Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#280 Jul 23, 2013
Nbn update wrote:
Press today :
Nbn is in chaos.
Quigley sacked. Board in dissarray.
Head of rollout & head of engineering have quit.
Rollout is stalled. Major Contractors down tools.
Less than 75,000 active users,(half free or subsidized), only 4% of target plan.
Technology & design is wrong, industry and major vendors disassociate from nbn.
Will cost another $20 billion to complete.
Major ISPs say they are better of without it, and will go it alone.
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Time to fess up.
It's a debacle. The Aust NBN is the largest ITC failure in the southern hemisphere.
Billions wasted, nothing delivered.
Time to shut it all down, have a rethink and hand it back to industry and get it done properly.
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Labor has cost us 4 years and delivered nothing.
You're an idiot. Enough said..
Nbn colossal train wreck

Australia

#281 Jul 24, 2013
Press today : Australian.
Nbn is in chaos.
Quigley sacked. Board in dissarray.
Head of rollout & head of engineering have quit.
Rollout is stalled. Major Contractors down tools.
Less than 75,000 active users,(half free or subsidized), only 4% of target plan.
Technology & design is wrong, industry and major vendors disassociate from nbn.
Will cost another $20 billion to complete.
Major ISPs say they are better of without it, and
will go it alone.
-
It's a debacle. The Aust NBN is the largest ITC failure in the southern hemisphere.
Billions wasted, nothing delivered.
Time to shut it all down, have a rethink and hand it back to industry and get it done properly.
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Labor has cost us 4 years and delivered nothing.
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Labor now shudder every time the waves of bad press, cost blowouts and failure to deliver appear in the press.
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Is it true that the nbn board itself is now hoping for a liberal party win in the next election as they are frozen like rabbits trapped in a runaway political and train wreck of this colossal failure?
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Labor has no answer & no plan that's for sure.
Uncle Bluey

Brisbane, Australia

#282 Jul 24, 2013
NBN debacle wrote:
One of the key risks in the Australian NBN was technology obsolescence.
Now it happened.
Labor has blown nearly $18 billion SO FAR in incurred or 'unrecoverable' waste on the NBN with less than 50,000 actual new paying users.. After 4 years !
And now it's ALL obselete.
5G or real LTE has arrived and offers 1gb sec at 2 kilometer ranges - a simply massive and more cost effective connectivity.
What an absolute screwup. We got a stupid 1990's post master general morse code fixed line stazi net and everything built so far by the NBN backhaul to point connections is ALL obsolete.
We got a Collins class network, an obsolete joke, some half baked bad wiring to a few political swing seats and it is honestly all rubbish and yesterday crap from design to rollout.
Borrowed from another thread, heres the article announcing the amazing transfer rates and span of wireless 5g.

EuroBoy | 14 hrs ago
"Electronics giant Samsung says it has successfully tested superfast fifth-generation (5G) wireless technology that would eventually allow users to download an entire movie in one second.

The South Korean company said the test had witnessed data transmission of more than 1Gb per second over a distance of two kilometres.
That will permit users to "transmit massive data files including high quality digital movies practically without limitation", it said."
the rest of article is available:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-14/samsung ...

What a debacle, conroy and quigley look like world class fools and we just squandered $18 billion plus on absolutely nothing, it's all scrap, back to front as none of it supports a next Gen 5 g framework.
The worlds biggest IT project failure and 100% write-off. Australia NBN.
Yes mate it probably can perform at high speed with 5G wireless technology but I debate that it will work all over Australia. The whole point of fibre optic cable is that it provides the maximum coverage of high speed Internet across Australia!
I will never believe that wireless weather 5G or 10G(in the future) can provide this maximum coverage in a country with the land mass of Australia!
Vector

Australia

#283 Jul 25, 2013
Uncle Bluey wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes mate it probably can perform at high speed with 5G wireless technology but I debate that it will work all over Australia. The whole point of fibre optic cable is that it provides the maximum coverage of high speed Internet across Australia!
I will never believe that wireless weather 5G or 10G(in the future) can provide this maximum coverage in a country with the land mass of Australia!
It's called vectoring and composite networks.
So in denser urban housing - communal wireless.
Rural & remote - via existing lines or sat or wireless. Telstra 4g or rural pack will do what the nbn couldn't anyway.
plenty of other countries already done - even Kenya or Iran have nbn including to rural areas. Iranian nbn total cost 1.2b and more people (75 million) and more advanced -
usage fee in Iran is $usd 3 per 350 gb a month
user and speed 1 gb sec in cities,.3 gb sec in
rural. Go figure - this labor nbn has put us ten years behind even third world countries.
Rudd nbn lies

Australia

#284 Jul 25, 2013
Nbn was all lies and another mess from labor.
Now we have to pay for it all and they didnt even do anything. Wasn't the nbn Kevin Rudds idea ?
Notice he is very quiet about it now.....
Uncle Bluey

Australia

#285 Jul 25, 2013
I just seen a 1G/second internet network on TV on ABC where a town in USA runs fibre optic attached to power lines and also a company wanted to install it thru sewage pipes in Brisbane! So there is numerous ways to deliver high speed Internet!
However At present I can't get wireless Internet 3G at my house because of trees around it! My iPhone has LTE 4G but take into a hills/mountain areas and no Internet! There is no reasons that you can ever tell me that will convince me that wireless Internet is reliable. If Australia is to get high speed Internet it must be built as one network not a whole lot of different distribution technology joined together!
One network NBN is the only way to bring this technology and get the greatest benefits from it!

“Tilt my hat at the sun”

Since: Jun 12

And the shadows they burn dark

#286 Jul 26, 2013
Uncle Bluey wrote:
I just seen a 1G/second internet network on TV on ABC where a town in USA runs fibre optic attached to power lines....
Just read that myself, from the article:

** The big cable companies are now actively blocking cities from following Chattanooga's lead, saying it is unfair that they should have to compete against public money to build the networks.

And their lobbying has worked, with 18 US states now having passed laws blocking community-built fibre networks.

Even Chattanooga itself has been stopped from expanding into a neighbouring county after lobbying by the telcos.**

Tipical of corporate scum, something comes along that works & is affordable for people to use gets blocked by the stupid government bending over for big business.

http://tinyurl.com/nyqwx5p
Nbn options

Australia

#287 Jul 26, 2013
Uncle Bluey wrote:
I just seen a 1G/second internet network on TV on ABC where a town in USA runs fibre optic attached to power lines and also a company wanted to install it thru sewage pipes in Brisbane! So there is numerous ways to deliver high speed Internet!
However At present I can't get wireless Internet 3G at my house because of trees around it! My iPhone has LTE 4G but take into a hills/mountain areas and no Internet! There is no reasons that
you can ever tell me that will convince me that wireless Internet is reliable. If Australia is to get high speed Internet it must be built as one network not a whole lot of different distribution
technology joined together!
One network NBN is the only way to bring this technology and get the greatest benefits from it!
Think you answer it with your question.
How would an nbn fibre fixed point connection (that will never be delivered given the roll out rate, delays and cost blowout) how would that help you get an iPhone 4g connection up in the
hills on a mobile device ? It can't.
But an advanced composite & vectored network would. At home - via fixed or community wireless. Mobile via wireless or even sat.
All seamless, all industry standard, all priced as to demand and usage - on demand, backed by a federal regulated interconnect & service obligation.- a modern state of the art NBN leveraging what we have & building on it.
Using new technology like 4g and now vectoring.
Mobile, pervasive, complete, layered and with industry investment not a taxpayer funded black
hole.
What you just asked for CAN'T be delivered by the nbn (going to take your fixed point fibre stasi net overpriced nbn cable with you up in the hills or when you are mobile ?)
But can be with the liberals plan to do it properly.
Fact is the aust nbn has literally thrown $11 billion of taxpayer money down the toilet - after 4 years no one wants it, can't use it and can't afford it. Only about $330 million of that nbn waste is salvageable (some backhaul)- all the rest is a complete write-off.
Aust nbn is the laughing stock of the industry & world - it was rated near last for usability & design and absolutely last in value for money
(2012 nbn world reviews).
Today ; the CEO has been sacked. Almost all work is stopped. The major contractors have downed tools, some are in litigation with the nbn. Industry has said it's all wrong and isp's have said they will go it alone or compete against it.
Every trial has failed. Less than 75,000 actual users exist, half subsidized or free. The drop off rate exceeds takeup and its got shocking quality of service & pricing imposts.
All up - you want advanced communications & portability and the best in class 4g and LTE ?
Then vote accordingly - liberal , as they have a proper plan and ability to achieve it.
final solution

Sydney, Australia

#288 Jul 26, 2013
Problem with liberal plan is that the copper customer access network is in a bad state of repair.fibre to the node relies on a good copper network between the street node and the customers premises and would require a big spend to repair what is left of the copper network once the node rneplaces the copper main cables currently in service. Would still be an expensive proposition .perhaps wireless technology is the answer if we are prepared to accept higher ambient radiation levels.
Foo

Nambour, Australia

#289 Jul 26, 2013
Uncle Bluey wrote:
I just seen a 1G/second internet network on TV on ABC where a town in USA runs fibre optic attached to power lines and also a company wanted to install it thru sewage pipes in Brisbane!
A bit risky....might have turds coming through the pc , and dropping onto the desk.....indians would like it.
Carol Foo

Brisbane, Australia

#290 Jul 26, 2013
Oh my brother where have you been hiding. You can't hide from the Great Allah as Mohammed FOO has said. Repent brother and leave your evil infidel ways and return to the Mosque with Mohammed FOO and ask the great Allah for forgiveness. If you do run off again please keep in touch with your best friend Neville Thompson so we can trace u.
Labor toxic NBN

Australia

#291 Jul 27, 2013
final solution wrote:
Problem with liberal plan is that the copper customer access network is in a bad state of repair.fibre to the node relies on a good copper network between the street node and the customers premises and would require a big spend to repair what is left of the copper network once the node rneplaces the copper main cables currently in service. Would still be an expensive proposition .perhaps wireless technology is the answer if we are
prepared to accept higher ambient radiation levels.
Thodey - head of Telstra - july 2013 '"Telstra network is not just copper, in fact most of it is fibre or microwave and other mediums, but where it is copper it is in very good shape - in fact one of the best in the world and very well maintained - it is good for another 100 years"
Vectoring - 1.8 gb sec across 2,500 user communities from one hub - fraction (3%) of the cost, mobile, portable and micro to macro extendable.
Wireless emf - no more than what you get from say the abc or national radio signal.
Far far less toxic than the labor nbn - which has massive embedded & operational energy costs, millions of tons of highly polluting fibre, switches and connections and literally tens of millions of batteries as well.
The labor nbn would create power needs for at least 4 major new power stations in operational usage / just to power it all (dc, hubs, switches, millions of batteries plus about 350,000,000 tonnes of carbon emissions to make all the fibre, dig the trenches, replace existing network.
The liberal nbn - incremental, reduced operational cost, leverages what's there, gross and net operational & embedded energy saving.
So it's a no brained from that point of view.

Labor - filthy toxic high cost high impact option. Nearly half a billion tonnes of embedded, implementation and operational energy emissions and> 3 million caste off toxic batteries in landfill...
The most toxic nbn ever designed....

Liberal - fast, non toxic, cheap, incremental and
aligned with LTE, world best in class & of course to our environmental needs.
Hippsta

Australia

#292 Jul 28, 2013
Yeah - the nbn batteries are bad news. Imagine 15 million or more batteries needed as backup for the labor nbn all sucking power - that's a colossal toxic energy wastage.. Colossal.
and imagine say 3 million batteries that are end of life having to be replaced and go into landfill each year!!! Its a bad design for sure.
Also i noticed the nbn is now stringing those big fat ugly cables off the poles and down the streets. It looks very ugly and fragile too...
The whole thing is a shambolic eco disaster.
NBN role model

Australia

#293 Jul 29, 2013
NBN role model.......

( from Adelaidean - thanks)
Foo this is for you !

http://tinyurl.com/m24hhzo

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#294 Jul 29, 2013
NBN role model wrote:
NBN role model.......

( from Adelaidean - thanks)
Foo this is for you !

http://tinyurl.com/m24hhzo
The difference is that the Collins class sub was a liberal party debacle. The NBN is going to be one of the best decisions our government has ever made..
Nbn UTurn August

Australia

#295 Aug 2, 2013
Tasmaniac wrote:
<quoted text>
The difference is that the Collins class sub was a liberal party debacle. The NBN is going to be one of the best decisions our government has ever made..
News today that the entire nbn board is on the chopping block.. It's a disaster of unprecedented scale. It can't withstand a public scrutiny enquiry so what Rudd is going to do is blame Conroy.
Rudd has quite a few scores to settle with him, conroy was of the victorian left wing faction that got Gillard her safe seat & helped smother up the AWU fraud. Now that shorten has been forced to desert the vic left faction, labor is going to embark on a purge and 'reveal' that puts chairman Mao or Stalin to shame.
To blame conroy & the nbm for their massive failure now has more political points than trying to prop up the edifice of lies & coverups about it.
And guess what Rudd is going to announce....
Yes - nbn mk 2 (actually mk3) a 'new cheaper wireless later gen NBN.. Straight copy from the Liberal party Turnbull & industry Proposal.
$35 billion cheaper. Yep, it's $35 billion cheaper , and faster, 6 year rollout, straight liberal party copy.
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So all you labor nbn fan boys - you ain't ever
going to get the labor nbn 'as promised'.
You are going to get the liberal nbn.
Either way.
$13 billion wasted, 5 years lost.
That's labor for you.
Uncle Bluey

Nambour, Australia

#296 Aug 2, 2013
Nbn options wrote:
<quoted text>
Think you answer it with your question.
How would an nbn fibre fixed point connection (that will never be delivered given the roll out rate, delays and cost blowout) how would that help you get an iPhone 4g connection up in the
hills on a mobile device ? It can't.
But an advanced composite & vectored network would. At home - via fixed or community wireless. Mobile via wireless or even sat.
All seamless, all industry standard, all priced as to demand and usage - on demand, backed by a federal regulated interconnect & service obligation.- a modern state of the art NBN leveraging what we have & building on it.
Using new technology like 4g and now vectoring.
Mobile, pervasive, complete, layered and with industry investment not a taxpayer funded black
hole.
What you just asked for CAN'T be delivered by the nbn (going to take your fixed point fibre stasi net overpriced nbn cable with you up in the hills or when you are mobile ?)
But can be with the liberals plan to do it properly.
Fact is the aust nbn has literally thrown $11 billion of taxpayer money down the toilet - after 4 years no one wants it, can't use it and can't afford it. Only about $330 million of that nbn waste is salvageable (some backhaul)- all the rest is a complete write-off.
Aust nbn is the laughing stock of the industry & world - it was rated near last for usability & design and absolutely last in value for money
(2012 nbn world reviews).
Today ; the CEO has been sacked. Almost all work is stopped. The major contractors have downed tools, some are in litigation with the nbn. Industry has said it's all wrong and isp's have said they will go it alone or compete against it.
Every trial has failed. Less than 75,000 actual users exist, half subsidized or free. The drop off rate exceeds takeup and its got shocking quality of service & pricing imposts.
All up - you want advanced communications & portability and the best in class 4g and LTE ?
Then vote accordingly - liberal , as they have a proper plan and ability to achieve it.
Vote Liberal! What a joke! Australia had 13 years of Howard and we got dial up Internet speeds at the end of this period. If the 'MEAN AND TRICKY' liberal/natsl party did not always try to rob Australians with infrastructure than they may of stayed in government for the last six years!
Labor does waste taxpayers money but the coalition will not provide the necessary infrastructure so the coalition only has its self to blame for the blow out in the costs of the NBN! If the coalition win the the 2013 election then they will be on notice that if they rob Australians of infrastructure in the future they will be in opposition!
Foo blue

Australia

#297 Aug 2, 2013
Uncle Bluey wrote:
<quoted text>
Vote Liberal! What a joke! Australia had 13 years of Howard and we got dial up Internet speeds at the end of this period. If the 'MEAN AND TRICKY' liberal/natsl party did not always try to rob Australians with infrastructure than they may of stayed in government for the last six years!
Labor does waste taxpayers money but the coalition will not provide the necessary infrastructure so the coalition only has its self to
blame for the blow out in the costs of the NBN! If the coalition win the the 2013 election then they will be on notice that if they rob Australians
of infrastructure in the future they will be in opposition!
Foo aka uncle bluey - mate you have it all wrong. Labor is the party that has set back Australia a decade in comms. The labor party completed failed to get the nbn to be effective, value or timely. After 5 years the nbn has delivered.... NOTHING.
Now Rudd is about to sack the nbn board for gross incompetence & announce a 'new' nbn.
A copy of the liberal nbn plan...
How is that anything other than labor's fault top to bottom.
Fact is Rudd & Conroy Despise Each Other.
Conroy was the one with Shorten that rescued Gillard after she got sacked for the AWU fraud and then hid her in brumbies govt then got her a safe seat.
Rudd has been leaking all the dirt on Gillard & eventually parlayed that into getting his Job back.
So Rudd Will HAve NO qualms about stitching up Conroy good and proper.
Conroy & quigley will be the patsy fall guys.
Labor made the nbn mess and wasted $13 billion on DELIVERING NOTHING!!
5 lost years. Can't blame liberals for that..
And now Rudd is about to steal the liberal plan to fix and actually deliver a nbn. Next gen.
Labor voters are basically stupid I think..
Foo

Brisbane, Australia

#298 Aug 2, 2013
The NBN continues to be rolled out slowly....there has been some setbacks and delays with the asbestos bullshit , but the job is getting done , and the NBN is in use....the closer we get to the election the more you silly liberal internet trolls will attack this great piece of Labor infrastructure , but you (and Malcolm Turnbull) waist your time ...because it's what the vast majority of voters want ...and they're smarter than you seem to think they are..(lol)

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#299 Aug 3, 2013
Nbn UTurn August wrote:
<quoted text>News today that the entire nbn board is on the chopping block.. It's a disaster of unprecedented scale. It can't withstand a public scrutiny enquiry so what Rudd is going to do is blame Conroy.
Rudd has quite a few scores to settle with him, conroy was of the victorian left wing faction that got Gillard her safe seat & helped smother up the AWU fraud. Now that shorten has been forced to desert the vic left faction, labor is going to embark on a purge and 'reveal' that puts chairman Mao or Stalin to shame.
To blame conroy & the nbm for their massive failure now has more political points than trying to prop up the edifice of lies & coverups about it.
And guess what Rudd is going to announce....
Yes - nbn mk 2 (actually mk3) a 'new cheaper wireless later gen NBN.. Straight copy from the Liberal party Turnbull & industry Proposal.
$35 billion cheaper. Yep, it's $35 billion cheaper , and faster, 6 year rollout, straight liberal party copy.
-
So all you labor nbn fan boys - you ain't ever
going to get the labor nbn 'as promised'.
You are going to get the liberal nbn.
Either way.
$13 billion wasted, 5 years lost.
That's labor for you.
Keep dreaming libtard

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