Australian Values

[Elias]

Lets pay homage to some great Australians who have upheld Australian values in this country

Aboriginal trackers - without whom this country would never have been explored

Aboriginal stockmen - without whom the cattle industry would never been setup

Aboriginal soldiers - who fought bravely for Australia

Afghans - who opened up the desert country for development

Chinese - who helped setup small business, built the railways and helped develop gold mining

Pacific Islanders Japanese - Pearling industry

Indians - who setup the banana plantations of queensland and have been the mainstay of the AUstralian IT-industry

Chinese government - who will keep Australia wealthy for the next 20 years buying all their resources!

These guys have done great things for Australia - congrats guys!!

[Dee]

Elias wrote:

Lets pay homage to some great Australians who have upheld Australian values in this country
Aboriginal trackers - without whom this country would never have been explored
Aboriginal stockmen - without whom the cattle industry would never been setup
Aboriginal soldiers - who fought bravely for Australia
Afghans - who opened up the desert country for development
Chinese - who helped setup small business, built the railways and helped develop gold mining
Pacific Islanders Japanese - Pearling industry
Indians - who setup the banana plantations of queensland and have been the mainstay of the AUstralian IT-industry
Chinese government - who will keep Australia wealthy for the next 20 years buying all their resources!
These guys have done great things for Australia - congrats guys!!

I agree with all of those points except the one concerning Indians in the IT industry.

Re the Chinese - they also made it possible for people in remote areas to have fresh fruit and veg by creating market gardens.

[Joan Steinbrenner]

Indians rule the IT industry-no qustion about it.

Please don't fool yourselves.

I find it laughable that Australians with your lousy universities & thick pulation can hold a candle to natural born math whiz kids like te Indians.

Get Real & Get a Life !

[Dee]

Joan Steinbrenner wrote:

Indians rule the IT industry-no qustion about it.
Please don't fool yourselves.
I find it laughable that Australians with your lousy universities & thick pulation can hold a candle to natural born math whiz kids like te Indians.
Get Real & Get a Life !

This 'thick population' created in 220 years something that Indians have never been able to do for themselves - ie, build a livable country.

I have had many dealings with Indian IT workers and their inability to think outside their checklist, so drop dead.

[Joan Steinbrenner]

Spoken like a true racist, inbred Australian !

[Elias]

****I find it laughable that Australians with your lousy universities & thick pulation can hold a candle to natural born math whiz kids like te Indians.*****

While its true the Indian (and Chinese) secondary education curriculum favours mathematics, lets be fair. Australian universities are the lowest funded in the OECD (thanks to our current conservative government). With all that Australian universities benchmark really well against American and European institutions, this is testimony to the brain power in AUstralia, much of which is local.

[Elias]

BTW Joan, why the interest in Indians (just curious)

[Goathead]

Freeloading - another Australian value. Australians enter free of cost into the US for up to 3 months. Americans need a ETA that costs $20. For a family of 4 that adds up !

Do you understand the meaning of reciprocity ?

Uncle Sam should keep the whole load of you out till you reciprocate.

[Dee]

Elias wrote:

BTW Joan, why the interest in Indians (just curious)

She is:

* an Indian, or
* is married to one, or
* is another Jane Elliott (someone who gets off on humiliating her own)

[Dee]

Joan Steinbrenner wrote:

Spoken like a true racist, inbred Australian !

Another racist f*ckwit. Probably has never set foot in Australia in her life. Hope she never does.

[Jammy Jester]

Dee wrote:

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I have had many dealings with Indian IT workers and their inability to think outside their checklist, so drop dead.

i have had dealings with indian programmers too, they come from a place which has a well defined social class where you do what you are told by your employer.

with time experience and confidence they do begin to think outside of the box, especially when they work people like yourself.

[Dee]

Jammy Jester wrote:

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i have had dealings with indian programmers too, they come from a place which has a well defined social class where you do what you are told by your employer.
with time experience and confidence they do begin to think outside of the box, especially when they work people like yourself.

Good to hear, you are probably right on this point. I know many Indians, there are quite a few very Australianised Indians around. It still makes me smile to hear a broad Aussie accent coming from an Indian.

[Joan Steinbrenner]

Dee,you are wrong on all 3 counts.

I just happen to give credit where credit is due.

The fact that you are a potty-mouth doesn't do much for your credibility. And there's precious little you can do about "who sets foot where" or whether you determine that people "drop dead" etc.

[Dee]

Joan Steinbrenner wrote:

Dee,you are wrong on all 3 counts.
I just happen to give credit where credit is due.
The fact that you are a potty-mouth doesn't do much for your credibility. And there's precious little you can do about "who sets foot where" or whether you determine that people "drop dead" etc.

Spouting racist sh*t about Australians on an Australian forum doesn't do much for your 'credibility' either. As for having a 'potty mouth'-

Your words to me:

"Spoken like a true racist, inbred Australian!"

My reply to you.

Drop dead!

[Lee]

Any working class Australian with half a brain should feel threatened by Indians. The truth is that they work like horses and for a fraction of the cost that Australians will work for.

This is why big business is outsourcing their work to India and China, they work harder, longer and for less money. These people are overjoyed to have an income and finally be financially capable of affording the luxuries that Australians take for granted.

Your employer would happily make your 38hrs/week,$30,000/year position reduntant and give it to someone in India that will work 50hrs/week for $10,000/year.

Some call it "slave labour". Business owners and shareholders call it "bigger profits". And if an Indian Or Chinese person calls it a job, you might be calling it "unemployment".

The workers of the western world need to re-evaluate their values and work ethics, because 2 billion Indians and Chinamen don't care if you end up on the scrapheap, neither does your employer when he saves $20,000/year per employee.

Time for us all to "think outside the box".

[Joan Steinbrenner]

Dee, you are a typical Arsie on a typical Arsie foum - racist, inbred, and pottymouthed.

Feel sorry for those 3 kids you claim to have..

[Dee]

Joan Steinbrenner wrote:

Dee, you are a typical Arsie on a typical Arsie foum - racist, inbred, and pottymouthed.
Feel sorry for those 3 kids you claim to have..

How would you know what a 'typical Aussie' is.

If you have kids yourself (I won't bother with the obligatory cheap shot about feeling sorry for them), maybe you should think about a future where they are replaced by cheaper, more docile Indians. Or perhaps their jobs will be sent to India.

And of course, since you are so enthusiastic about Indian workers, I don't doubt that you have given up your own job for an Indian, as opposed to offering the jobs of others - and of course, you trained your replacement before you were allowed to collect severance pay, didn't you?

We will all be very disappointed if the above scenario is incorrect - it would make you a hypocrite, wouldn't it?

[Dee]

Lee wrote:

Any working class Australian with half a brain should feel threatened by Indians. The truth is that they work like horses and for a fraction of the cost that Australians will work for.
This is why big business is outsourcing their work to India and China, they work harder, longer and for less money. These people are overjoyed to have an income and finally be financially capable of affording the luxuries that Australians take for granted.
Your employer would happily make your 38hrs/week,$30,000/year position reduntant and give it to someone in India that will work 50hrs/week for $10,000/year.
Some call it "slave labour". Business owners and shareholders call it "bigger profits". And if an Indian Or Chinese person calls it a job, you might be calling it "unemployment".
The workers of the western world need to re-evaluate their values and work ethics, because 2 billion Indians and Chinamen don't care if you end up on the scrapheap, neither does your employer when he saves $20,000/year per employee.
Time for us all to "think outside the box".

Especially when it is our own people and governments who are selling us out.

"The workers of the western world need to re-evaluate their values and work ethics.."

And go back a hundred years to the days when people had no control over their working lives, the boss ruled everyone and his word was law.

In Australia, at least, our fathers and grandfathers fought a long, hard battle for good working conditions, job security and other rights we now take for granted.

I wish Chinese, Indians etc. the best, may they enjoy the good life - but not at my children's expense.

[Michael D]

If Australians take certain things for granted as Dee states in her post, and fight the transfer of jobs to Indians/Chinese, it will eventually lead to Australias downfall.

This is not your father or grandfathers world !

In this day and age of globalization, jobs will inevitably go from excessively paid workers to workers who are willing to work longer and harder for less pay.

It simply cannot be stopped. Physical borders, passports & nationality mean very little when it comes to job transitions from the developed to developing world.

The only way out for developed world workers is to SKILL-UP, work hard & move up the food chain.

Americans recognize this and embrace it.

It appears that Australians on the other hand would rather sit back, complain & engage in a bar brawl - that they are destined to loose.

[Dee]

Michael D wrote:

If Australians take certain things for granted as Dee states in her post, and fight the transfer of jobs to Indians/Chinese, it will eventually lead to Australias downfall.
This is not your father or grandfathers world !
In this day and age of globalization, jobs will inevitably go from excessively paid workers to workers who are willing to work longer and harder for less pay.
It simply cannot be stopped. Physical borders, passports & nationality mean very little when it comes to job transitions from the developed to developing world.
The only way out for developed world workers is to SKILL-UP, work hard & move up the food chain.
Americans recognize this and embrace it.
It appears that Australians on the other hand would rather sit back, complain & engage in a bar brawl - that they are destined to loose.

"The only way out for developed world workers is to SKILL-UP, work hard & move up the food chain"

What utter nonsense. There is only so much room in the upper levels of the food chain. Meanwhile we should all work harder for less money - uncomplainingly, of course.

So have you given up your own job to a deserving Indian? Or are you only generous with the jobs of others?