Is Australia afraid of China?

Created by amp on Jan 27, 2013

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#196 Feb 2, 2013
Foo wrote:
<quoted text>Which is exactly why there should be financial disincentives for speculating on property , in particular, housing.....financial incentives for people to invest in smallto medium manufacturing business's is a far better option.....but the banks knock that on the head whenever the subject is raised......there is massive opportunities to make good money investing in Aus manufacturing , but people stay with status quo , and take the lazy option.....the smarter people are doing it , and will eventually benefit far more than property speculators......
Good luck with that. I will take the slow and easy way thanks

“Fair & Balanced”

Since: Jul 12

wherever there's a mine

#197 Feb 2, 2013
Foo wrote:
<quoted text>Which is exactly why there should be financial disincentives for speculating on property , in particular, housing.....financial incentives for people to invest in smallto medium manufacturing business's is a far better option.....but the banks knock that on the head whenever the subject is raised......there is massive opportunities to make good money investing in Aus manufacturing , but people stay with status quo , and take the lazy option.....the smarter people are doing it , and will eventually benefit far more than property speculators......
69% of houses are owner occupied. Seems a lot of people have no problem affording to buy a family home. 80% of people over 65 own a home so you cut prices in half who are you hurting? Those about to retires.

And if there was money to be made in investing in anything people would be doing it. And Foo the reason Australia is going broke is people won't do sh1t without an incentive? Whats with that? Car companies want incentives to stay. Virgin wants incentive to stay in QLD. Gina won't build a new mine without incentives. Greens want incentives to preference Labor. F#cking BS.

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs @.nsf/Lookup/1301.0Main+Featur es1292012
Foo

Goodna, Australia

#198 Feb 2, 2013
Blair wrote:
arsestralia arsetralia arsestralia
......(lol)......chernoble chernoble chernoble.......eat those chernoble veges !!!!.....(lol)
Blair

Cherkassy, Ukraine

#199 Feb 2, 2013
Tasmaniac wrote:
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You have to do what you have to do. The world doesn't owe us anything. You work out what you need and you go get it. There are plenty of people who would like to have the chance to live here and make something of them self instead of settling for mediocrity
But many cant because the government mostly only lets scum and que jumping fake refugees come here.
Foo

Goodna, Australia

#200 Feb 2, 2013
Tasmaniac wrote:
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You have to do what you have to do. The world doesn't owe us anything. You work out what you need and you go get it. There are plenty of people who would like to have the chance to live here and make something of them self instead of settling for mediocrity
maybe so , but it's a matter of balance....money is important , but it's not the be all and end all.....quality of life is far harder to attain than money.....it can,t be just "bought" or given.....
Foo

Goodna, Australia

#201 Feb 2, 2013
Blair wrote:
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But many cant because the government mostly only lets scum and que jumping fake refugees come here.
are you refering to Australia or Chernoble ?
Foo

Goodna, Australia

#203 Feb 2, 2013
chefboy812 wrote:
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69% of houses are owner occupied. Seems a lot of people have no problem affording to buy a family home. 80% of people over 65 own a home so you cut prices in half who are you hurting?
Ok , so over 30% of Australia's residential houses are owned by people who don't live in them ? that just short of 1/3 ! tax the fuckers!!!!!!....and your trying to tell me that people over 65, who own their home , need to sell it to get money to live on ? It would make no difference whatsoever to them what the $$$ value of their home is......it's their home FFS, not their income.....(lol)
Foo

Goodna, Australia

#204 Feb 2, 2013
House prices should drop , and I think they will.........anyone sitting on investment houses should unload them if they can soon....before they drop too much.....if you don't have enough equity , maybe the bank manager will soon be a-knockin" with his hand out !

“Fair & Balanced”

Since: Jul 12

wherever there's a mine

#205 Feb 2, 2013
Foo wrote:
<quoted text>Ok , so over 30% of Australia's residential houses are owned by people who don't live in them ? that just short of 1/3 ! tax the fuckers!!!!!!....and your trying to tell me that people over 65, who own their home , need to sell it to get money to live on ? It would make no difference whatsoever to them what the $$$ value of their home is......it's their home FFS, not their income.....(lol)
69% owner occupied. 7.5% public housing. So we are talking less than 1 in 4 people in private rental accomm (seems low but thats what ABS says).
How many people own 1 or 2 other rental properties as part of their future retirement? You going to "tax those fuckers!!!!" for wanting a good retirement & devalue their properties by half?

Your 70 bought your home 30 years ago & now is worth $700k say. Your going to cut the value in half =$350k. You going to cut the cost of aged care in half because now their $350k poorer they can't afford a managed private retirement village on the Gold Coast or buy a new car & van & travel Asutralia? What if they need a hip replacement - instead of paying $20k to get it done quickly & privately they now have to wait years in the public health system. Not every old person leaves their home in a will dumb@rse. Their retirement is the sale of the home dumb@rse because compulsory super hasn't been around that long. You saved & bought a house when I started working. And you planned to retire at 60 & live comfortably another 20 years. How much does that cost these days?$600k?? Yeah how many people have $600k without selling their home?

BTW You going to re-imburse all hard working home owners who've been paying rates, mortgages, insurance on properties you now devalue by half? So your going to force all people to be reliant on welfare, government aged accommodation just so a small % of Australians don't feel bad they can't afford to buy a house.

How about instead of being another socialist dumb!rse of dragging 90% of the population down to the sh!t level like in USA why don't you work out how to elevate the poor 10% to a better life. Scrap negative gearing. GST on more than 5 houses. Stop government waste, lower immigration. Spend the money on building cheap houses that the government can sell to the poor they can repay over 30 years from their welfare (read on other post - done in victoria?). Build more public housing. Kick people of welfare at 9 months & into a compulsory job. Fix the tax system so it's not a farcking joke. Even treasury says it looses $18b/yr in legal tax minimisation.

FFS you vote for Labor that sends $5,000 per Australian living in poverty overseas and you got the balls to blame private people for being successful.$5,000 per Australian living in poverty on Pink Batts.
Foo

Goodna, Australia

#206 Feb 2, 2013
chefboy812 wrote:
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69% owner occupied. 7.5% public housing. So we are talking less than 1 in 4 people in private rental accomm (seems low but thats what ABS says).
I think , if you dug a bit deeper , you would find those figures are a little outdated........by the very least , I estimate they are pre 2000........that's pre GFC........the landscape has been re-arranged.......(lol)
sid

Brisbane, Australia

#207 Feb 2, 2013
In the 2012 financial year Australia spent $4.8 billion on aid, almost a quarter of which went to Papua New Guinea and the Pacific.
Australia's Foreign Minister, Bob Carr, says the report shows the aid program is working well and getting value-for-money.
http://www.radioaustralia.net.au/internationa...

If oversea aid was suspended for one year 16,000 houses at a cost of $300,000 each could be built or bought. australian housing problem solved in one year
sid

Brisbane, Australia

#208 Feb 2, 2013
These are old figures but give a bit of breakdown of australian aid in the last few years.

Looking forward, Australia will spend at least $1.6 billion improving the health of women and children over the next five years under the UN Secretary-Generalís Global Strategy for Womenís and Childrenís Health. We will also provide 1.2 million people in Southern Africa with safe water and sanitation by 2015 and will train more than 2,200 midwives and other health workers in East Africa by 2015.

Australia will have spent around $600 million helping developing countries deal with climate change between 2010 and 2012. Around half of Australiaís funding is for mitigation, helping developing countries reduce their emissions and lay the foundation for the action needed to limit global temperature change. We will also increase crop productivity on 500,000 small African farms within 10 years.

In July 2010 and again this year, we helped Pakistan deal with widespread flooding. The Australian Government quickly committed $75 million for food, shelter, clean water and sanitation. We also sent a 180 strong civilian and military medical response team that treated more than 11,000 patients in central Punjab.
We also know about the terrible consequences of drought and responded quickly and generously to the crisis in the Horn of Africa, with almost $100 million for immediate relief and $30 million for the regionís long term food security.
Delivering aid through multilateral organisations allows us to coordinate efforts better, benefit from these organisationsí specialist expertise and extends our reach and impact, particularly in geographic areas where we may have a limited presence on the ground. In 2010Ė11, AusAID committed approximately $637 million to 11 different United Nations agencies, including multi-year core funding.

http://www.ausaid.gov.au/Publications/Pages/9...
sid

Brisbane, Australia

#209 Feb 2, 2013
looks like the UN runs the australian oversea aid program
inthenow

Australia

#210 Feb 2, 2013
Foo wrote:
<quoted text>maybe so , but it's a matter of balance....money is important , but it's not the be all and end all.....quality of life is far harder to attain than money.....it can,t be just "bought" or given.....
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#211 Feb 2, 2013
Foo wrote:
<quoted text>maybe so , but it's a matter of balance....money is important , but it's not the be all and end all.....quality of life is far harder to attain than money.....it can,t be just "bought" or given.....
So you settle for having less than you need, yet have ill feelings toward people who aren't stupid enough to do that. Does that make sense to you? It's your kind of mindset which is ruining this country. Making excuses for people who can't help themselves. If you can't make a few dollars in this country you need a bullet between your eyes.

I am ashamed to see how wogs have already outdone us after only one generation.

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#212 Feb 2, 2013
Foo wrote:
House prices should drop , and I think they will.........anyone sitting on investment houses should unload them if they can soon....before they drop too much.....if you don't have enough equity , maybe the bank manager will soon be a-knockin" with his hand out !
This post is utter crap. If the economy is so screwed that house prices ever drop, that will be the least of our concerns..
Blair

Rochester, NY

#213 Feb 2, 2013
House prices are indeed far to high.
Paying higher prices than most euro cities just to live in this crap hole is wrong.
Then they limit the amount of new land opened up for development while increasing the amount of turd immigration each year... its a scam.
This is how shit like clive fat palmer get rich.

“Fair & Balanced”

Since: Jul 12

wherever there's a mine

#214 Feb 2, 2013
Foo wrote:
<quoted text>I think , if you dug a bit deeper , you would find those figures are a little outdated........by the very least , I estimate they are pre 2000........that's pre GFC........the landscape has been re-arranged.......(lol)
Foo if you check the link it was 2006 ABS report with 2010 data upgrades for some information. I assume the 2012 census data is due for release soon & give a better picture.
larry

Essendon, Australia

#215 Feb 2, 2013
chefboy812 wrote:
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69% of houses are owner occupied. Seems a lot of people have no problem affording to buy a family home. 80% of people over 65 own a home so you cut prices in half who are you hurting? Those about to retires.
And if there was money to be made in investing in anything people would be doing it. And Foo the reason Australia is going broke is people won't do sh1t without an incentive? Whats with that? Car companies want incentives to stay. Virgin wants incentive to stay in QLD. Gina won't build a new mine without incentives. Greens want incentives to preference Labor. F#cking BS.
http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs @.nsf/Lookup/1301.0Main+Featur es1292012
Anyone employed can become unemployed and anyone unemployed can become employed on the tides of change which can change daily,, rodriguez showed theres class in in the poor class the chinese did too, it was poor people in china who were unemployed who were given opportunities who became successful factory owners,supervisors, company execs , managers

rodriguez the poor mans poet had his own experiences of being poor and a victim of a richer exploitewr he wrote the song cause which became a rock classic
jack

Essendon, Australia

#216 Feb 2, 2013
chefboy812 wrote:
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69% of houses are owner occupied. Seems a lot of people have no problem affording to buy a family home. 80% of people over 65 own a home so you cut prices in half who are you hurting? Those about to retires.
And if there was money to be made in investing in anything people would be doing it. And Foo the reason Australia is going broke is people won't do sh1t without an incentive? Whats with that? Car companies want incentives to stay. Virgin wants incentive to stay in QLD. Gina won't build a new mine without incentives. Greens want incentives to preference Labor. F#cking BS.
http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs @.nsf/Lookup/1301.0Main+Featur es1292012
The labour party wastes money bigtime, like on the new parenting payments, and babybonus which only help women and working families who are already highly paid., these things are luxuries that were not necessary and increased the financial class system in australia further, as well as the huge wastes of money on foreign aid and refugees, who should of been turned back not helped here and housed and fed like labour has done.

under howards libs australia had paid of massive debt form hawks and keatings era and under rudd and gillard australia is in big debt again.

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