Croatia opens race for army modernization

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ZAGREB: Croatia invited Finland's Patria and Austria's Steyr to submit offers for sale of 126 armored personnel carriers to the former Yugoslav republic, state television HTV reported on Friday.
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Since: Feb 09

Melbourne, Australia

#43 Feb 28, 2009
Hey CCCC you piece of shit you actially own up to what you did in Vukovar you cigan, you chetniks smell unshowered dirty, and you can see that in the Docu's I have watched thats why you get called chetniks cigani.
PARAGA

Australia

#44 Mar 2, 2009
Ivica slaps Marica and Marica licks Danica.....who loves pickica - its a croat thing
Sway

Ljubljana, Slovenia

#46 Jul 17, 2009
http://www.google.com/imgres...
Degman is tank based on old t-72 ! and its actualy nothing special lol
Nick

Australia

#47 Aug 27, 2009
The Serbian M-84AS is already in Service they have modernized already 30 of them. The M-84AS is better then the M95 because its basically a T-90S just a bit less armor but is quicker overall and has ARENA and Shorta Defense suite were the Croatian one hasn't. You just have to be real that a Croatian tank cant compete with a Russian one. If i was Croatia i would just upgrade them to M84D standard, the M95 wont reach large number in Croatia. Also the M-84AS cant detect when a laser guided missile is coming or even a TOW and can knock it out with its automatic secondary machine gun or its turret. It will turn its turret fully in 6 seconds. It also has Kontact 5 ERA and is armed also with AT-11 anti tank missile which can defeat 750mm RHA Armour from 6km away. Another thing is you basically downgraded the turret in M-84D and M95 were its not 120mm instead of 125mm, might seem a small difference but its still a difference in war time situation. The thing is you Croats are giving shit to the Bosnian, yes you got further into there nation. But you never got close to Belgrade, Serbia when it was directly involved in the war not supplying arms to the Bosnian, attacked Dubrovnik and all your other coastal cities, also Vukovar which they destroyed and if you haven't forgotten when the 2 Serbian mig 29's fired 80mm rockets on the Croatian parliament when Tudjman was coming out. All above attempts you failed to rappel and considering Zagreb was most guarded area in Croatia you couldn't steer away 2 Mig 29's.
Azhari babikir

Kuwait, Kuwait

#48 Sep 23, 2009
Dear Sir,

We are seeking for a qualified company that could upgrade or modernize M 84 main battle tank which was produced by former Yougslavia. Our project is a great project. If you feel like you are interested in this project, please feed back to us to give to you further details.
Awaiting for your kind reply soon.
Best regards

Azhari M. babikir
Executive Director
Mobk Group, Kuwait
cernobiljsko prase

Belgrade, Serbia

#50 Feb 8, 2010
degman is a tenk 2 class...slow,light armor,medium cannon....NEXT...2 of them in service
King Davorin The Great

Damascus, OR

#51 Jun 5, 2012
About Degman.This vehicle is a further development of the M-84 and M-91 Vihor AKA Whirlwind tank and has been an on-going development. The first noticeable change is the new ERA armour deployed across the front of the turret, hull front & side skirts. It is supplied by the Jewish firm Elbit Systems Ltd and will complement the vehicles laminate armour, believed to contain tungsten and or Titanium. Storage racks are also used at the rear of the turret to act as a crude form of bar armour to protect against HEAT rounds as the vehicles ammo is stored at the rear of the turret.

The vehicle uses a new laser range finder, It has a Racal communications suite which can be connected to a digital battlefield system, and finally a digital battlefield computer developed by Fotona/Končar/&#2 72;uro Đaković. Other technical introductions include the LIRD-4B - laser warning system, which is believed to be tied in with the smoke grenade dischargers. It has a new highly improved SZ-2000 NBC system.

It has a new 1200 hp engine which provides a higher power to weight ratio and new tracks from German firm Diehl BGT Defence. The vehicle has a range of 700 km.

It retains the standard 125mm smoothbore cannon, however a new 120mm compact gun developed by RUAG Defence of Switzerland is being considered, which would enable the tank to fire NATO stand rounds. The vehicle is equipped with a Samson Remote Controlled Weapon Station which can mount either a 12.7mm calibre heavy machine gun or 40mm grenade launcher, supplied by the Jewish firm Rafael Advanced Defense Systems.

Also there is another Croatian tank M-84D.This is an up-graded of the M-84A4 and is less advanced than the new build Degman. There is a lot of speculation from a number of sources as to weather or not the M-95 Degman or the M-84D will be purchased by the Kuwaiti Army and if additional units will be manufactured from scratch for them. This speculation goes hand in hand with what appears to be an endless introduction or proposal of other up-grades such as the RUAG compact smoothbore, rather than a clear line drawn in the sand as to what the Degman/M-84D variant will have and move forward with its production.

The vehicle is equipped with a new 1200 hp engine providing for an operational range of 700 km and a maximum road speed of 70 km/h. It has new RRAK ERA armour and a Samson Remote Controlled Weapon Station. New electronic systems include the Omega ballistic computer, thermal imaging sights and Racal Electronics communication system. The M-84D auto-loader is 15% faster, meaning 9 shells per minute instead of 8 shells.
king tom

Sydney, Australia

#52 Jun 6, 2012
CCCC wrote:
Jebem vam mater ustasku, sve cemo vas jebati sve. Bilo je lijepo u Vukovaru kad smo vas trali, opet cemo.
SRBIJA!
next stop will be belgrade for the cro army,you fcken cowards
stf mad closet case Serb

Netherlands

#53 Jun 6, 2012
Nick wrote:
The Serbian M-84AS is already in Service they have modernized already 30 of them. The M-84AS is better then the M95 because its basically a T-90S just a bit less armor but is quicker overall and has ARENA and Shorta Defense suite were the Croatian one hasn't. You just have to be real that a Croatian tank cant compete with a Russian one. If i was Croatia i would just upgrade them to M84D standard, the M95 wont reach large number in Croatia. Also the M-84AS cant detect when a laser guided missile is coming or even a TOW and can knock it out with its automatic secondary machine gun or its turret. It will turn its turret fully in 6 seconds. It also has Kontact 5 ERA and is armed also with AT-11 anti tank missile which can defeat 750mm RHA Armour from 6km away. Another thing is you basically downgraded the turret in M-84D and M95 were its not 120mm instead of 125mm, might seem a small difference but its still a difference in war time situation. The thing is you Croats are giving shit to the Bosnian, yes you got further into there nation. But you never got close to Belgrade, Serbia when it was directly involved in the war not supplying arms to the Bosnian, attacked Dubrovnik and all your other coastal cities, also Vukovar which they destroyed and if you haven't forgotten when the 2 Serbian mig 29's fired 80mm rockets on the Croatian parliament when Tudjman was coming out. All above attempts you failed to rappel and considering Zagreb was most guarded area in Croatia you couldn't steer away 2 Mig 29's.
Eazy to talk like that when you Got 90% of the YNA equitment and about 75% of the soldiers, very eazy. Once the West lifted the embArgo on Croatia we could build up a army. You Serbs seem to forget that you had al the guns tanks and plans the rest got the leftovers and mad it work. Plus the west(rest of the world) did not want Yugoslavia to.break.up. But waited till the YNA(serboturks) restored order. But sinds you are the missling link between man and ape, you failed at defeating a country without a army, i mean the YNA was on of the most powerfull army's in Europe. Croatia regroup bought weapons and hired people with tactical know how, and crushed the in Croatia, it was 9 miles from Banja Luka wen the usa said it would bomb Croatia if the Croatian army took the city. See NATO didnt help Croatia but helped you little scumbags. Croatian army with the BIH army would have easily invaded Serbia and removed Milosovic from power. You should thank NATO or rater de USA for that cause croatia would have burned Belgrade and you would have suffered a defeat so painfull it would have surpassed The battle against the Turks in Kosovo.

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#55 Dec 23, 2012
right on the money
croats r Turks

Slovenia

#57 Dec 23, 2012
stf mad closet case Serb wrote:
<quoted text>
Eazy to talk like that when you Got 90% of the YNA equitment and about 75% of the soldiers, very eazy. Once the West lifted the embArgo on Croatia we could build up a army. You Serbs seem to forget that you had al the guns tanks and plans the rest got the leftovers and mad it work. Plus the west(rest of the world) did not want Yugoslavia to.break.up. But waited till the YNA(serboturks) restored order. But sinds you are the missling link between man and ape, you failed at defeating a country without a army, i mean the YNA was on of the most powerfull army's in Europe. Croatia regroup bought weapons and hired people with tactical know how, and crushed the in Croatia, it was 9 miles from Banja Luka wen the usa said it would bomb Croatia if the Croatian army took the city. See NATO didnt help Croatia but helped you little scumbags. Croatian army with the BIH army would have easily invaded Serbia and removed Milosovic from power. You should thank NATO or rater de USA for that cause croatia would have burned Belgrade and you would have suffered a defeat so painfull it would have surpassed The battle against the Turks in Kosovo.
1.Serbs didnt have 90% of Yugoslav weapons and 75% of the JNA soldiers
2.USA NATO EU and other western countries saved croatia in 1990s
3.There was no defeat from Serbian side against USA and NATO 1999
4.There was no Serbian defeat 1389
5.croatian and bosnian would not able to invade Serbia.Even if croats would dare to attack Serbia, Serbia will be grave for croats and croatian army.Like the austro hungarian military grave was Kolubara 1914
6.USA NATO EU and other western countries saved croats and croatian army in croatia and then again in bosnia
7.croats was never in Banja Luka and will never be in Banja Luka
8.Serbs should obey Andrija Raseta and destroy the croatia 1990s
9.There was plan how to cut croatia in several pieces how to defeat croats croatian nation croatian army croatian government
grude

Thunder Bay, Canada

#58 Dec 23, 2012
croats r Turks wrote:
<quoted text>
1.Serbs didnt have 90% of Yugoslav weapons and 75% of the JNA soldiers
2.USA NATO EU and other western countries saved croatia in 1990s
3.There was no defeat from Serbian side against USA and NATO 1999
4.There was no Serbian defeat 1389
5.croatian and bosnian would not able to invade Serbia.Even if croats would dare to attack Serbia, Serbia will be grave for croats and croatian army.Like the austro hungarian military grave was Kolubara 1914
6.USA NATO EU and other western countries saved croats and croatian army in croatia and then again in bosnia
7.croats was never in Banja Luka and will never be in Banja Luka
8.Serbs should obey Andrija Raseta and destroy the croatia 1990s
9.There was plan how to cut croatia in several pieces how to defeat croats croatian nation croatian army croatian government
you should have toilet paper close to your face because everytime you speak shit comes out of your mouth
Dr Milan Sufflay

Sydney, Australia

#59 Dec 24, 2012
There is no deversity in Croatian military equipment Air Force & Army. No Jet Trainers only the Pc-9 Turbo Prop. small navy.

S.F.R. Yugoslav army, navy & air force was alot more impressive

Croatia should invest in building up its m.b.t., a.f.v., a.p.c. force & develop an indigenous Jet Trainer for its air force or purchase them from outside

Since: Dec 12

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#60 Dec 24, 2012
Dr Milan Sufflay wrote:
There is no deversity in Croatian military equipment Air Force & Army. No Jet Trainers only the Pc-9 Turbo Prop. small navy.
S.F.R. Yugoslav army, navy & air force was alot more impressive
Croatia should invest in building up its m.b.t., a.f.v., a.p.c. force & develop an indigenous Jet Trainer for its air force or purchase them from outside
PC 9 trainer is all that the Australian air force use,it does the job
reality

Slovenia

#61 Dec 24, 2012
grude wrote:
<quoted text>you should have toilet paper close to your face because everytime you speak shit comes out of your mouth
i see truth is hard for you

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