The Arab Winter
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yeah right

Saint Kilda, Australia

#1 Nov 23, 2012
Egypt's Islamist president unilaterally decreed greater authorities for himself Thursday and effectively neutralized a judiciary system that had emerged as a key opponent by declaring that the courts are barred from challenging his decisions.

Riding high on U.S. and international praise for mediating a Gaza cease-fire, Mohammed Morsi put himself above oversight and gave protection to the Islamist-led assembly writing a new constitution from a looming threat of dissolution by court order.

But the move is likely to fuel growing public anger that he and his Muslim Brotherhood are seizing too much power.

In what was interpreted by rights activists as a de facto declaration of emergency law, one of Morsi's decrees gave him the power to take "due measures and steps" to deal with any "threat" to the revolution, national unity and safety or anything that obstructs the work of state institutions.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57553522/...
yeah right

Saint Kilda, Australia

#2 Nov 23, 2012
The former head of the muslim brotherhood shows his true colours.

The courts are barred from challenging his decisions.

He can now write a constitution that will make sharia the law of the land if he likes.

This is what happens when you put a muslim in charge of a country.
yeah right

Saint Kilda, Australia

#3 Nov 23, 2012
So the Egyptians are now declaring their first democratically elected leader a DICTATOR.

What did they expect? That's what happens when you "elect" the muslim brotherhood.
bo bo

Beijing, China

#5 Nov 24, 2012
You're on to something here, Gotta. But as always, the view from the top always gives you a better idea of whats happening.

Your view depends on how high you are off the ground, and who all are below you.

And the unknown people above you can see you just as well as you see those below you. But the higher you go, the tinier the people get, and easier to think of them as mere pieces in a game.
aiesha s

Saint Marys, Australia

#6 Nov 28, 2012
yeah right wrote:
The former head of the muslim brotherhood shows his true colours.
The courts are barred from challenging his decisions.
He can now write a constitution that will make sharia the law of the land if he likes.
This is what happens when you put a muslim in charge of a country.
Seems to me that Muslims and democracy do not mix. They cannot, just like oil and water.

In the same way, Sharia Law and human rights do not mix.
10th LIGHT HORSE WA

Australia

#7 Nov 28, 2012
Just get rid of them
Elias

Glen Waverley, Australia

#8 Nov 28, 2012
yeah right wrote:
So the Egyptians are now declaring their first democratically elected leader a DICTATOR.
What did they expect? That's what happens when you "elect" the muslim brotherhood.
It's very hard for countries with a muslim majority population to operate on a democratic model. Some have managed (Malaysia and Indonesia) but the vast majority work with a central leader often with a military background or at least propped up by the military.

Part of the problem is social control. Religious groups use the military and police to enforce shariah during fasting period and to ensure attendance at mosque etc. Free democracy means the people elect moderates (such as in Turkey) who usurp the influence of relgious leaders.

“REFUSE ALL IMITATIONS!!”

Since: Jan 11

Collingwood, Australia

#9 Nov 28, 2012
aiesha s wrote:
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Seems to me that Muslims and democracy do not mix. They cannot, just like oil and water.
In the same way, Sharia Law and human rights do not mix.
This psychologist seems to have arrived at the same conclusion:

http://europenews.dk/en/node/21789
Elias

Glen Waverley, Australia

#10 Nov 28, 2012
The ADELAIDEAN wrote:
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This psychologist seems to have arrived at the same conclusion:
http://europenews.dk/en/node/21789
Interesting, the Australian Psychological Association would probably have deregistered him for violating ethical requirements that psychologists do not discriminate on the basis of race or religion. Curious...
yeah right

Newport, Australia

#11 Nov 28, 2012
Elias wrote:
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It's very hard for countries with a muslim majority population to operate on a democratic model. Some have managed (Malaysia and Indonesia) but the vast majority work with a central leader often with a military background or at least propped up by the military.
Part of the problem is social control. Religious groups use the military and police to enforce shariah during fasting period and to ensure attendance at mosque etc. Free democracy means the people elect moderates (such as in Turkey) who usurp the influence of relgious leaders.
If only that were happening in Turkey. In the past ten years or so Turkey has become increasingly bent toward the islamists' party and they are now lending support to 'democratising' the ME, which seems to mean that they support the muslim brotherhood. It amazes me that the US funds the Egyptian government, when they are so clearly against their stated interests.

Not sure how well Indonesia is managing. By all accounts not too well in terms of equity for religious or certain ethnic minorities. In Malaysia muslims get preferential treatment, don't they?
yeah right

Newport, Australia

#12 Nov 28, 2012
aiesha s wrote:
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Seems to me that Muslims and democracy do not mix. They cannot, just like oil and water.
In the same way, Sharia Law and human rights do not mix.
Apparently 90% of violent rapes in Sweden are committed by muslims. Some people are now referring to this as a war crime, thinking, I suppose, that it is jihad related.
loser

Brisbane, Australia

#13 Nov 28, 2012
yeah right wrote:
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Apparently 90% of violent rapes in Sweden are committed by muslims. Some people are now referring to this as a war crime, thinking, I suppose, that it is jihad related.
why do you care about those filthy sub human arabs anyway? are you a stinking muslim monkey arab? other wise aussies couldnt give 2 shits about their sub human politcs who cares let em die out
Elias

Glen Waverley, Australia

#14 Nov 28, 2012
yeah right wrote:
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If only that were happening in Turkey. In the past ten years or so Turkey has become increasingly bent toward the islamists' party and they are now lending support to 'democratising' the ME, which seems to mean that they support the muslim brotherhood. It amazes me that the US funds the Egyptian government, when they are so clearly against their stated interests.
Not sure how well Indonesia is managing. By all accounts not too well in terms of equity for religious or certain ethnic minorities. In Malaysia muslims get preferential treatment, don't they?
Turkey has managed to have free elections but does have major issues in human rights, particularly with regard to Kurds. Islamic movements are taking advantage of economic stagnation in Turkey after the GFC..recruiting the unemployed.

Indonesia and Malaysia has managed to keep a certain balance in looking after interests of christians, hindus and buddhists. The wealthiest people in Indonesia and Malaysia are non-muslim Chinese. However everybody knows that this arrangment is not permanent and muslims are been given preferential rights so the long term prognosis is not good.
yeah right

Newport, Australia

#15 Nov 28, 2012
Elias wrote:
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Turkey has managed to have free elections but does have major issues in human rights, particularly with regard to Kurds. Islamic movements are taking advantage of economic stagnation in Turkey after the GFC..recruiting the unemployed.
Yes, but this increase in islamic control was happening long before GFC. The changes there have been amazing in the last 12 years or so. I have long suspected Arab money propping things up as the Islamist party has gained and maintained so much power over the years. Ataturk is still missed by many though!
Elias wrote:
<quoted text>Indonesia and Malaysia has managed to keep a certain balance in looking after interests of christians, hindus and buddhists. The wealthiest people in Indonesia and Malaysia are non-muslim Chinese. However everybody knows that this arrangment is not permanent and muslims are been given preferential rights so the long term prognosis is not good.
Not sure I'd agree with keeping any kind of balance! Interesting to know that the non-muslim Chinese are the wealthiest there though. I thought that had long gone to the muslims as a result of the governments obvious hatred of anything non-muslim.
Myth Buster

Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

#16 Nov 28, 2012
Muslim love their religion, their sharia laws and their imams. So when given a choice they choose religious fundamentalists. The Muslim Brotherhood was elected by the majority Egyptians.

People in the west wrongly believe that Muslim hate discrimination of women or arrange marriages. Not true! They love it.

It is not that democracy do not work in Islamic world. It is just that the results are different.

“REFUSE ALL IMITATIONS!!”

Since: Jan 11

Collingwood, Australia

#17 Nov 28, 2012
Elias wrote:
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Interesting, the Australian Psychological Association would probably have deregistered him for violating ethical requirements that psychologists do not discriminate on the basis of race or religion. Curious...
Dismissive. Not so much as a syllable from Elias on the merit or otherwise of Nicolai Sennels's researched conclusions. Bravo Elias!! You haven't changed after all!:)
yeah right

Newport, Australia

#18 Nov 28, 2012
Myth Buster wrote:
Muslim love their religion, their sharia laws and their imams. So when given a choice they choose religious fundamentalists. The Muslim Brotherhood was elected by the majority Egyptians.
People in the west wrongly believe that Muslim hate discrimination of women or arrange marriages. Not true! They love it.
It is not that democracy do not work in Islamic world. It is just that the results are different.
The muslim brotherhood got rid of the popular candidate who actually understood and represented democratic thought and process so that they (muslim brotherhood) could take political power. The current ruler (can't call him a president, he's really currently a dictator) was essentially the only candidate to vote for.

The 'other' Egyptians, those in favour of what they would consider real democracy, are now rioting in the streets to protest his usurpation of power over the judiciary.

And basically only men (and women who are reduced to a pile of ashes by them so that there is nothing left) love islam.
Elias

Glen Waverley, Australia

#19 Nov 28, 2012
yeah right wrote:
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Yes, but this increase in islamic control was happening long before GFC. The changes there have been amazing in the last 12 years or so. I have long suspected Arab money propping things up as the Islamist party has gained and maintained so much power over the years. Ataturk is still missed by many though!
Yes the islamists have been chipping away for years. The history of Turkey, Bosnia and Albania indicates that large swathes of the population were converted to islam over 500 years ago. Their cultural traditions still allow for alcohol consumption and certain freedoms for women not allowed in traditional arab culture. Albanians even eat pork.
yeah right wrote:
<Not sure I'd agree with keeping any kind of balance! Interesting to know that the non-muslim Chinese are the wealthiest there though. I thought that had long gone to the muslims as a result of the governments obvious hatred of anything non-muslim.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Indonesi...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysian_Chines...
Elias

Glen Waverley, Australia

#20 Nov 28, 2012
The ADELAIDEAN wrote:
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Dismissive. Not so much as a syllable from Elias on the merit or otherwise of Nicolai Sennels's researched conclusions. Bravo Elias!! You haven't changed after all!:)
What do you "want" me to say? playing the tail that wags dogs Ade??

Psychologists in Australia aren't supposed to delve into the risks of members of established religious group as it is deemed to be inciting/causing psychological harm to members of that group. That's why I found it curious he is allowed to publish this in Denmark.

Where did I say I disagree with Sennel?

“REFUSE ALL IMITATIONS!!”

Since: Jan 11

Collingwood, Australia

#21 Nov 28, 2012
Elias wrote:
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What do you "want" me to say? playing the tail that wags dogs Ade??
Psychologists in Australia aren't supposed to delve into the risks of members of established religious group as it is deemed to be inciting/causing psychological harm to members of that group. That's why I found it curious he is allowed to publish this in Denmark.
Where did I say I disagree with Sennel?
It is patently obvious that you haven't even bothered to read the article before pontificating, a fact that you will of course deny.

You have done no more than stun readers with the revelation that Denmark and Australia are two different countries.

Clearly nothing gets past you, Elias! lol!

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