NBN now completely useless

NBN now completely useless

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NBN debacle

Baulkham Hills, Australia

#1 May 14, 2013
One of the key risks in the Australian NBN was technology obsolescence.
Now it happened.
Labor has blown nearly $18 billion SO FAR in incurred or 'unrecoverable' waste on the NBN with less than 50,000 actual new paying users.. After 4 years !
And now it's ALL obselete.
5G or real LTE has arrived and offers 1gb sec at 2 kilometer ranges - a simply massive and more cost effective connectivity.
What an absolute screwup. We got a stupid 1990's post master general morse code fixed line stazi net and everything built so far by the NBN backhaul to point connections is ALL obsolete.
We got a Collins class network, an obsolete joke, some half baked bad wiring to a few political swing seats and it is honestly all rubbish and yesterday crap from design to rollout.
Borrowed from another thread, heres the article announcing the amazing transfer rates and span of wireless 5g.

EuroBoy | 14 hrs ago
"Electronics giant Samsung says it has successfully tested superfast fifth-generation (5G) wireless technology that would eventually allow users to download an entire movie in one second.

The South Korean company said the test had witnessed data transmission of more than 1Gb per second over a distance of two kilometres.
That will permit users to "transmit massive data files including high quality digital movies practically without limitation", it said."
the rest of article is available:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-14/samsung ...

What a debacle, conroy and quigley look like world class fools and we just squandered $18 billion plus on absolutely nothing, it's all scrap, back to front as none of it supports a next Gen 5 g framework.
The worlds biggest IT project failure and 100% write-off. Australia NBN.

“Topix is lowlife scum with no”

Since: Jun 12

respect for anyone...

#2 May 14, 2013
Don't worry, there's still plenty of sheeple out there that think the NBN is a good thing & "will save Australia".
Another thing you can be sure of, if we do get 5G here, we'll be ripped off something shocking to have it.

Prices on the current copper network are an insult to consumers & ISP's should be lined up against the wall for what they charge.

If the NBN ever makes it to where I live what it means in real terms is half the data allowance per month at double the price I pay now.

They can stick that where the sun don't shine as far as I'm concerned.
Foo

Carindale, Australia

#3 May 14, 2013
5G is at least 10 to 20 years away.......(lol).........are you interested , or just politically motivated for the usual reasons ?

“Fair & Balanced”

Since: Jul 12

wherever there's a mine

#4 May 14, 2013
Foo wrote:
5G is at least 10 to 20 years away.......(lol).........are you interested , or just politically motivated for the usual reasons ?
5G is 5 years away at most & copper wire is now able to deliver the same speed as currently on the NBN and Taiwan has tested 1GBps speeds on copper. Stop being an Ostrich.
EuroBoy

Australia

#5 May 14, 2013
Everyone is fixated on line speed without understanding the broader picture. Having 5G towers delivering gigabit downloads is useless without an underlying high speed network to transfer data. You can't beam from tower to tower. Also there will always be limitations with copper, and wireless, and many of the speeds reported are dependent on certain factors, such as noise, distance from the exchange, environmental conditions, quality of the wiring and so on. There are far less of these limitations with fibre. If they can get 1G out of copper imagine what is possible with a fibre network. Also NBN is about wrestling control of a vital infrastructure from telstra, a monopoly that is based on a business model of robbing consumers. NBN is about building a backbone that allows multiple vendors to connect and comptete. Well that was the initial aim. I am sure liberals once they are in will ensure that it is monopolised into another telstra, foreign owned of course.
LOL

Baulkham Hills, Australia

#6 May 14, 2013
EuroBoy wrote:
Everyone is fixated on line speed without understanding the broader picture. Having 5G towers delivering gigabit downloads is useless without an underlying high speed network to transfer data. You can't beam from tower to tower. Also there will always be limitations with copper, and wireless, and many of the speeds reported are dependent on certain factors, such as noise, distance from the exchange, environmental conditions, quality of the wiring and so on. There are far less of these limitations with fibre. If they can get 1G out of copper imagine what is possible with a fibre network. Also NBN is about wrestling control of a vital infrastructure from telstra, a monopoly that is based on a business model of robbing consumers. NBN is about building a backbone that allows multiple vendors to connect and comptete. Well that was the initial aim. I am sure liberals once they are in will ensure that it is monopolised into another telstra, foreign owned of course.
Would you really trust skips with anything to do with technology? lol

Tasmaniac

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#9 May 15, 2013
_0rion_ wrote:
Don't worry, there's still plenty of sheeple out there that think the NBN is a good thing & "will save Australia"
And you know more than the experts do you?

Tasmaniac

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#10 May 15, 2013
EuroBoy wrote:
Everyone is fixated on line speed without understanding the broader picture. Having 5G towers delivering gigabit downloads is useless without an underlying high speed network to transfer data. You can't beam from tower to tower. Also there will always be limitations with copper, and wireless, and many of the speeds reported are dependent on certain factors, such as noise, distance from the exchange, environmental conditions, quality of the wiring and so on. There are far less of these limitations with fibre. If they can get 1G out of copper imagine what is possible with a fibre network. Also NBN is about wrestling control of a vital infrastructure from telstra, a monopoly that is based on a business model of robbing consumers. NBN is about building a backbone that allows multiple vendors to connect and comptete. Well that was the initial aim. I am sure liberals once they are in will ensure that it is monopolised into another telstra, foreign owned of course.
For once, I agree with everything you posted..
klakalaka

East Maitland, Australia

#11 May 15, 2013
LOL wrote:
<quoted text>Would you really trust skips with anything to do with technology? lol
Pure rhetoric from a sh't stirring troll

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#12 May 15, 2013
Tasmaniac wrote:
<quoted text>
For once, I agree with everything you posted..
Me too?....the troll is using someone's brain?

“Topix is lowlife scum with no”

Since: Jun 12

respect for anyone...

#13 May 15, 2013
Tasmaniac wrote:
<quoted text>
And you know more than the experts do you?
I know common sense.
Becky

Nanjing, China

#14 May 15, 2013
Foo wrote:
5G is at least 10 to 20 years away.......(lol).........are you interested , or just politically motivated for the usual reasons ?
Too right, this is the way the Young Liberals get their jollies. Or should I say Young Fogeys. Or maybe Old Fogeys?
Becky

Nanjing, China

#15 May 15, 2013
Tasmaniac wrote:
<quoted text>
For once, I agree with everything you posted..
For once, me too
Becky

Hangzhou, China

#16 May 15, 2013
_0rion_ wrote:
<quoted text>
I know common sense.
Common sense might have been enough to get by on last century, in today's world you also need knowledge and specialist advice

“Topix is lowlife scum with no”

Since: Jun 12

respect for anyone...

#17 May 15, 2013
Becky wrote:
<quoted text>
Common sense might have been enough to get by on last century, in today's world you also need knowledge and specialist advice
Common sense trumps educated idiots anyday.
Becky

Hangzhou, China

#18 May 15, 2013
So if you had a broken leg you wouldn't go to an educated idiot of a doctor, or you'd rewire your own house rather than call in an educated idiot of an electrician?
You seem to be confusing common sense with gut reaction. Common sense tells you to find expert advice when something is outside of your area of expertise.
NBN is end of life

Australia

#19 May 15, 2013
Around $18 billion of what the NBN has wasted money on is throwaway. The few backhaul links were there to duplicate Telstra but that's about all. Maybe 1-2 million of the $18b spent or unwind cost is reusable.
All the rest of the NBN is obsolete and waste.
The business & logical design - wrong.
The physical design - wrong.
The assumed carriage & usage model - wrong.
The hubs & poi - wrong.
The 'bespoke unicorn OSS & BSS - wrong.
*
What the indoctrinated & NBN believers don't realize or admit is that the NBN DENIES and prevents LTE.
This 19th Stasi net, post master general morse code signalling Collins class network called the Australian NBN has the most (global ranked) onerous and anti competitive monopolization laws built around it to 'protect' and force it's usage.
Telstra & Optus (which has been for sale for 2 yrs now,,, no buyers...) are paid to not compete and they and anyone else can't offer a competitive network alternative...
Thus the Australian NBN isn't just the largest and most complete writeoff project disaster in the southern hemisphere of all time, but it will prevent any real innovation or ability to deploy LTE and 5g in several years time, massively impacting Australia competitiveness.
Basically conroy & quigley got it completely wrong. Very little (tiny fraction of $ on backhaul links) is reusable.
The rest is for the dumpster, it's all end of life or already obsolete.
Conroy & quigley were repeatedly warned by the best experts in the world that the aust NBN was on the wrong path & could not accommodate technology change or evolve with it.
Now, even before anything even got delivered, on just one such advance (5g 1g sec community 2k range no loss or contention due to a new type of adaptive antennae array )- the entire aust NBN from billing to batteries is all rendered
obsolete, top to bottom.
Not a political but a technology statement.
The entire aust NBN design, architecture and business model - is now completely obsolete and throwaway. Nothing done so far, or planned by the NBN supports future techonology and use.
It's all a massive train wreck, completely derailed by a key techonology advance that the NBN can not incorporate ~ without going right back 5 years and starting from scratch.
An absolute debacle. How to blow $18 billion and have absolutely nothing to show for it.
Becky

Nanjing, China

#20 May 15, 2013
NBN is end of life wrote:
Around $18 billion of what the NBN has wasted money on is throwaway. The few backhaul links were there to duplicate Telstra but that's about all. Maybe 1-2 million of the $18b spent or unwind cost is reusable.
All the rest of the NBN is obsolete and waste.
The business & logical design - wrong.
The physical design - wrong.
The assumed carriage & usage model - wrong.
The hubs & poi - wrong.
The 'bespoke unicorn OSS & BSS - wrong.
*
What the indoctrinated & NBN believers don't realize or admit is that the NBN DENIES and prevents LTE.
This 19th Stasi net, post master general morse code signalling Collins class network called the Australian NBN has the most (global ranked) onerous and anti competitive monopolization laws built around it to 'protect' and force it's usage.
Telstra & Optus (which has been for sale for 2 yrs now,,, no buyers...) are paid to not compete and they and anyone else can't offer a competitive network alternative...
Thus the Australian NBN isn't just the largest and most complete writeoff project disaster in the southern hemisphere of all time, but it will prevent any real innovation or ability to deploy LTE and 5g in several years time, massively impacting Australia competitiveness.
Basically conroy & quigley got it completely wrong. Very little (tiny fraction of $ on backhaul links) is reusable.
The rest is for the dumpster, it's all end of life or already obsolete.
Conroy & quigley were repeatedly warned by the best experts in the world that the aust NBN was on the wrong path & could not accommodate technology change or evolve with it.
Now, even before anything even got delivered, on just one such advance (5g 1g sec community 2k range no loss or contention due to a new type of adaptive antennae array )- the entire aust NBN from billing to batteries is all rendered
obsolete, top to bottom.
Not a political but a technology statement.
The entire aust NBN design, architecture and business model - is now completely obsolete and throwaway. Nothing done so far, or planned by the NBN supports future techonology and use.
It's all a massive train wreck, completely derailed by a key techonology advance that the NBN can not incorporate ~ without going right back 5 years and starting from scratch.
An absolute debacle. How to blow $18 billion and have absolutely nothing to show for it.
So, don't do anything in case it becomes obsolete down the track? Which, incidentally is not true of the NBN, it's just your assertion. You are pathetic. We'd still be in the stone age if you were in charge, which thank gawd you're not.
sid

Chermside, Australia

#21 May 15, 2013
Becky wrote:
<quoted text>
So, don't do anything in case it becomes obsolete down the track? Which, incidentally is not true of the NBN, it's just your assertion. You are pathetic. We'd still be in the stone age if you were in charge, which thank gawd you're not.
Crash and burn, lack of knowledge.
GoGoBar

Thailand

#22 May 15, 2013
Fibre optic is the stuff. Run a tv station from your own home. Receive ultra HD video.
The copper phone line in my last home was 95 years old. It had a wierd cloth insulation. Obsolete? Yep.

In WA, all the undergroond power cables that were laid in the old and new suburbs were coupled with fibre optic. By Western Power.
But no private company wanted to take up the option to use the fibre for broadband. Instead they wanted to bludge off Testra's network. Sure, the private nodes worked well at the local exchanges. But the roll out was slow and unreliable.

Not rolling this out is like saying that electricity should never have replaced gas last century. My old house was wired for a DC geberator as well.

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