which calls for the slaying of infidels - as in Sura 9 - if they do not submit to Islamic power….
To sum up: the problem is not jihad, or fundamentalism. The problem is Islam itself. Not quite true. Surah 9 says all obligations and treaties between muslims and ‘pagans’ are dissolved but a period of grace exists while the obligations still exist. After that period of grace Muslims are to lay in wait for the pagans, besiege them with every device, slay them etc. BUT if they institute regular prayers and alms/charity, then leave them their way free, for Allah is oft forgiving, most merciful. This is not a direction that people must convert to Islam. Regular prayers (Salat) and charity (Zakat) are only two of five obligations for muslims. Surah 9 does not, eg., command that pagans must perform Shahadah – the most important obligation for Muslims (similar to first commandment for Jews/Christians – acknowledging there is no other God but also acknowledging Muhammed as the chief prophet). Also, every Abrahamic religious text glorifies war. See for eg the commandments that all jewish people must burn the cities of idolaters, not take any benefit from it as a city and never to rebuild it as a city (Leviticus ) Technically speaking this REQUIRES all jewish people to destroy every city in Hindu India or Buddhist Asia. See also the various examples of how the Israelites were commanded to wipe entire peoples from the face of the earth (the Midianites, Philistines, Moabites, Kingdom of Zion etc). There is of course much less smiting and killing in the New Testament, but it has its share of blood and guts for glory as well (ie. not trying to bash Judaism here, just pointing out the similarities in these quite ancient documents). Also, the term ‘moderate’ muslim – or ‘moderate’ Christian, Jew or Buddhist – is misleading. Moderate is a political term, it has no meaning in religion before people started politicising Islam. Eg. A moderate democrat or republican is one who does not subscribe too heavily to the dominant ideologies/practices of their group. If applied to a religion it would mean someone who is not particularly devoted to the dominant ideologies/practices of the religion - not someone who is non-violent. Granted, if violence was a dominant ideology of a religion was violence then it could mean a non-violent person. But the dominant ideology of Islam is NOT violence, any more than the dominant ideology of Judaism or Christianity is violence (no a chapter or two does not make a violent ideology dominant). Yes, there are disparate, largely unrelated groups of Islamic extremists that currently, and increasingly, see violence as the way to get their agenda across but this is not representative of the 1.3 billion muslims on earth any more than the Christian groups that firebombed health clinics in the US are representative of Christians. Nor are they the only groups that see violence as the principle means of achieving their agenda – see for example the PNAC statement of principles. Trying to say the root problem of violent Islamic fundamentalism is ‘Islam’ ignores the fact that these groups ARE disparate, quite small and really unpopular with not only the majority of Muslims but the majority of people in their areas. Egyptian Shia, Iraqi Sunni, Indonesian Wahabists and Sudanese guerrillas are NOT related and do NOT fight for the same objectives, despite the fact they may all be violent and may also all subscribe to some version of Islam. Ignoring this variety runs the risk of encouraging these groups to unite and alienating 1.3 billion people that are the greatest allies in addressing the spread of Islamic fundamentalism. We need other allies to fight the rise of Christian fundamentalism ; )
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JRJ
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Danniboy
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JRJ wrote: Wrong. Do not misrepresent this radio article. The article says they found '150 such individual households that had experienced Islam for quite considerable time but then they reverted back’ and certain groups of individuals that have a high reversion rate - ex-convicts and ex-wives of muslims being the two most likely groups. The article even TELLS people not to make generalisations from these results because the people involved were not a random sample. This was a study to focussed on identifying those people most likely to leave Islam and the reasons they do, not a study on the general retention rate of converts to that religion.
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Khans
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Watching in the wings wrote: Mohammad was a very weak man who assassinated anyone who insulted him or his religion.
His followers emulate him like God himself.
So, they believe they MUST go on a rampage when Mohammad is insulted, since this is the example they were given of "perfect character".
Jesus taught, if a man strikes you on the cheek (insult) then offer him your other cheek.
Mohammad did not know Jesus or follow his teachings, so Muslims do NOT honor Jesus at all.
And this is the clearest evidence of these words being true, the fact that Muslims believe they are supposed to control everyone who disagrees with them and suppress insults, even with murder.
Thou shalt not murder. Godly Commandments 101. ----First of all u dont know the meaning of muslim .It means a person who brings peace. being a muslim we are doing our jobs very well we are trying to stop the fight and work for the peace. but If someone try to interfere in it we are supposed to stop it.Secondly,you don't know the history of Islam , It was the religon that brought by Ibrahim sas and then passes by genration to genrations.Jews,christians all have the same teachings like Islam.but as the time passed they forgot their real religions and did alot of changes according to their desires.That's why they don't like Prohphet Muhammud and his teachings.The real Jews and christians of that time realized their mistake and believe on Prophet Mohammud sas. I'm sure u are one of those kind of people who never look up their selves and hurt other people feelings.Because as a humanbeing we are supposed to respect people and their feelings . No matter which relgion you are from.You should learn how to show respect and treat people.My message is for all those people who are encouraging these kinds of books and articles and cartoons.It's my humble request to them ."please stop it".
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saladin
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islam is a religion of all humans! it's dicted by Allah(GOD),islam means=peace Allah called this religion like this. war is a result of humans...
we are the alone responsable...
STOP STOP STOP saying Islam=terrorisme.....!!!!!
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shawn
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All of you need to stop making comment about Islam becuase appreantly non of you don't know anything about islam so stop making comments.
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Arindam
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Danniboy wrote: <quoted text>
Not quite true.
Surah 9 says all obligations and treaties between muslims and ‘pagans’ are dissolved but a period of grace exists while the obligations still exist. After that period of grace Muslims are to lay in wait for the pagans, besiege them with every device, slay them etc.
BUT if they institute regular prayers and alms/charity, then leave them their way free, for Allah is oft forgiving, most merciful. You are referring to the following verse: Surah 9: ayat 5. When the sacred months are over slay the idol-worshippers wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and pay the alms-tax, let them go their way. Allah is forgiving and merciful. But that is not the only verse that commands the subjugation or slaughter of the unbelievers. There is also the following: Surah 9: ayat 29. Fight against such of those to whom the Scriptures were given as believe neither in Allah nor the Last Day, who do not forbid what Allah and His apostle have forbidden, and do not embrace the true faith, until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued. Surah 9: ayat 73. O Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites. Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is Hell, a hapless journey's end. Surah 9: ayat 123. Believers! make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Let them find harshness in you. Danniboy wrote: <quoted text>
But the dominant ideology of Islam is NOT violence, any more than the dominant ideology of Judaism or Christianity is violence (no a chapter or two does not make a violent ideology dominant). Yes, there are disparate, largely unrelated groups of Islamic extremists that currently, and increasingly, see violence as the way to get their agenda across but this is not representative of the 1.3 billion muslims on earth any more than the Christian groups that firebombed health clinics in the US are representative of Christians. Nor are they the only groups that see violence as the principle means of achieving their agenda – see for example the PNAC statement of principles.
Trying to say the root problem of violent Islamic fundamentalism is ‘Islam’ ignores the fact that these groups ARE disparate, quite small and really unpopular with not only the majority of Muslims but the majority of people in their areas. Egyptian Shia, Iraqi Sunni, Indonesian Wahabists and Sudanese guerrillas are NOT related and do NOT fight for the same objectives, despite the fact they may all be violent and may also all subscribe to some version of Islam.
Ignoring this variety runs the risk of encouraging these groups to unite and alienating 1.3 billion people that are the greatest allies in addressing the spread of Islamic fundamentalism. We need other allies to fight the rise of Christian fundamentalism ; ) What you say is interesting, but it misses an important point: it is the fanatics and fundamentalists who have been the key driving force in Islam in the past and present, not least because they can justify their actions using the Koran. Thus, they are able to condemn all Muslims who oppose them as apostates or hypocrites,(the process is known as 'takfir'). I'm not a Christian, but I find the attempt to equate Christian extremists with jihadists a little far-fetched. The latter are considerably more violent, and also more militant. (All Koran quotes are from the following link: http://www.bharatvani.org/books/tcqp/chii1.ht... )
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