Is Australia afraid of China?

Is Australia afraid of China?

Created by amp on Jan 27, 2013

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Foo

Carindale, Australia

#1 Jan 27, 2013
(lol)
dayra

Maylands, Australia

#2 Jan 28, 2013
They are going to screw us sooner or Later.
If they are not stupid like Hitler was they may be able to reach us before any of the Major Powers are able to Interfere. We think this is part of their over all strategy to be honest.

They still have some work to do before they start any major offensive. So in the mean time most of us are safe. The statistics are phenomenal though. The rate at which they have crippled the US economy, took over its industries and now are starting to challenge the Military of the USA is frighting. Remember that nobody wants a nuclear war so any problems are going to be under the Nuclear Threshold.

How might this affect the Australian Way of Life?
The same way it has in the USA, some will benefit however most will not. How long before they establish special economic zones here were we end up working for them. They are becoming the new masters of the world. See below for all the reasons why.

This is the end for the West. This is the Red Dawn.

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/d...
Screw The UN

Krasnoyarsk, Russia

#3 Jan 28, 2013
The Australian government is frightened of its own people and absolutely terrorfied of any other country. Australia is the most easily pushed around nation there is.
dayra

Maylands, Australia

#4 Jan 28, 2013
Screw The UN wrote:
The Australian government is frightened of its own people and absolutely terrorfied of any other country. Australia is the most easily pushed around nation there is.
It was good while it lasted.
Screw The UN

Krasnoyarsk, Russia

#6 Jan 28, 2013
The Australian politicians are just trying to suck up to the chinese and UN now, trying to save their own asses when the chinese invade.

If they were genuine about protecting Australia, they would be building a nuclear deterent.
dayra

Maylands, Australia

#7 Jan 28, 2013
The UK and the US have nuclear submarines.
Australia is part of this twisted arrangement.
More so by virtue of the Nominal ownership of Australia by her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second of England. Secondly by virtue of the ANZUS treaty.
Nuclear deterrence in either of these cases has failed to stop the spread of China so far.
While we have the Uranium resources I am 100% assured by the Greens party that there is no chance we will get a nuclear reactor even for energy anytime soon so no chance of even making a Nuke on the sly like Iran has done.

Notably nobody has eaten any children here in Australia today which is more than I can say for Isolated North Korea.

Agreed however is how it looks like Rich Australians are trying to save their own way of life by encouraging China to make them richer. Australia will end up like America is now and probably continue down that same path. This is part in parcel of China's rise.

An Invasion by China is not likely anytime soon. Politicians do not think that far ahead either. All they are concerned with is their 2 term governments and making sure they last the full 2 terms. Thats what they do after all.
dumb pansy politicians

Australia

#8 Jan 28, 2013
China is undergoing a massive boom in military construction. It's blue water navy rapidly forming. All levels are booming though - land, air, sea, space.

China's rapid militarisation scares the fark out of NEARLY ALL its neighbours, wider Asia, the Pacific and Australia. A good nuclear deterrent can rectify the situation. Everyone can then relax and just enjoy the trade.

So far our politicians don't give a damn about the high probability that east Asia will go on the warpath again. It's hope for the best and DON'T plan for the worst.
Screw The UN

Krasnoyarsk, Russia

#9 Jan 28, 2013
if australia did make a nuke it would take 50 years and be 200 times over budget and probably not work. i dont have any faith in australia really. but they could use it to blow up canberra or fire it scotland, i f-ing hate bagpipe music.
dayra

Maylands, Australia

#10 Jan 28, 2013
Ah right so your a bit tipsy then after the long weekend. Not much of a boozer myself mind you.

Well ok then you know we still have the Constitution Act. You should know that the UK War ships need no invitation to enter Australian waters and Ports. They carry Trident Missiles made on licence from Lockheed Martin company. Even if we voted to become a Republic that might change, however I think the general friendship we have with the UK would stand. Not to sure about the Yanks. They have in the Past used Nuclear deterrence first strike doctrine on China and Russia. Were quite good friends with the US so I think we might be covered under the US nuclear umbrella. Though its like the Philippines or Japan as far as either the Brits or the Yanks go. This is Australia, this is our country. So like the Japs need the US to feel secure from China but they wont put up with any shit from them either. Or the Philippines who despise the yanks, will call on them to deal with China, but will take action when that goes wrong, such as suing the ship master who put Waste into Subic Bay from the ships that are docking there again after that relationship broke down after world war 2. or how they are investigating the accident when the Mine ship recently crashed on that reef, and are planning on giving the US navy a fine for that.

However the new thing is all about fighting under the nuclear threshold. It might seem dangerous but since ww2 no one has nuked anyone despite all the threats. Yet there have been so many wars since then including the one going on through Pakistan which is believed by some to be the hub of islamic extremism. Russia went through it. I wonder if I make the mistake that your going through a proxy. Your one of those illiterate english immigrants arent you.

You remember the Handshake at the Elbe.
dumb pansy politicians

Brookvale, Australia

#11 Jan 28, 2013
We should have kept our nuclear program going from 50s and 60s. It was USA that assured us we didn't need it. That was true. But, what if our USA friend can't help us, due to other problems? Japan caught us with our pants down because UK was incapable of maintaining its Far East defences.

Nukes. It will take a while to make such weapons. I suggest politicians who aren't screwed in the head, advocate the entire weapon infrastructure purchase from UK and US. Land, sea, air nuke capability. Get moving, to preserve the peace and good times.

Who gives a flying crap about cutting the budget for other frivolities for a while. We are extremely rich. It's a disgrace that a country this rich hasn't got amongst the best air, sea, land defence systems going.

To hell with the Greens and the clueless far Left fools in the Labor party.
dayra

Maylands, Australia

#13 Jan 28, 2013
dumb pansy politicians wrote:
We should have kept our nuclear program going from 50s and 60s. It was USA that assured us we didn't need it. That was true. But, what if our USA friend can't help us, due to other problems? Japan caught us with our pants down because UK was incapable of maintaining its Far East defences.
Nukes. It will take a while to make such weapons. I suggest politicians who aren't screwed in the head, advocate the entire weapon infrastructure purchase from UK and US. Land, sea, air nuke capability. Get moving, to preserve the peace and good times.
Who gives a flying crap about cutting the budget for other frivolities for a while. We are extremely rich. It's a disgrace that a country this rich hasn't got amongst the best air, sea, land defence systems going.
To hell with the Greens and the clueless far Left fools in the Labor party.
Yeah this is one option. I am sure some people in Austrlia would like that comfort right now with the mess in the US and UK. We faired alot better than they have in recent times right? So we should have some kind of defence against them in said case of treachery.

I love my trips in the great outdoors. You should know that.
Love my fishing. Love my nights under the stars in the warm breeze by the beach. You should know that. Not happy about the environment being threatened at all. Time to head back into Hell and think about this.

4081
huh

Brookvale, Australia

#14 Jan 28, 2013
dayra wrote:
<quoted text>Yeah this is one option. I am sure some people in Austrlia would like that comfort right now with the mess in the US and UK. We faired alot better than they have in recent times right? So we should have some kind of defence against them in said case of treachery.

I love my trips in the great outdoors. You should know that.
Love my fishing. Love my nights under the stars in the warm breeze by the beach. You should know that. Not happy about the environment being threatened at all. Time to head back into Hell and think about this.

4081
Your first paragraph is total rubbish. Oz needs nukes to ward off the rising militancy of Asia, if our American friends run into problems at home (can't keep it's defence pact with us).

Enjoy the great outdoors while you can.
dayra

Maylands, Australia

#15 Jan 28, 2013
Yep nothing like Sunrise and Fishing of the rock walls. You break out the bait and cut it up, whack it on the hook and wait to strike if any little big fish has the balls to try it. And its nice this time of year if nothing even takes the bait. Maybe Ill see you out there.

Not sure about this whole nuke idea. You could try being a republic first so you can justify the need to protect your independence.

Most of the Nations with nukes have them to ward off invasion.

Australian Ninja INC.

4306
huh

Brookvale, Australia

#16 Jan 28, 2013
dayra wrote:
Not sure about this whole nuke idea. You could try being a republic first so you can justify the need to protect your independence.
No. That's the foolhardy way towards acquiring nukes. Be better off strengthening our alliances instead with Australian nuclear enhancement. Better for all.
dayra wrote:
Most of the Nations with nukes have them to ward off invasion.
That is precisely the point. Then you can fish in peace.
Foo

Carindale, Australia

#17 Jan 28, 2013
dayra wrote:
They are going to screw us sooner or Later.
If they are not stupid like Hitler was they may be able to reach us before any of the Major Powers are able to Interfere. We think this is part of their over all strategy to be honest.
They still have some work to do before they start any major offensive. So in the mean time most of us are safe. The statistics are phenomenal though. The rate at which they have crippled the US economy, took over its industries and now are starting to challenge the Military of the USA is frighting. Remember that nobody wants a nuclear war so any problems are going to be under the Nuclear Threshold.
How might this affect the Australian Way of Life?
The same way it has in the USA, some will benefit however most will not. How long before they establish special economic zones here were we end up working for them. They are becoming the new masters of the world. See below for all the reasons why.
This is the end for the West. This is the Red Dawn.
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/d...
Are you on drugs ?.....(lol)....if the US dismantled 90% of their nuclear capability , they would still have enough to wipe China out totally , with plenty left over.....meanwhile China can't build a frypan that lasts much longer than 6 months.......you can work the rest out for yourself........
Soul rebel

Nollamara, Australia

#18 Jan 28, 2013
Foo wrote:
<quoted text>Are you on drugs ?.....(lol)....if the US dismantled 90% of their nuclear capability , they would still have enough to wipe China out totally , with plenty left over.....meanwhile China can't build a frypan that lasts much longer than 6 months.......you can work the rest out for yourself........
China doesn't care about Australia. The whole world apart from NZ thinks Australians are like Paul Hogan and drink fosters while we ride kangaroos to work.

We're not a player on the world stage.

Yes we export a lot to china but its a drop in a bucket to them.

Chinas main concern is North Korea and Japan. Military wise,

Economically it views India as its main threat as India is becoming the manufacturers nation.
dayra

Maylands, Australia

#19 Jan 28, 2013
Foo wrote:
<quoted text>Are you on drugs ?.....(lol)....if the US dismantled 90% of their nuclear capability , they would still have enough to wipe China out totally , with plenty left over.....meanwhile China can't build a frypan that lasts much longer than 6 months.......you can work the rest out for yourself........
The following are 44 more signs of how dominant the economy of China has become...

1. A Chinese firm recently made a $2.6 billion offer to buy movie theater chain AMC.

2. A different Chinese firm made a $1.8 billion offer to buy aircraft maker Hawker Beechcraft.

3. In December it was announced that a Chinese group would be purchasing AIG's plane leasing unit for $4.23 billion.

4. It was recently announced that the Federal Reserve will now allow Chinese banks to buy up American banks.

5. A $190 million bridge project up in Alaska was awarded to a Chinese firm.

6. A $400 million contract to renovate the Alexander Hamilton bridge in New York was awarded to a Chinese firm.

7. A $7.2 billion contract to construct a new bridge between San Francisco and Oakland was awarded to a Chinese firm.

8. The uniforms for the U.S. Olympic team were made in China.

9. 85 percent of all artificial Christmas trees are made in China.

10. The new World Trade Center tower is going to include glass that has been imported from China.

11. The new Martin Luther King memorial on the National Mall was made in China.

12. In 2001, American consumers spent 102 billion dollars on products made in China. In 2011, American consumers spent 399 billion dollars on products made in China.

13. The United States spends about 4 dollars on goods and services from China for every one dollar that China spends on goods and services from the United States.

14. According to the New York Times, a Jeep Grand Cherokee that costs $27,490 in the United States costs about $85,000 in China thanks to all the tariffs.

15. The Chinese economy has grown 7 times faster than the U.S. economy has over the past decade.

16. The United States has lost a staggering 32 percent of its manufacturing jobs since the year 2000.

17. The United States has lost an average of 50,000 manufacturing jobs per month since China joined the World Trade Organization in 2001.

18. Overall, the United States has lost a total of more than 56,000 manufacturing facilities since 2001.

19. According to the Economic Policy Institute, America is losing half a million jobs to China every single year.

20. Between December 2000 and December 2010, 38 percent of the manufacturing jobs in Ohio were lost, 42 percent of the manufacturing jobs in North Carolina were lost and 48 percent of the manufacturing jobs in Michigan were lost.

21. In 2010, China produced more than twice as many automobiles as the United States did.

22. Since the auto industry bailout, approximately 70 percent of all GM vehicles have been built outside the United States.

23. After being bailed out by U.S. taxpayers, General Motors is currently involved in 11 joint ventures with companies owned by the Chinese government. The price for entering into many of these “joint ventures” was a transfer of “state of the art technology” from General Motors to the communist Chinese.

24. Back in 1998, the United States had 25 percent of the world’s high-tech export market and China had just 10 percent. Ten years later, the United States had less than 15 percent and China’s share had soared to 20 percent.

25. The United States has lost more than a quarter of all of its high-tech manufacturing jobs over the past ten years.

26. China’s number one export to the U.S. is computer equipment.
dayra

Maylands, Australia

#20 Jan 28, 2013
Foo wrote:
<quoted text>Are you on drugs ?.....(lol)....if the US dismantled 90% of their nuclear capability , they would still have enough to wipe China out totally , with plenty left over.....meanwhile China can't build a frypan that lasts much longer than 6 months.......you can work the rest out for yourself........
27. The number one U.S. export to China is "scrap and trash".

28. The U.S. trade deficit with China is now more than 28 times larger than it was back in 1990.

29. Back in 1985, the U.S. trade deficit with China was just 6 million dollars for the entire year. For the month of November 2012 alone, the U.S. trade deficit with China was 28.9 billion dollars.

30. China now consumes more energy than the United States does.

31. China is now the leading manufacturer of goods in the entire world.

32. China uses more cement than the rest of the world combined.

33. China is now the number one producer of wind and solar power on the entire globe.

34. Today, China produces nearly twice as much beer as the United States does.

35. Right now, China is producing more than three times as much coal as the United States does.

36. China now produces 11 times as much steel as the United States does.

37. China produces more than 90 percent of the global supply of rare earth elements.

38. China is now the number one supplier of components that are critical to the operation of U.S. defense systems.

39. A recent investigation by the U.S. Senate Committee on Armed Services found more than one million counterfeit Chinese parts in the Department of Defense supply chain.

40. 15 years ago, China was 14th in the world in published scientific research articles. But now, China is expected to pass the United States and become number one very shortly.

41. China now awards more doctoral degrees in engineering each year than the United States does.

42. According to one study, the Chinese economy already has roughly the same amount of purchasing power as the U.S. economy does.

43. According to the IMF, China will pass the United States and will become the largest economy in the world in 2016.

44. Nobel economist Robert W. Fogel of the University of Chicago is projecting that the Chinese economy will be three times larger than the U.S. economy by the year 2040 if current trends continue.
dayra

Maylands, Australia

#21 Jan 28, 2013
Someone is afraid of the Reality of the Red Dawn.

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/d...
GoGoBar

Thailand

#22 Jan 28, 2013
Ride the Tiger, and enjoy. She needs milk, vitamins, minerals and soon she will be hungry for protein. Her cubs will need a safe teething ground. When she gets her fat and oil from the SCSea and not from NY or London Bourses, she may not kowtow as much. Fear not.
Her claws are in the Lion Continent now, be thankfull for that. She is marking her territory there with traditional bribes to the monkeys who understand and approve only too happily.
Why would a Tiger want to destroy a farm that nourishes her and her young. The Tiger may prove helpfull when the jihadist monkeys to the North run out of forest and want to move to the savanah.

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