Australia's home-grown terror threat

Australia's home-grown terror threat

There are 42 comments on the BBC News story from Aug 6, 2014, titled Australia's home-grown terror threat. In it, BBC News reports that:

Australian jihadists fighting for radical Islamist groups in Iraq and Syria are to be targeted by new laws, amid fears they pose a growing threat at home.

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Raheem

Qrendi, Malta

#1 Aug 7, 2014
They send terrorists abroad to destabilize countries and then complain when innocents from those countries immigrate to Australia.

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Since: Jan 11

Saint Kilda, Australia

#2 Aug 7, 2014
Raheem wrote:
They send terrorists abroad to destabilize countries and then complain when innocents from those countries immigrate to Australia.
Rubbish!!

Australia does not "SEND" any terrorists abroad!

Instead, passports have been confiscated here to prevent those suspected of wanting to act as terrorists overseas from leaving Australia.

Does lying come naturally to you, or did you have to attend a three-month night course to learn the practice?
Aussie Bob

Adelaide, Australia

#3 Aug 7, 2014
The ADELAIDEAN wrote:
<quoted text>Rubbish!!

Australia does not "SEND" any terrorists abroad!

Instead, passports have been confiscated here to prevent those suspected of wanting to act as terrorists overseas from leaving Australia.

Does lying come naturally to you, or did you have to attend a three-month night course to learn the practice?
I'm just pissed off that our treacherous government let so many Muslims in, especially seeing as we were fighting Imperial wars in their nations at the time. Now our government uses "their own bad decisions" to justify further spying on Australian citizens. Hegelian Dialect anybody?
Dander

Deloraine, Australia

#4 Aug 7, 2014
Raheem wrote:
They send terrorists abroad to destabilize countries and then complain when innocents from those countries immigrate to Australia.
Those who immigrate to Australia and fail to condemn crimes committed in the Name of Allah and Islam, like the IT turks with Armenian Genocide, are potential jihadist threats to Australia.

“REFUSE ALL IMITATIONS!!”

Since: Jan 11

Melbourne, Australia

#5 Aug 7, 2014
Aussie Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm just pissed off that our treacherous government let so many Muslims in, especially seeing as we were fighting Imperial wars in their nations at the time. Now our government uses "their own bad decisions" to justify further spying on Australian citizens. Hegelian Dialect anybody?
Indeed! Evidence of that can be seen at work behind every 'divide & conquer' scam committed by our illustrious "Powers That Be".
christoforus

Medan, Indonesia

#6 Aug 7, 2014
Why blame the refugees for targeting your country? You signed the refugee convention, so stop whining and deal with it.

If your country's gonna get overrun by terrorists (which it will soon, the ISIS is already building its number here) then it would be your own undoing
Foo

Red Hill, Australia

#7 Aug 7, 2014
christoforus wrote:
If your country's gonna get overrun by terrorists (which it will soon, the ISIS is already building its number here) then it would be your own undoing
....(lol)...the "ISIS" is fully funded and in the control of rogue elements within the government of our closest alley in NATO......did you really think "ISIS" fights for some islamic cause ?......think again.
Aussie Bob

Adelaide, Australia

#8 Aug 7, 2014
christoforus wrote:
Why blame the refugees for targeting your country? You signed the refugee convention, so stop whining and deal with it.

If your country's gonna get overrun by terrorists (which it will soon, the ISIS is already building its number here) then it would be your own undoing
It would be the doing of our "Zionist Occupied Government", not the Australian people. There is a difference.

“REFUSE ALL IMITATIONS!!”

Since: Jan 11

Melbourne, Australia

#9 Aug 7, 2014
christoforus wrote:
Why blame the refugees for targeting your country? You signed the refugee convention, so stop whining and deal with it.
If your country's gonna get overrun by terrorists (which it will soon, the ISIS is already building its number here) then it would be your own undoing
Is rubbish all you little wannabees can think and talk?

The Australian people did NOT 'sign up to the refugee convention' as it now 'stands'.

What the *Australian government* signed up to in 1951 bore little resemblance then to what poses as that convention now. Step by sneaky step that convention has been skewed out of shape over the six decades that have passed since 1951.

To pander to vested interests that are in stark conflict with the assets and interests of many western countries including Australia, the Western World has been made a victim of the time-worn "Bait & Switch" scam.

What our representatives in 1951 did not factor in was the diabolical treachery that waited in eager readiness further down the track. In 1951 there were some 80 signatory nations to the convention. Between then and the present day some 90 more nations have jumped on the convention as signatories ... all of those later nations sharing a simmering loathing of the West.

The UN has committed a cynical breach of faith.

Therefore contrary to what you ignorantly trumpet, Australia no longer has a moral obligation to abide by an agreement long since hijacked and corrupted.
christoforus

Medan, Indonesia

#10 Aug 8, 2014
The ADELAIDEAN wrote:
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Is rubbish all you little wannabees can think and talk?
The Australian people did NOT 'sign up to the refugee convention' as it now 'stands'.
What the *Australian government* signed up to in 1951 bore little resemblance then to what poses as that convention now. Step by sneaky step that convention has been skewed out of shape over the six decades that have passed since 1951.
To pander to vested interests that are in stark conflict with the assets and interests of many western countries including Australia, the Western World has been made a victim of the time-worn "Bait & Switch" scam.
What our representatives in 1951 did not factor in was the diabolical treachery that waited in eager readiness further down the track. In 1951 there were some 80 signatory nations to the convention. Between then and the present day some 90 more nations have jumped on the convention as signatories ... all of those later nations sharing a simmering loathing of the West.
The UN has committed a cynical breach of faith.
Therefore contrary to what you ignorantly trumpet, Australia no longer has a moral obligation to abide by an agreement long since hijacked and corrupted.
Hmm i still dont see it.

You agree to take refugees from wartorn countries yes? You took in the Holocaust victims, took in the Greek and Armenian from the Turkish war? The Bosnian war also. The why oh why when the Arabs came you BLAME them for taking refuge in your country?(instead of, y know, the Aussie guy that signed the agreement)

Does it state explicitly in the convention that 'Arab refugee is not included'? If not then no matter how skewed it is, the agreement still stands, that you must take in those refugees no matter what skin color and religion they have.

Even if those Arabian countries weren't signatories then, why would you choose Jew over the Arabs since they're basically the same warmongering people . I smell discrimination. Discrimination is a big no no for multicultural Australia no?
christoforus

Medan, Indonesia

#11 Aug 8, 2014
Foo wrote:
<quoted text>....(lol)...the "ISIS" is fully funded and in the control of rogue elements within the government of our closest alley in NATO......did you really think "ISIS" fights for some islamic cause ?......think again.
never said that, and i doubt an organization that vows to destroy Mecca is one that 'fights for some Islamic cause.'
But many of our people are so dirt poor and have no internet at home that they're willing to join any obscure organization as long as they can put food on the table.(and they'll believe anything is for Islamic cause if the human resource guy wear turban, fake beard and what passes for arabic).
Aussie Bob wrote:
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It would be the doing of our "Zionist Occupied Government", not the Australian people. There is a difference.
Last time i checked Australia were never a socialist country. You elected the govt did u not?
Foo

Red Hill, Australia

#12 Aug 8, 2014
christoforus wrote:
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But many of our people are so dirt poor and have no internet at home.
Not aware of such widespread poverty in Indonesia. It is generally accepted that the Indonesian standard of living has greatly improved since your economy has began to grow rapidly. Indonesia has a very large population , so , it is inevitable that some places have poverty.....is this correct ?
christoforus

Medan, Indonesia

#13 Aug 8, 2014
Foo wrote:
<quoted text> Not aware of such widespread poverty in Indonesia. It is generally accepted that the Indonesian standard of living has greatly improved since your economy has began to grow rapidly. Indonesia has a very large population , so , it is inevitable that some places have poverty.....is this correct ?
What you heard in the news is probably about the island of Java where 50% of our population live. Besides the well-known corruption, overpopulation is the problem. So just imagine 120 million living in a small island. There's not enough land to farm, not enough job to work in the city. The riches and mid class survive, the poor? what do they do? They go to other islands, untouched lands specifically, and these lands are far from civilization where there are things like malaria, dengue and wildfire. It's like living in a 18th century colony. Who would want to live like that?

Why do we have so many people you ask? The Javanese have this silly notion (Hindu belief leftover) that 'more kids=more prosperity from the divine and so now that the rest of us have to support them. The even more crazy thing is even now, exiled form their own island, they still breed like rabbits. This (when Javanese overtakes the natives) leads to conflicts such as in Aceh and Papua. Once an island is full, they'll go to another. It is like a ticking time bomb. And all it takes is these natives banding together against these Javanese immigrants before a civil war erupts and the refugees start going south. So i know how you feel about the immigration problem and i really don't envy your future with that agreement in place.
Foo

Red Hill, Australia

#14 Aug 8, 2014
christoforus wrote:
<quoted text>
What you heard in the news is probably about the island of Java where 50% of our population live. Besides the well-known corruption, overpopulation is the problem. So just imagine 120 million living in a small island. There's not enough land to farm, not enough job to work in the city. The riches and mid class survive, the poor? what do they do? They go to other islands, untouched lands specifically, and these lands are far from civilization where there are things like malaria, dengue and wildfire. It's like living in a 18th century colony. Who would want to live like that?
Why do we have so many people you ask? The Javanese have this silly notion (Hindu belief leftover) that 'more kids=more prosperity from the divine and so now that the rest of us have to support them. The even more crazy thing is even now, exiled form their own island, they still breed like rabbits. This (when Javanese overtakes the natives) leads to conflicts such as in Aceh and Papua. Once an island is full, they'll go to another. It is like a ticking time bomb. And all it takes is these natives banding together against these Javanese immigrants before a civil war erupts and the refugees start going south. So i know how you feel about the immigration problem and i really don't envy your future with that agreement in place.
Overpopulation through ignorance and lack of education is a growing world problem that few people want to acknowledge........we are slowly moving closer to the point , when the problem will be impossible to ignore.

“REFUSE ALL IMITATIONS!!”

Since: Jan 11

Melbourne, Australia

#15 Aug 8, 2014
christoforus wrote:
<quoted text>
Hmm i still dont see it.
You agree to take refugees from wartorn countries yes? You took in the Holocaust victims, took in the Greek and Armenian from the Turkish war? The Bosnian war also. The why oh why when the Arabs came you BLAME them for taking refuge in your country?(instead of, y know, the Aussie guy that signed the agreement)
Does it state explicitly in the convention that 'Arab refugee is not included'? If not then no matter how skewed it is, the agreement still stands, that you must take in those refugees no matter what skin color and religion they have.
Even if those Arabian countries weren't signatories then, why would you choose Jew over the Arabs since they're basically the same warmongering people . I smell discrimination. Discrimination is a big no no for multicultural Australia no?
If you are actually from Indonesia then you are in NO position to lecture any nation, including Australia, about obligations to the UN Refugee Convention!! Indonesia accepts NO such obligation and never has!!

Have a look at this map of signatories to the Convention (linked below). The grey areas are nations (including yours) that rejected it. You are not part of the solution ... you are part of the problem!!

Therefore you have no right even to an opinion. So stick your self-righteousness up your minaret.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugee_conventi...
http://tinyurl.com/grey-bludgers

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#17 Aug 8, 2014
Thanks to the West becoming lost when the moorings of Religion were finally cut after 2000 years of Christianity, Do Gooders, treasonous Politicians and the cancerous growth of the class of roaming extreme wealthy transnational elite injected the virus called multiculturalism. Which has traveled straight to the heart of the Australian Nation and now the spreading plague has spawned its deadly eggs around the Globe and no doubt, when ready to return, bring back to the once peaceful Nation who unwittingly hosted the evil. Protecting that concealed Evil from persecution, from where it came, to repay the favour by spewing forth its brood of hatchlings, devouring us who nurtured and protected them.
This is not a Religious war as in the past sense of religious wars, the West has lost its religion. This confrontation is really between civilisations; a war of human purpose.
Aussie Bob

Adelaide, Australia

#18 Aug 8, 2014
Topix seems to be very interested in how this thread progresses....

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Since: Jan 11

Yarraville, Australia

#19 Aug 8, 2014
Australian Republic wrote:
Thanks to the West becoming lost when the moorings of Religion were finally cut after 2000 years of Christianity, Do Gooders, treasonous Politicians and the cancerous growth of the class of roaming extreme wealthy transnational elite injected the virus called multiculturalism. Which has traveled straight to the heart of the Australian Nation and now the spreading plague has spawned its deadly eggs around the Globe and no doubt, when ready to return, bring back to the once peaceful Nation who unwittingly hosted the evil. Protecting that concealed Evil from persecution, from where it came, to repay the favour by spewing forth its brood of hatchlings, devouring us who nurtured and protected them.
This is not a Religious war as in the past sense of religious wars, the West has lost its religion. This confrontation is really between civilisations; a war of human purpose.
Interesting appraisal ... and probably accurate.

Attacks on the west by Islamic extremists to chants of "Allahu akhbar" bear the outward signs of attacks in the name of religion. But those pretenses exploit 'religion' as a template of convenience under which to seek a goal that is non-religious ... tangible enslavement.

Pious Muslims do not consider that non-Muslims even have a religion. Nor do they believe that "Infidels" could ever become true Muslims. Therefore from the Islamic viewpoint any sense of a religious showdown doesn't even enter the question ... there is far more be gained from material exploitation, beginning with Jizyah and where possible leading to economic confiscations.

Conversely, from the viewpoint of non-Muslim nations confrontation with the Islamic world is not about religion either. The West recognizes that Muslims live under the burden of an all-pervasive ideology, of which religion is only one of several components ... the rest being rigid lifestyle control of intensely psychopathic menace that stifles fulfillment of human potential.

Therefore precisely because the freedom-seeking West may themselves have loosened their own bonds of religious dogma, they most certainly do not want whatever religion they have forsaken to be replaced by the psychopathic enslavement that the Islamic world has very much in mind for the West.

So from each side's viewpoint the looming showdown is at best about 'religion' in name only, as a diversionary mask for a cocktail of more compelling underlying lifestyle motives.

Religion aside, each side finds the values and aspirations of the other a repugnant anathema. Therefore your observation that "This is not a Religious war as in the past sense of religious wars" is perceptive.

“REFUSE ALL IMITATIONS!!”

Since: Jan 11

Yarraville, Australia

#20 Aug 8, 2014
Aussie Bob wrote:
Topix seems to be very interested in how this thread progresses....
Thanks for the reminder to save this thread as it progresses.

Post #16 is missing already.:)
Raheem Ibnallaah

Qrendi, Malta

#21 Aug 8, 2014
The ADELAIDEAN wrote:
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Interesting appraisal ... and probably accurate.
Attacks on the west by Islamic extremists to chants of "Allahu akhbar" bear the outward signs of attacks in the name of religion. But those pretenses exploit 'religion' as a template of convenience under which to seek a goal that is non-religious ... tangible enslavement.
Pious Muslims do not consider that non-Muslims even have a religion. Nor do they believe that "Infidels" could ever become true Muslims. Therefore from the Islamic viewpoint any sense of a religious showdown doesn't even enter the question ... there is far more be gained from material exploitation, beginning with Jizyah and where possible leading to economic confiscations.
Conversely, from the viewpoint of non-Muslim nations confrontation with the Islamic world is not about religion either. The West recognizes that Muslims live under the burden of an all-pervasive ideology, of which religion is only one of several components ... the rest being rigid lifestyle control of intensely psychopathic menace that stifles fulfillment of human potential.
Therefore precisely because the freedom-seeking West may themselves have loosened their own bonds of religious dogma, they most certainly do not want whatever religion they have forsaken to be replaced by the psychopathic enslavement that the Islamic world has very much in mind for the West.
So from each side's viewpoint the looming showdown is at best about 'religion' in name only, as a diversionary mask for a cocktail of more compelling underlying lifestyle motives.
Religion aside, each side finds the values and aspirations of the other a repugnant anathema. Therefore your observation that "This is not a Religious war as in the past sense of religious wars" is perceptive.
"Allaah(u) akbar" means "God is greater", in other words humans are not god, god is greater than us all, we should show some respect to the planet we live in and not act like we own it all.

Allaah akbar minna kulluna!

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