Rural doctor scheme 'not healthy'

Jan 12, 2012 Full story: Canberra Times 49

Australia's peak doctors' group has launched a full-scale attack on the Commonwealth's effort to grow the nation's rural medical workforce.

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damien auksorius

Hobart, Australia

#1 Jan 13, 2012
they need to cut the lengh it takes to qualify as a doctor.its too long
peter auksorius

Hobart, Australia

#2 Jan 15, 2012
we need more professional doctors in australia,the government needs to give people incentives so as to get into this profession.
Elias

Glen Waverley, Australia

#3 Jan 15, 2012
damien auksorius wrote:
they need to cut the lengh it takes to qualify as a doctor.its too long
They can't do this for safety reasons graduates must be "fully" trained to be at a minimum standard to treat people with illness.

What they can do (as a shortcut) is to either
a) increase the number of university places by funneling money into universities or;
b) reduce the hurdles for foreign trained doctors to be registered in Australia.

The reality is governments (commonwealth and state) are short on money to fund the university sector and (following the Jayant Patel case) extremely wary of foreign trained doctors.
auksorius surname

Hobart, Australia

#4 Jan 19, 2012
too many people are going into computers and stuff.
auksorius surname

Hobart, Australia

#5 Jan 22, 2012
it takes too many years to become a doctor they need to fast track the leng it takes.
Elias

Glen Waverley, Australia

#6 Jan 22, 2012
auksorius surname wrote:
it takes too many years to become a doctor they need to fast track the leng it takes.
GPs have to learn a considerable amount to ensure they can provide the best treatment to patients on their first port of call. Specialists have to learn even more! it's simply not possible to fastrak training, the losers will be patients.
damien auksorius

Hobart, Australia

#7 Jan 23, 2012
Elias wrote:
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GPs have to learn a considerable amount to ensure they can provide the best treatment to patients on their first port of call. Specialists have to learn even more! it's simply not possible to fastrak training, the losers will be patients.
you can simply finish the training while your on the job,ive done it and it worked ,night school etc.

“We don't have to take it”

Since: Jun 08

WhereTFamI?

#8 Jan 23, 2012
Elias wrote:
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They can't do this for safety reasons graduates must be "fully" trained to be at a minimum standard to treat people with illness.
What they can do (as a shortcut) is to either
a) increase the number of university places by funneling money into universities or;
b) reduce the hurdles for foreign trained doctors to be registered in Australia.
The reality is governments (commonwealth and state) are short on money to fund the university sector and (following the Jayant Patel case) extremely wary of foreign trained doctors.
Yeah, great idea Elias, "reduce the hurdles for foreign trained doctors" and we end up with even more Patels... and not understanding a word they say!

When I finished my nurses training I applied for a job in New Zealand. My application was accepted on the condition I did 12 months MORE training in New Zealand (I'd already done 4 years) as Aussie trained nurses in those days weren't considered up to scratch for NZ standards... yet we topped them in the National exam results.

I refused and got married instead.
Elias

Glen Waverley, Australia

#9 Jan 23, 2012
Gottaliv wrote:
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Yeah, great idea Elias, "reduce the hurdles for foreign trained doctors" and we end up with even more Patels... and not understanding a word they say!
I wasn't advocating this, I just said this is an option.
Gottaliv wrote:
When I finished my nurses training I applied for a job in New Zealand. My application was accepted on the condition I did 12 months MORE training in New Zealand (I'd already done 4 years) as Aussie trained nurses in those days weren't considered up to scratch for NZ standards... yet we topped them in the National exam results.
I refused and got married instead.
Who'd believe we both trained to be in the health industry. Any chance you'd get rid of the shorts on your nic and replace it with you in a nursey outfit?
stuart auksorius

Hobart, Australia

#10 Jan 24, 2012
i believe they shouldm fast track young doctors through the system.
Elias

Glen Waverley, Australia

#11 Jan 24, 2012
stuart auksorius wrote:
i believe they shouldm fast track young doctors through the system.
Perhaps they could have primary healthcare workers like nurses getting certification/medicare number to treat patients with "specific ailments" and give prescriptions. This is Ok to treat coughs and colds and stitch cuts or give referrals.

The problem here is nurses or "fastracked" doctors are unlikely to help if there is a novel virus (like Swine flu) or something out of the ordinary.

“We don't have to take it”

Since: Jun 08

WhereTFamI?

#12 Jan 25, 2012
Elias wrote:
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Perhaps they could have primary healthcare workers like nurses getting certification/medicare number to treat patients with "specific ailments" and give prescriptions. This is Ok to treat coughs and colds and stitch cuts or give referrals.
The problem here is nurses or "fastracked" doctors are unlikely to help if there is a novel virus (like Swine flu) or something out of the ordinary.
How do you know what a "specific ailment" is?

My son was very sick once and an female Aussie doctor sat on her side of the desk, didn't take his temp, never examined him in any way, and diagnosed he had the "flu" which was going around. She gave me a script for anti-biotics.

I left the surgery knowing he didn't have the flu. I didn't get the script filled.

I took him to the Base hosp that night. Waited for 3 hours to see a doctor. Left after 5 hours without him being seen.

Took him to another doctor I knew well the next day, who said to me, "You already know what's wrong with him don't you."

I said, "I'm guessing Menigitis."

He was rushed to the Base, given a spinal immediately, the result was Viral Meningitis. Luckily he recovered.

Point is,'some' nurses know what's what, other's don't have a clue. I don't believe in nurses diagnosing patients.

Other point is, I'm not a doctor, yet I knew what my son had... why didn't that female doctor... who had been practising for 25 years?

So who would you be willing to take a chance with, a nurse or a doctor?

My choice would be a Vet, as their patients can't even tell them how they feel let alone describe symptoms, and most Vets get it right anyway.
robert auksorius

Hobart, Australia

#13 Jan 27, 2012
if it didnt take 10 years to become a doctor id have gotton into this profession,
Elias

Glen Waverley, Australia

#14 Jan 27, 2012
Gottaliv wrote:
<quoted text>Point is,'some' nurses know what's what, other's don't have a clue. I don't believe in nurses diagnosing patients.
There pros and cons. It has to do with lack of services in certain areas (particularly regional). A nurse may be better than nothing.
Gottaliv wrote:
Other point is, I'm not a doctor, yet I knew what my son had... why didn't that female doctor... who had been practising for 25 years? So who would you be willing to take a chance with, a nurse or a doctor?
It's all a lottery really. You would (normally)expect a more experienced doctor to have experience with identifying broader range of illness and associated symptoms.
Gottaliv wrote:
My choice would be a Vet, as their patients can't even tell them how they feel let alone describe symptoms, and most Vets get it right anyway.
I know a couple of retired vets and they would have an issue with diagnosing humans. Pets and stock animals have very specific symptoms to certain viruses that don't cross over into humans.
Elias

Glen Waverley, Australia

#15 Jan 27, 2012
robert auksorius wrote:
if it didnt take 10 years to become a doctor id have gotton into this profession,
Ten years flies faster than you think. Anyway it's not 10, it's only 5 years.

Since: Mar 11

Newcastle

#16 Jan 27, 2012
Elias wrote:
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They can't do this for safety reasons graduates must be "fully" trained to be at a minimum standard to treat people with illness.
What they can do (as a shortcut) is to either
a) increase the number of university places by funneling money into universities or;
b) reduce the hurdles for foreign trained doctors to be registered in Australia.
The reality is governments (commonwealth and state) are short on money to fund the university sector and (following the Jayant Patel case) extremely wary of foreign trained doctors.
They could let the graduates work off their HECS debt by posting to rural areas.
Or offer full scholarships in return for working out of metropolitan areas.
damien auksorius

Hobart, Australia

#17 Jan 27, 2012
they need to fast track how long it takes too become a doctor

Since: Mar 11

Newcastle

#18 Jan 27, 2012
damien auksorius wrote:
they need to fast track how long it takes too become a doctor
Would you be happy to be treated by someone who did the abridged course? Enough mistakes happen now, without reducing the quality of training.
Sir Arnaud de Bee

Mississauga, Canada

#19 Jan 27, 2012
Another Dave wrote:
<quoted text>Would you be happy to be treated by someone who did the abridged course? Enough mistakes happen now, without reducing the quality of training.
The final countdown to your annihilation has begun.

Do yourself a favor and self-implode.

Since: Mar 11

Newcastle

#20 Jan 27, 2012
Sir Arnaud de Bee wrote:
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The final countdown to your annihilation has begun.
Do yourself a favor and self-implode.
Again? LOL

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