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Feb 2, 2013
 
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Brilliant!
The best thing that has ever happened to me also happened in the US. I was in Austin watching game 4 of the World Series at a sports bar. I had been drinking there for a few hours and asked the bartender where a good place to go was after the game. He suggested a place called the Mean Eyed Cat, which was a Johnny Cash themed bar.
Sounded pretty awesome so I asked how far away it was - as in, is it walking distance? He said it's to far to walk so I said it's fine cos I'd just get a cab. He insisted that I don't waste my money and handed me his car keys - said he was heading there after his shift with the other bar staff so he'd just get a ride with them and grab his keys back off me when he got there later on.
So I drove his car... after he'd been serving me drinks for a few hours... a complete stranger.
The guy was a champion - but the funny thing is, people in the US (at least in the south) were so hospitable that it kind of just felt normal at the time and didn't come as too big a surprise.
It annoys me when I hear people here bag out Americans when they've clearly never been there! I have lived in Australia all my life and I can honestly say you'd never meet an Australian that would be as trusting and generous as that.
That is true. IN MY OPINION.
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Feb 2, 2013
 
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What's really bad about these practices (besides the obvious) is that it's passed on through generation, I don't understand why women want their girls to go through what they did, they should be making it better. I know for one and most mothers if something tragic was forced on me I wouldn't raise my children the same way I would try and make it better.
My mother is illiterate, she loved going to school but her mother died very young and her dad remarried, so she was living with her grandmother every time pop sent mum to school her gran will go and drag her out by the hair say this is no place for girls Blah blah blah!! So my mother made sure that all four of her kids got the highest education.
Why can't all people think like that, I will never understand how a mother or father can think FGM is good for their daughters.
No, I don't understand it either, but I think it might be about control. Some women don't want to see their daughters or granddaughters have choices they didn't have. It's threatening, perhaps.

So much cruelty. It is despicable.
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Feb 2, 2013
 
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Yeh right seriously I like you, but you just don't see! I have read the Quran and had every verse translated and explained so don't know what your talking about. As for the hadiths well a lot can be said there but I will just say that god has given us a brain for a reason, lets say for arguments sake a Hadith states that I can kill someone that's not Muslim well I'm sure as a Muslim and with the brain god has given me I would say, that doesn't sound right! How can that be true maybe I should do some research and find out. If only people used their brain
And with this you have PRECISELY proved my point that the religion, the koran, the hadiths, the laws, all components of it require CRITICAL THOUGHT and examination leading to REFORMATION.

If you have decided that only muslims are allowed to do this, and you're muslim, then go for it. But you can't expect that if this religion impacts other people who are not muslim that they will not protest and they will not criticize because they will. I WILL. And you can't expect people from rigid authoritarian cultures who come here to 'get it' automatically that not everyone believes as they do and that they CANNOT expect things to be what they're used to.

I'm never going to forget that woman and her photo taking. And I'm never going to forget women protesting their right to be subjugated. And I'm never going to forget FGM is performed IN THIS COUNTRY. And I'm never going to forget a pack of idiots screaming about beheading the "infidel" in Sydney. Never.

I know a lot more than I ever wanted to about repressive, stupid religions and I know enough to want to stamp them out wherever they occur but ESPECIALLY in my own country where they have NO PLACE WHATSOEVER.

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Feb 2, 2013
 
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What's really bad about these practices (besides the obvious) is that it's passed on through generation, I don't understand why women want their girls to go through what they did, they should be making it better. I know for one and most mothers if something tragic was forced on me I wouldn't raise my children the same way I would try and make it better.
My mother is illiterate, she loved going to school but her mother died very young and her dad remarried, so she was living with her grandmother every time pop sent mum to school her gran will go and drag her out by the hair say this is no place for girls Blah blah blah!! So my mother made sure that all four of her kids got the highest education.
Why can't all people think like that, I will never understand how a mother or father can think FGM is good for their daughters.
That is interesting - we tend to think education is the key to progress but as you said, although your mother was prevented from having an education she was determined that her daughters would be educated. Conversely I have met some very educated Muslim women who agree with practices which suppress women - one,(who gave me a book to read to further my understanding), told me women should only leave the home for purposes of work and anything directly concerning the family - shopping etc.
A qualified radiologist, she said that after work a woman should go directly home and never be outside the home for her own 'entertainment'. In addition she said that a woman should never be alone in a room with a male who is unrelated - e.g a male work colleague - she should leave the room until another woman arrives. I found it puzzling that one who was so progressive re educational opportunity, would continue to believe that women have no right to be their own person distinct from family responsibilities.
Another, who has been educated here in Australia, told me that when the time comes, a marriage will be arranged for her daughter to someone living overseas - who will then come here - the little girl is still at primary school and it's sad to think she will have no say in her future marriage - or even a choice as to whether she marries.
These women are lovely people - they are kind and decent, but they have no greater vision for their own daughters than what they have experienced.
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Feb 2, 2013
 
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That is interesting - we tend to think education is the key to progress but as you said, although your mother was prevented from having an education she was determined that her daughters would be educated. Conversely I have met some very educated Muslim women who agree with practices which suppress women - one,(who gave me a book to read to further my understanding), told me women should only leave the home for purposes of work and anything directly concerning the family - shopping etc.
A qualified radiologist, she said that after work a woman should go directly home and never be outside the home for her own 'entertainment'. In addition she said that a woman should never be alone in a room with a male who is unrelated - e.g a male work colleague - she should leave the room until another woman arrives. I found it puzzling that one who was so progressive re educational opportunity, would continue to believe that women have no right to be their own person distinct from family responsibilities.
Another, who has been educated here in Australia, told me that when the time comes, a marriage will be arranged for her daughter to someone living overseas - who will then come here - the little girl is still at primary school and it's sad to think she will have no say in her future marriage - or even a choice as to whether she marries.
These women are lovely people - they are kind and decent, but they have no greater vision for their own daughters than what they have experienced.
How can you come up with such boring posts. They're so long yet, in all that text you still manage to make no real point.
You really suck.
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Feb 2, 2013
 
sairla wrote:
<quoted text> Another, who has been educated here in Australia, told me that when the time comes, a marriage will be arranged for her daughter to someone living overseas - who will then come here - the little girl is still at primary school and it's sad to think she will have no say in her future marriage - or even a choice as to whether she marries.
How nice for everyone concerned. And her marriage will be arranged with a muslim from where? When she's what - just reached puberty and can begin to breed?

How terribly multicultural of her.

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Feb 2, 2013
 
yeah right wrote:
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How nice for everyone concerned. And her marriage will be arranged with a muslim from where? When she's what - just reached puberty and can begin to breed?
How terribly multicultural of her.
The way she explained it to me, by arranging a marriage for their daughter, they are ensuring she will have the best partner possible - that they are acting in her best interests. Arranged marriages have occurred in many cultures - the wealthy 'blue-bloods' of England also arranged marriages for their children - but this is no longer the case - we each have the right to make our own decisions about whom we marry, or if we marry and take responsibility for our own choices.
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Feb 2, 2013
 
sairla wrote:
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The way she explained it to me, by arranging a marriage for their daughter, they are ensuring she will have the best partner possible - that they are acting in her best interests. Arranged marriages have occurred in many cultures - the wealthy 'blue-bloods' of England also arranged marriages for their children - but this is no longer the case - we each have the right to make our own decisions about whom we marry, or if we marry and take responsibility for our own choices.
Arranged marriages are a cultural tradition not linked necessarily with relgion or modern western values.
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Feb 2, 2013
 
Is this Bam trying to stir up crap on a Ritchlands topix
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Feb 2, 2013
 
yeah right wrote:
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How nice for everyone concerned. And her marriage will be arranged with a muslim from where? When she's what - just reached puberty and can begin to breed?
How terribly multicultural of her.
Yeah right, this blair and natalie are either the same person or a couple of trolls working together, notice natalie appears out of the blue in #823, posts 829 and 851 give it away, 829 [get a muslim sheikh to explain it], wouldn't you get a muslim cleric not a sheikh, and 851[ had every verse translated and explained ] every verse explained, by whom, to an infidel, I think not.
Start at #829 and read blairs and natalies posts, see if you agree with me.
I have never met a Muslim that condones these actions.#823
I wish everyone was like you Blair.#826
Seriously guys just ignore him, all children stop after being ignored #828
If you really want to know and I'm being honest go and get a proper Muslim Sheikh to explain it and if you don't #829
If I had the time I will copy, paste and explain each verse to you because I people like you make me sad #829
I have never met a Muslim that condones these actions.#823
Listen mate I lived and worked in 5!!#832
No it's not! Once again get your facts and try again #833
if it wasn't for the profits grave and mecca being there #836
Quran do not have those teachings you talk about.#841
That's it I have given up on Sid #842 Answer to blairs post.
If it were me I would declare it treason, strip her of her citizenship and send her back, on a boat not a plane #843 bullshit answer, no comment on taqiyya
all bullshit#850
I will never understand how a mother or father can think FGM is good for their daughters.#850 Totally unrealistc response for a woman talking about FGM
Yeh right seriously I like you, but you just don't see! I have read the Quran and had every verse translated and explained so don't know what your talking about.#851
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Feb 2, 2013
 
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Yeah right, this blair and natalie are either the same person or a couple of trolls working together, notice natalie appears out of the blue in #823, posts 829 and 851 give it away, 829 [get a muslim sheikh to explain it], wouldn't you get a muslim cleric not a sheikh, and 851[ had every verse translated and explained ] every verse explained, by whom, to an infidel, I think not.
Start at #829 and read blairs and natalies posts, see if you agree with me.
I have never met a Muslim that condones these actions.#823
I wish everyone was like you Blair.#826
Seriously guys just ignore him, all children stop after being ignored #828
If you really want to know and I'm being honest go and get a proper Muslim Sheikh to explain it and if you don't #829
If I had the time I will copy, paste and explain each verse to you because I people like you make me sad #829
I have never met a Muslim that condones these actions.#823
Listen mate I lived and worked in 5!!#832
No it's not! Once again get your facts and try again #833
if it wasn't for the profits grave and mecca being there #836
Quran do not have those teachings you talk about.#841
That's it I have given up on Sid #842 Answer to blairs post.
If it were me I would declare it treason, strip her of her citizenship and send her back, on a boat not a plane #843 bullshit answer, no comment on taqiyya
all bullshit#850
I will never understand how a mother or father can think FGM is good for their daughters.#850 Totally unrealistc response for a woman talking about FGM
Yeh right seriously I like you, but you just don't see! I have read the Quran and had every verse translated and explained so don't know what your talking about.#851
Well - people can agree with one another. And ideas can be challenged whether they're the same person or not - to be honest I don't much care "who" they are, or whether or not they're the same person ;)

But it is getting tiring when the definitions shift and change to suit whatever, whomever.
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Feb 2, 2013
 
Anyone wheather a non white parasite immigrant invader or left do-gooder race traitor such as Blair is that is Anti Racist= you are Anti white!!
anti= against!!
Blair

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Feb 2, 2013
 

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First, the UAE is not a democracy.
Second the definition of 'multiculturalism' is either normative or descriptive. You can't have your cake and eat it, it's either one or the other.
You describe Australia as normative multiculturalism, then try to apply this to the UAE. Obviously it isn't the same. In the UAE the notion of 'multiculturalism' is descriptive. Gays, women, people of colour are NOT treated equally and there is no policy that allows for difference.
If you knew what you were talking about you'd know that the UAE does NOT treat people equally. There are laws for the 'locals' and laws for everyone else. The pay structure is different and what you neglect to understand is that the majority of the population exists to SERVICE the 'native' population. They need a lot of servicing to keep the class structure intact.
Again, live there, open your eyes, your idealism is not reality no matter how much you'd like it to be.
2 of my best friends lived there for 7 years and I visited them a number of times - they only just got back. They didn't 'service' the locals, they worked as consultants... highly paid ones... yes there were cultural challenges, but that is to be expected. Why does a multicultural society need to be democratic? They are mutually exclusive, in my view. The important thing is, they allow other races and the practice of other religions. There is even infrastructure to support them. That's multiculturalism!

What you are having a go at is UAE cultures, which is an entirely different conversation. The fact is, the UAE is classified as a multicultural society.
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The way she explained it to me, by arranging a marriage for their daughter, they are ensuring she will have the best partner possible - that they are acting in her best interests. Arranged marriages have occurred in many cultures - the wealthy 'blue-bloods' of England also arranged marriages for their children - but this is no longer the case - we each have the right to make our own decisions about whom we marry, or if we marry and take responsibility for our own choices.
First, ignore any posters named 'Blair' that don't have their location as Canberra, Australia - it's just a troll, likely Beady.

Second, I have an interesting theory on marriage. It is actually a relatively modern concept to marry for love - marriages used to be based on, I guess you could say,'economics'.

Wives were selected to be good mothers and home builders and husbands were selected to be good earners. Marriages weren't based on love and people were happy and divorce was never a consideration.

Now people want to marry for 'love'... and people fall in and out of love all the time, hence the sharp rises in divorce rates. In most cases, love isn't everlasting, and people experience disappointment when they realise their partner isn't everything they once made them out to be.

So, is this relatively modern concept of marriage a good thing? I'm not saying it's NOT a good thing, but it's at least worth thinking about - we whine about the right to marry for love, yet this is only a modern concept and the entire definition of what marriage is for has changed in only the last 100 or so years.
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Yeah right, this blair and natalie are either the same person or a couple of trolls working together, notice natalie appears out of the blue in #823, posts 829 and 851 give it away, 829 [get a muslim sheikh to explain it], wouldn't you get a muslim cleric not a sheikh, and 851[ had every verse translated and explained ] every verse explained, by whom, to an infidel, I think not.
Start at #829 and read blairs and natalies posts, see if you agree with me.
I have never met a Muslim that condones these actions.#823
I wish everyone was like you Blair.#826
Seriously guys just ignore him, all children stop after being ignored #828
If you really want to know and I'm being honest go and get a proper Muslim Sheikh to explain it and if you don't #829
If I had the time I will copy, paste and explain each verse to you because I people like you make me sad #829
I have never met a Muslim that condones these actions.#823
Listen mate I lived and worked in 5!!#832
No it's not! Once again get your facts and try again #833
if it wasn't for the profits grave and mecca being there #836
Quran do not have those teachings you talk about.#841
That's it I have given up on Sid #842 Answer to blairs post.
If it were me I would declare it treason, strip her of her citizenship and send her back, on a boat not a plane #843 bullshit answer, no comment on taqiyya
all bullshit#850
I will never understand how a mother or father can think FGM is good for their daughters.#850 Totally unrealistc response for a woman talking about FGM
Yeh right seriously I like you, but you just don't see! I have read the Quran and had every verse translated and explained so don't know what your talking about.#851
Are you serious?

A word of advice: never take up a job that requires any investigative skills!
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Feb 2, 2013
 
REAL WHITE AUSSIE wrote:
Anyone wheather a non white parasite immigrant invader or left do-gooder race traitor such as Blair is that is Anti Racist= you are Anti white!!
anti= against!!
Thank you for your intelligent and well thought out contribution.
Blair

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Feb 2, 2013
 
Blair wrote:
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First, ignore any posters named 'Blair' that don't have their location as Canberra, Australia - it's just a troll, likely Beady.
Second, I have an interesting theory on marriage. It is actually a relatively modern concept to marry for love - marriages used to be based on, I guess you could say,'economics'.
Wives were selected to be good mothers and home builders and husbands were selected to be good earners. Marriages weren't based on love and people were happy and divorce was never a consideration.
Now people want to marry for 'love'... and people fall in and out of love all the time, hence the sharp rises in divorce rates. In most cases, love isn't everlasting, and people experience disappointment when they realise their partner isn't everything they once made them out to be.
So, is this relatively modern concept of marriage a good thing? I'm not saying it's NOT a good thing, but it's at least worth thinking about - we whine about the right to marry for love, yet this is only a modern concept and the entire definition of what marriage is for has changed in only the last 100 or so years.
EDIT: I guess I'm just saying that we're now trying to associate love with an institution that was never really based on love. Maybe the problem, then, is we need to modernise our concept of marriage - maybe, if we're going to base partnership on love alone, we do away with the idea of one solitary partner 'until death do us part' and adopt a much more liberal and far less permanent view of partnership?
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2 of my best friends lived there for 7 years and I visited them a number of times - they only just got back. They didn't 'service' the locals, they worked as consultants... highly paid ones... yes there were cultural challenges, but that is to be expected. Why does a multicultural society need to be democratic? They are mutually exclusive, in my view. The important thing is, they allow other races and the practice of other religions. There is even infrastructure to support them. That's multiculturalism!
What you are having a go at is UAE cultures, which is an entirely different conversation. The fact is, the UAE is classified as a multicultural society.
Bullsh*t. Everyone who works there services the locals. That's what they're hired to do. They do not 'allow' other races and cultures to exist. They hire them for cheap labour and to do things they can't do themselves or don't want to do; design a building, build that building, drive a taxi, clean a house, cook a meal, teach a class etc etc etc... It is not a democracy, it is a theocratic monarchy.

Why does a multicultural society need to be democratic? If you (again) use the definition of multicultural to imply that a multicultural society is 'normative' then the culture must treat all people equally, including those 'outside' or on the fringes from those who wield power. This is obviously not the case in the UAE and if you'd spent any time there outside your well-fed white well-paid bubble you'd know that. It is only 'classified' as a multicultural society because it is using the term descriptively, in order to describe the multitude that services the tiny minority who own it.
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Feb 2, 2013
 
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EDIT: I guess I'm just saying that we're now trying to associate love with an institution that was never really based on love. Maybe the problem, then, is we need to modernise our concept of marriage - maybe, if we're going to base partnership on love alone, we do away with the idea of one solitary partner 'until death do us part' and adopt a much more liberal and far less permanent view of partnership?
I am your new stepdaddy and you are grounded until your pimples clear up!
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Feb 2, 2013
 
I don't really know much about marriage because I am a poof.

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