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“Topix is lowlife scum with no”

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#1 Feb 20, 2013
As predicted we are getting scammed & ripped off by a tax that will do zero to help the environment.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-02-20/consume...
Teaman

Mount Holly, NJ

#2 Feb 20, 2013
_0rion_ wrote:
As predicted we are getting scammed & ripped off by a tax that will do zero to help the environment.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-02-20/consume...
Yes indeed. I discovered the Australian forum in a tea party forum when the Australian tea party posted a link there discussing the carbon tax scheme.

I am thankful we, local tea party groups, and the Americans for Prosperity were able to persuade the governor to pull out of a
local 10 state carbon tax agreement called RGGI. The utility costs went up in the states that remained in the carbon tax scheme while ours did not. It doesn't do anything for the environment. The utility companies simply pass the costs on to the consumer as companies always do. The fact these carbon permits are traded in a private auction should have been a clue it's a rich man's scheme.

http://americansforprosperity.org/new-jersey/...

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-12-09/carb...

“Topix is lowlife scum with no”

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#3 Feb 20, 2013
Teaman wrote:
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Yes indeed. I discovered the Australian forum in a tea party forum when the Australian tea party posted a link there discussing the carbon tax scheme.
I am thankful we, local tea party groups, and the Americans for Prosperity were able to persuade the governor to pull out of a
local 10 state carbon tax agreement called RGGI. The utility costs went up in the states that remained in the carbon tax scheme while ours did not. It doesn't do anything for the environment. The utility companies simply pass the costs on to the consumer as companies always do. The fact these carbon permits are traded in a private auction should have been a clue it's a rich man's scheme.
http://americansforprosperity.org/new-jersey/...
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-12-09/carb...
Interesting reading, thanks.

The sheeple here haven't woken up to it yet, most of them still think it's a good thing & it's going to save the environment.
There's no doubt in my mind it's only going line already full pockets of the greedy with more money.

I wish our states were given the choice.
Instead we had it forced on us all by the federal govt..
That was after we were lied to by the prime minister before an election.
Her words were before the election "There will be no carbon tax under under a government I lead"
Not long after the election, which they won, the carbon tax was forced on us all.

Since then we've enjoyed diesel at $1.60 per litre, up from $1.40, 3 monthly power bills $150 higher than the same period last year with less kw/hours used, groceries more expensive etc. etc. etc., the list goes on...
Teaman

Mount Holly, NJ

#4 Feb 20, 2013
_0rion_ wrote:
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Interesting reading, thanks.
The sheeple here haven't woken up to it yet, most of them still think it's a good thing & it's going to save the environment.
There's no doubt in my mind it's only going line already full pockets of the greedy with more money.
I wish our states were given the choice.
Instead we had it forced on us all by the federal govt..
That was after we were lied to by the prime minister before an election.
Her words were before the election "There will be no carbon tax under under a government I lead"
Not long after the election, which they won, the carbon tax was forced on us all.
Since then we've enjoyed diesel at $1.60 per litre, up from $1.40, 3 monthly power bills $150 higher than the same period last year with less kw/hours used, groceries more expensive etc. etc. etc., the list goes on...
Our states wouldn't have a choice either if it became federal law. RGGI was a local 10 state agreement states entered on 'their own. A federal law could happen if the democrats gain a super majority as they had when Obamacare was passed. About 26 states are revolting against that by not setting up health insurance exchanges, though.

The power bill was always high even without a carbon tax. I pay about $240. a single month here. A carbon tax would have hurt.

Groceries are going up here also. Ethanol fuel subsidies are mostly the cause of that. The cattle feed is up due to corn being fermented into alcohol. Another stupid left wing idea.
Foo

Nambour, Australia

#5 Feb 20, 2013
_0rion_ wrote:
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Interesting reading, thanks.
The sheeple here haven't woken up to it yet, most of them still think it's a good thing & it's going to save the environment.
There's no doubt in my mind it's only going line already full pockets of the greedy with more money.
I wish our states were given the choice.
Instead we had it forced on us all by the federal govt..
That was after we were lied to by the prime minister before an election.
Her words were before the election "There will be no carbon tax under under a government I lead"
Not long after the election, which they won, the carbon tax was forced on us all.
Since then we've enjoyed diesel at $1.60 per litre, up from $1.40, 3 monthly power bills $150 higher than the same period last year with less kw/hours used, groceries more expensive etc. etc. etc., the list goes on...
The only thing that has risen because of the carbon tax , is the power bills.....but they only went up , as predicted , and people were compensated for it....it's a bit early to be righting it off while Europe is still in a slump.....but if it does not have the desired effect over the next year or two , get rid of it for sure.In principal , I think it's a good idea , but if it doesn't work , alternative ways to clean up energy production and consumption should be looked at. The rightwing supporters in Australia are still badly wounded by the reality that it did not wreak economic destruction when it was introduced , as they predicted it would......(lol)....the multi-national energy conglomerates ,who are one of the major supporters of rightwing political parties around the world , would prefer to have no laws whatsoever to keep them in check - they prefer to be a law unto themselves..........and the US Teaparty is an organisation full of fruitcakes and madhatters......(lol)

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#6 Feb 20, 2013
Foo wrote:
<quoted text>The only thing that has risen because of the carbon tax , is the power bills.....but they only went up , as predicted , and people were compensated for it....it's a bit early to be righting it off while Europe is still in a slump.....but if it does not have the desired effect over the next year or two , get rid of it for sure.In principal , I think it's a good idea , but if it doesn't work , alternative ways to clean up energy production and consumption should be looked at. The rightwing supporters in Australia are still badly wounded by the reality that it did not wreak economic destruction when it was introduced , as they predicted it would......(lol)....the multi-national energy conglomerates ,who are one of the major supporters of rightwing political parties around the world , would prefer to have no laws whatsoever to keep them in check - they prefer to be a law unto themselves..........and the US Teaparty is an organisation full of fruitcakes and madhatters......(lol)
FACT :: pensioners are worse off because of the CT by 40c/wk.

And everything that needs refrigeration/freezing rose because of the CT. And if the price didn't rise the packet size decreased.

And if you understood the tax system you'd see Labor lied about the compensation. While the tax free threshold rose to $18k they cut the Low Income Tax Subsidy from $1600 to $445. SO most low income workers are better off by less than $2 under the new tax. So many are worse off and are to stup1d to know it (until tax time).

And who let the Mines right the MRRT? Not Abbott. Whose giving coal power companies $500m+ compensation for passing on their costs of the CT in full to consumers? Not Abbott. BTW the CT hasn't officially raised a cent yet - the MYEFO reported expected revenue not actual revenue.
Teaman

Mount Holly, NJ

#7 Feb 20, 2013
Foo wrote:
<quoted text>The only thing that has risen because of the carbon tax , is the power bills.....but they only went up , as predicted , and people were compensated for it....it's a bit early to be righting it off while Europe is still in a slump.....but if it does not have the desired effect over the next year or two , get rid of it for sure.In principal , I think it's a good idea , but if it doesn't work , alternative ways to clean up energy production and consumption should be looked at. The rightwing supporters in Australia are still badly wounded by the reality that it did not wreak economic destruction when it was introduced , as they predicted it would......(lol)....the multi-national energy conglomerates ,who are one of the major supporters of rightwing political parties around the world , would prefer to have no laws whatsoever to keep them in check - they prefer to be a law unto themselves..........and the US Teaparty is an organisation full of fruitcakes and madhatters......(lol)
Why don't you tell this fruitcake and mad hatter how this scheme does anything for the environment? The utility companies simply purchase more carbon permits from the likes of Al Gore who bought them in a closed private auction and pass the additional expense on to the consumer. Nothing is done about the carbon, which is probably another scheme.
Foo

Nambour, Australia

#8 Feb 20, 2013
chefboy812 wrote:
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And who let the Mines right the MRRT? Not Abbott.
So now , you prefer to forget the fact that Abbott joined forces with the mining industry to screw Australia over Rudds MRRT ?.....ok , it's now all Labors fault?.....that's the Abbott 2-step spin around and shuffle........(lol)

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Since: Jul 12

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#10 Feb 20, 2013
Foo wrote:
<quoted text>So now , you prefer to forget the fact that Abbott joined forces with the mining industry to screw Australia over Rudds MRRT ?.....ok , it's now all Labors fault?.....that's the Abbott 2-step spin around and shuffle........(lol)
As a Labor member you would know Rudds PRRT was completely different to Gillards MRRT. If not farck off.

For one it wasn't written by the mining companies. 2) it didn't discount state royalties when calculating how much extra tax mining companies should pay. 3) It didn't allow mining companies to write off equipment again at cost value over the life of the mine. 4) Treasury couldn't model Gillards MRRT because it had no data as to what the cost value of equipment that was going to be included was. Swan took a big farking guess & missed by a mile. And people wonder why the MRRT is making no money.

So grow up & stop blaming Abbott for Labors farck-ups.

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Since: Jul 12

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#11 Feb 20, 2013
Foo to show how farcked up Labor are - a professional economist ALP backbencher Andrew Leigh said 2 weeks ago that a budget surplus was still possible.

Suppose that's Abbotts fault Leigh is retarded?
ando

Geelong, Australia

#12 Feb 20, 2013
what a ridiculous statement. what do you think is used to power manufacturing, offices, etc, etc........fairy dust?

Any extra cost that companies incur, will be passed on to the consumer.

So alps 'working families' get slugged extra for their own personal electricity useage PLUS the increased cost of goods and services.

Our water bills also have doubled because of alp/greens climate alarmism.
Foo wrote:
<quoted text>The only thing that has risen because of the carbon tax , is the power bills.....

“Topix is lowlife scum with no”

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#14 Feb 20, 2013
Foo wrote:
<quoted text>The only thing that has risen because of the carbon tax , is the power bills.....but they only went up , as predicted , and people were compensated for it....it's a bit early to be righting it off while Europe is still in a slump.....but if it does not have the desired effect over the next year or two , get rid of it for sure.In principal , I think it's a good idea , but if it doesn't work , alternative ways to clean up energy production and consumption should be looked at. The rightwing supporters in Australia are still badly wounded by the reality that it did not wreak economic destruction when it was introduced , as they predicted it would......(lol)....the multi-national energy conglomerates ,who are one of the major supporters of rightwing political parties around the world , would prefer to have no laws whatsoever to keep them in check - they prefer to be a law unto themselves..........and the US Teaparty is an organisation full of fruitcakes and madhatters......(lol)
And as has been mentioned many times it will take time before the full effects are realised.
I remember Gillard crowing about how the country was still here etc. etc. the day after it was introduced, which shows the true arrogance of that pig of a woman for even saying such a thing.
For a start increased freight costs are passed on by businesses to consumers & whether you agree or not, that means price increases.
Perhaps in the cities you aren't seeing the price hikes on everything like we are in the country?

Multi-national energy conglomerates already are a law unto themselves.
If they weren't we wouldn't be paying so much for electricity.
Alternative ways to clean up energy production should be looked at now.
Trading carbon credits & stinging the people with a useless tax won't do anything but increase the wealth of the greedy.
scammed

Melbourne, Australia

#15 Feb 21, 2013
I was in Whyalla earlier this week.
Yep it's still there!
Foo

Nambour, Australia

#16 Feb 21, 2013
chefboy812 wrote:
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As a Labor member you would know Rudds PRRT was completely different to Gillards MRRT. If not farck off.
.
For starters I am not , nor have ever been a member of the Labor Party........(lol)......Rudds MRRT should have been approved by both side of politics , because we own the resource , not the miners....DOH !...Gillard was forced to compromise , by the onslaught of big money for the public campaign against the tax (100 million dollars !!!!!)....and don't you ever farrrkin forget it !!!!! that was an act of complete anti-Australian bastardry by someone who considers that he should be PM......you have got to be joking!......where's the surplus ?....well , its in the mining companies bank account , isn't it !

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#17 Feb 21, 2013
Foo wrote:
<quoted text>For starters I am not , nor have ever been a member of the Labor Party........(lol)......Rudds MRRT should have been approved by both side of politics , because we own the resource , not the miners....DOH !...Gillard was forced to compromise , by the onslaught of big money for the public campaign against the tax (100 million dollars !!!!!)....and don't you ever farrrkin forget it !!!!! that was an act of complete anti-Australian bastardry by someone who considers that he should be PM......you have got to be joking!......where's the surplus ?....well , its in the mining companies bank account , isn't it !
Gillard sold Australia out & got into bed with the greens to be PM. Don't you be stup1d & think anything else. And Swan farcked everything up. He is seriously beyond a spastic. If he only listened to Treasury we would be cruising on easy street with money in the bank but in his farcked up head he thinks he knows better.

Rudd could have passed his mining tax easily with only the help of the Greens in the Senate, who were keen to pass it - but he lacked spine to introduce it to parliament. So it's Abbotts fault Rudds was Spineless?

Just admit the MRRT is a farcking joke - needs to be scrapped & Swan & Gillard need to introduce Rudds version of a mining tax. LMAO won't that go down well. Or maybe Swan should listen to treasury.

Here you go Foo take this to your next ALP meeting. Tax mining companies on Gross surplus (profit) which would raise and additional $5.5b to $7b and scrapping heavy deisel fuel rebate to mining would save another $2b/yr. Look over the next 4 years that would raised 4 times more than the farcked up MRRT was ever intended to, and as commodity prices boom again that revenue would increase even more. BTW not my idea - another treasury idea Swan chose to avoid.

And If Swans MRRT worked as he intended you still have a massive deficit because it was only going to raise $2b this year - so in your delusional world how is the surplus in the pockets of the mining industry? Do you even know how much tax the mining companies pay? Including state royalties over $25b - and that was down due to low commodity prices.

Wake up to yourself & realise Labor have made a dogs breakfast over the mining & carbon tax's.
MalbarCACA Controllers

UK

#18 Feb 21, 2013
chefboy812 wrote:
<quoted text>
Gillard sold Australia out & got into bed with the greens to be PM. Don't you be stup1d & think anything else. And Swan farcked everything up. He is seriously beyond a spastic. If he only listened to Treasury we would be cruising on easy street with money in the bank but in his farcked up head he thinks he knows better.
Rudd could have passed his mining tax easily with only the help of the Greens in the Senate, who were keen to pass it - but he lacked spine to introduce it to parliament. So it's Abbotts fault Rudds was Spineless?
Just admit the MRRT is a farcking joke - needs to be scrapped & Swan & Gillard need to introduce Rudds version of a mining tax. LMAO won't that go down well. Or maybe Swan should listen to treasury.
Here you go Foo take this to your next ALP meeting. Tax mining companies on Gross surplus (profit) which would raise and additional $5.5b to $7b and scrapping heavy deisel fuel rebate to mining would save another $2b/yr. Look over the next 4 years that would raised 4 times more than the farcked up MRRT was ever intended to, and as commodity prices boom again that revenue would increase even more. BTW not my idea - another treasury idea Swan chose to avoid.
And If Swans MRRT worked as he intended you still have a massive deficit because it was only going to raise $2b this year - so in your delusional world how is the surplus in the pockets of the mining industry? Do you even know how much tax the mining companies pay? Including state royalties over $25b - and that was down due to low commodity prices.
Wake up to yourself & realise Labor have made a dogs breakfast over the mining & carbon tax's.
Like this response from one your admirers in another thread, bavarchi:

You sound like you need an attitude adjustment. The earlier commenter with the screamer Chinese girlfriend into giving him enemas would make a perfect teacher for you. If would be funny to see you strapped into a stock in her dungeon and give you some BDSM. She will ball gag you, give you an enema, stick a butt plug in your ass, and use your crotch as a soccer ball. You like that "man bitch"? Does a petite Asian chick giving you BDSM in a dominatrix turn you on!? LOL!

ROTFLMAOAY!!!

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#20 Feb 21, 2013
Blonde girl wrote:
We need to spend more money to feed those poor Afghan refugees. We must provide them with free houses, free ps3, free cigarettes etc
now your a blonde girl arab ... you like cross dressing?
wobble wobble off
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#21 Feb 21, 2013
chefboy812 wrote:
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now your a blonde girl arab ... you like cross dressing?
wobble wobble off
We like this:

You sound like you need an attitude adjustment. The earlier commenter with the screamer Chinese girlfriend into giving him enemas would make a perfect teacher for you. If would be funny to see you strapped into a stock in her dungeon and give you some BDSM. She will ball gag you, give you an enema, stick a butt plug in your ass, and use your crotch as a soccer ball. You like that "man bitch"? Does a petite Asian chick giving you BDSM in a dominatrix turn you on!? LOL!

ROTFLMAOAY!!!

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#22 Feb 21, 2013
The Fixers wrote:
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We like this:
You sound like you need an attitude adjustment. The earlier commenter with the screamer Chinese girlfriend into giving him enemas would make a perfect teacher for you. If would be funny to see you strapped into a stock in her dungeon and give you some BDSM. She will ball gag you, give you an enema, stick a butt plug in your ass, and use your crotch as a soccer ball. You like that "man bitch"? Does a petite Asian chick giving you BDSM in a dominatrix turn you on!? LOL!
ROTFLMAOAY!!!
quick .... you've missed a few post in the UK & Canada you haven't attached that to.
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#23 Feb 21, 2013
chefboy812 wrote:
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quick .... you've missed a few post in the UK & Canada you haven't attached that to.
Where, provide links please.

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