Australia - Crime involving guns Rose after Gun Ban

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Good Aussies

Germany

#1 Dec 31, 2012
http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php...

It is a common fantasy that gun bans make society safer. In 2002 -- five years after enacting its gun ban -- the Australian Bureau of Criminology acknowledged there is no correlation between gun control and the use of firearms in violent crime. In fact, the percent of murders committed with a firearm was the highest it had ever been in 2006 (16.3 percent), says the D.C. Examiner.

Even Australia's Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime:

In 2006, assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.

Moreover, Australia and the United States -- where no gun-ban exists -- both experienced similar decreases in murder rates:

Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9 percent decrease; without a gun ban, America's rate dropped 31.7 percent.
During the same time period, all other violent crime indices increased in Australia: assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
At the same time, U.S. violent crime decreased 31.8 percent: rape dropped 19.2 percent; robbery decreased 33.2 percent; aggravated assault dropped 32.2 percent.
Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women.

While this doesn't prove that more guns would impact crime rates, it does prove that gun control is a flawed policy. Furthermore, this highlights the most important point: gun banners promote failed policy regardless of the consequences to the people who must live with them, says the Examiner.

Source: Howard Nemerov, "Australia experiencing more violent crime despite gun ban," D.C. Examiner, April 8, 2009.
ManWithNoBum

Perth, Australia

#2 Jan 8, 2013
Good research
Mid Term 2014

Canton, GA

#3 Jan 10, 2013
The Australian people should start trying to get their natural right of self defense back, and do away with this gun ban they've lived with for so many years.

Here in the USA the gun grabbers think they have gun owners on the ropes, but I'm encouraged when I read news articles like the one I've link to below.

NRA membership soars
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/nra-100...

Join the pro gun group of your choice, but please join, gun owners need to be active to protect our rights. I've included four links, there are many more at the local level.

NRA online membership
http://membership.nrahq.org/
Mid Term 2014

Canton, GA

#4 Jan 10, 2013
NRA online membership
http://membership.nrahq.org/

Join Gun Owners of America
http://gunowners.co/new-membership

Jews For The Preservation Of Firearms Ownership
http://jpfo.org/

Illinois State Rifle Association
http://www.isra.org/
Ranger Rick

Carlsbad, NM

#5 Jan 17, 2013
There are evil people in our society. Whether or not they have guns is irrelevant. Everybody needs to recognize this or this problem will NOT be solved. Regardless of whether these bad people use guns, ammonium nitrate and diesel fuel, box cutters, or whatever, they will find some tool to perform the evil that they want to do. Infringing on the rights of the millions of law-abiding owners of guns, box cutters, and/or fertilizer & diesel fuel will not fix the problem.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#6 Jan 17, 2013
It was widely reported to have dropped until people learnt how to source guns from overseas. Especially from the states.

To the yanks in here spouting their pro gun propaganda: fuck off and stop trying to spread your bullshit in our country. Your pro gun bullshit is nothing other than a joke. Hopefully karma will come back and bite you in the way of a shot to the head. Fucktards...
Jodi

Australia

#8 Jan 18, 2013
Thank god for people like good Aussies, mid term 2014 and ranger rick.... We need more level headed people like you all... As for the fucktard from tassie, what the hell... It's moronic, uneducated, head up your arse or in the sand, jokers like you that is wrong with the world...... Getting guns from America, are you tripping.... Wake up and smell the bullshit buddy. Your, mine, our government don't give a flying fuck about us. They poison the water, which you drink far to much of... They spray the air with shit, they inject us with crap, but oh don't give them guns to kill themselves with, don't let them use guns those things are bad, it might hurt the people we give such a shit about... Research mate, give it ago. Do you even know what 42.2% rise of violent crimes means..... That's nearly half the population a few years ago, more now, that have been involved in crime, because we don't have guns to protect ourselves. Go american citizens. DONT GIVE UP YOUR FREEDOM or your GUNS. From a Real Australian.

Since: Apr 11

Roma, QLD

#9 Jan 18, 2013
The only people safe from oppression are those capable of arming themselves, I believe in tighter restrictions and background checks, but I think it's morally wrong to disarm a populace, it's easier to control a tiger that has been defanged and declawed.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#10 Jan 18, 2013
Jodi wrote:
Thank god for people like good Aussies, mid term 2014 and ranger rick.... We need more level headed people like you all... As for the fucktard from tassie, what the hell... It's moronic, uneducated, head up your arse or in the sand, jokers like you that is wrong with the world...... Getting guns from America, are you tripping.... Wake up and smell the bullshit buddy. Your, mine, our government don't give a flying fuck about us. They poison the water, which you drink far to much of... They spray the air with shit, they inject us with crap, but oh don't give them guns to kill themselves with, don't let them use guns those things are bad, it might hurt the people we give such a shit about... Research mate, give it ago. Do you even know what 42.2% rise of violent crimes means..... That's nearly half the population a few years ago, more now, that have been involved in crime, because we don't have guns to protect ourselves. Go american citizens. DONT GIVE UP YOUR FREEDOM or your GUNS. From a Real Australian.
It's hard to reason with someone who blindly follows the propaganda the NRA is spreading. Gun deaths dropped when we had our amnesty. Now they are back up because people are getting more guns in again. We have proven that less guns equals less deaths. If you are that dumb you can't understand that, you're a waste of time. Although that was pretty much proven when you mentioned the water, spraying the air and all that crap. Don't reply. You're an oxygen thief and I've already wasted enough time on you..
Penguin

Perth, Australia

#11 Jan 18, 2013
Tasmaniac wrote:
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It's hard to reason with someone who blindly follows the propaganda the NRA is spreading. Gun deaths dropped when we had our amnesty. Now they are back up because people are getting more guns in again. We have proven that less guns equals less deaths. If you are that dumb you can't understand that, you're a waste of time. Although that was pretty much proven when you mentioned the water, spraying the air and all that crap. Don't reply. You're an oxygen thief and I've already wasted enough time on you..
If they dont have guns they will use knives.
England totally banned handguns and now crime involving handguns has risen higher than when handguns were legal.
Crims never use legal guns to begin with so taking legal guns from non criminals is just a load of crap.
Typical Tasmanian homo logic to ban guns. Would not expect much more from the home of Bob Brown and his bum chums.

Since: Nov 12

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#12 Jan 19, 2013
Penguin wrote:
<quoted text>If they dont have guns they will use knives.
England totally banned handguns and now crime involving handguns has risen higher than when handguns were legal.
Crims never use legal guns to begin with so taking legal guns from non criminals is just a load of crap.
Typical Tasmanian homo logic to ban guns. Would not expect much more from the home of Bob Brown and his bum chums.
And how often has a massacre occurred when using a knife fucktard?
Nevile Bonner

Kemerovo, Russia

#13 Jan 19, 2013
Tasmaniac wrote:
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And how often has a massacre occurred when using a knife fucktard?
What difference does it make how fast the murders occur ?
If 10 people are killed in 10 minutes or in 10 days... its still the same ammount of people killed massacre or not.
Whats wrong with you homos ? scared of guns... did your mommy dress you up as a girl when you were born ?
Jonathan

Satellite Provider

#15 Jan 19, 2013
Oh you're not scared of guns?
Let's see how you deal with that when a guy pulls out a gun on you!

With gun control kids like Adam Lanza, the Virginia tech guy and the Columbine kids won't even be allowed to buy a handgun.

If they'd used knives instead of semi automatic rifles the death toll would have been far lower wouldn't you think?
Nevile Bonner

Kemerovo, Russia

#16 Jan 19, 2013
Jonathan wrote:
Oh you're not scared of guns?
Let's see how you deal with that when a guy pulls out a gun on you!
With gun control kids like Adam Lanza, the Virginia tech guy and the Columbine kids won't even be allowed to buy a handgun.
If they'd used knives instead of semi automatic rifles the death toll would have been far lower wouldn't you think?
Go and cry somewhere else liberal queer
Anyone can buy a gun....
Laws have never stopped crims getting guns.
Same as prohibition didnt stop alcohol.
It just creates a bigger black market.
GoGoBar

Bangkok, Thailand

#18 Jan 19, 2013
USA Murders 4.8/100,000
US Gun Murders 3.7/100,00

4.8-3.7 = 1.1

Aust Murders 1.1/100,000

Aust Violent Crime 1040/100,000

http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/current%20...

US Violent Crime 2250/100,000

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv11.pdf

The USA does not count sexual assault as rape until next year. They have been reporting the 1927 definition for ever.

The USA also only reports Aggrevated assaults. To add simple assaults you have to go to BOJ figures.

The USA is the most violent wealthy nation, followed closely by the UK.

Who needs a gun at a fist fight.

Since: Apr 11

Roma, QLD

#19 Jan 20, 2013
GoGoBar wrote:
USA Murders 4.8/100,000
US Gun Murders 3.7/100,00

4.8-3.7 = 1.1

Aust Murders 1.1/100,000

Aust Violent Crime 1040/100,000

http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/current%20...

US Violent Crime 2250/100,000

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv11.pdf

The USA does not count sexual assault as rape until next year. They have been reporting the 1927 definition for ever.

The USA also only reports Aggrevated assaults. To add simple assaults you have to go to BOJ figures.

The USA is the most violent wealthy nation, followed closely by the UK.

Who needs a gun at a fist fight.
All boils down to an angry divided society, a large factor is large scale immigration, legal and illegal.
GoGoBar

Bangkok, Thailand

#21 Jan 20, 2013
Australian Bigot wrote:
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All boils down to an angry divided society, a large factor is large scale immigration, legal and illegal.
All good reasons.
Immigration has been an artificial growth factor in western countries for decades. It worked as long as the Govts. local and State could afford to develop land and infrastructure at reasonable prices for private enterprise to build suburbs and malls.

Now that the fuel price has made the automobile unaffordable, the unplanned mass transit systems are innadequate to offer a similar level of comfort, safety and privacy of the automobile. People must share space with fellows of disparate backgrounds. Familiararity breeds contempt.

Coupled with the rise of the multi - national corporations who do not pay taxes, revenues to speedily address any social infrastructure is unavailable. Any attempt to tax at the source of production, such as a mining tax or carbon tax are met with cries of tyranny by the middle and upperclasses, who generally are older and have outdated perceptions.

In short, there are not enough young white colonialist progeny being born to pay for the welfare of the increasingly older population.

All the wealth that can have been extracted from the countries has been distributed amongst the wealthy and growth of their wealth can only be found in developing unwealthy countries.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#23 Jan 20, 2013
Nevile Bonner wrote:
<quoted text>What difference does it make how fast the murders occur ?
If 10 people are killed in 10 minutes or in 10 days... its still the same ammount of people killed massacre or not.
Whats wrong with you homos ? scared of guns... did your mommy dress you up as a girl when you were born ?
It makes a massive difference dumbass. A person with a gun can kill a heap of people before the cops arrive. A person with a knife poses much less risk.
Since most countries have effective gun control which prevents tens of thousands of gun deaths. That makes the US the odd one out. And you, a mindless fucktard..

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#24 Jan 20, 2013
Nevile Bonner wrote:
<quoted text>Go and cry somewhere else liberal queer
Anyone can buy a gun....
Laws have never stopped crims getting guns.
Same as prohibition didnt stop alcohol.
It just creates a bigger black market.
Typical American fucktard that blindly believes the NRA propaganda. Answer the question..
Nevile Bonner

Kemerovo, Russia

#25 Jan 20, 2013
Tasmaniac wrote:
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Typical American fucktard that blindly believes the NRA propaganda. Answer the question..
...as oppossed to a left wing loser who is pro pedophile
All Tasmanians are fwits... the whole country jokes about them.
Why dont you float away with bob brown and your queer population.
Are your partents cousins like 90%of the tas popualtion ?

And semi autos already are banned here so how is a ban going to help Australia ?

I notice its always child molesters and gays that have a phobia about guns.... maybe because they fear facing a firing squad one day when they get caught for molesting kids.

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