Australia before multiculturalism
Sex_God_9000

Fairfield, Australia

#347 Jan 24, 2013
Greek and Italian women are extremely ugly. They are very ahiry and even their nipples have thick hairs.
yeah right

Melbourne, Australia

#348 Jan 24, 2013
PaulKeating wrote:
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The IMF thing was in jest. I do believe in substantially increasing our population and building more dense inner suburbs as it saves infrastructure and fuel consumption. This will free up the suburbs for those who want homes on quarter acre blocks. We live on a large sparsely populated continent, and if we are going to be competitive we need a larger population on it.
Where do you get the idiotic notion that a bigger population will increases "competitiveness" that will serve anyone but the CEO's of the world? In your version of hell it will only serve to create a poverty class by driving down wages while simultaneously increasing public service, environmental and societal stress. And all this while drool runs down the faces of the citizenry as they punch code into their latest ipods.

More dense inner suburbs? Have you ever lived in one? Been on public transport lately? As an undergraduate it's understandable of course, but for anyone else it's a nightmare.

We live on a sparsely populated continent and that means we need to fill it up? Do you even understand where you live and why the earth's population is a major part of its current economic, environmental and societal problems? Were you alive or on the continent during water shortages? Or were you in China, enjoying its population density and environmental decay?

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#349 Jan 24, 2013
Sex_God_9000 wrote:
Greek and Italian women are extremely ugly. They are very ahiry and even their nipples have thick hairs.
Then stop stalking and drooling over them!!!

Nearly 99% of all arab boys want to rape a white women while pretending that they aren't!!!

“Fair & Balanced”

Since: Jul 12

wherever there's a mine

#350 Jan 24, 2013
PaulKeating wrote:
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Local business being killed by higher wages is ridiculous, since its all relative. Also, trades and basic services cannot be outsourced to china. Concentrating housing close to the CBD, reduces reliance on cars and other transport, it simplifies infrastructure. Stretching suburbs places greater demand on roads and transport.
I am talking about creating the conditions so that local industry can grow into multinationals like the sony's samsgungs and so on. That requires a large youthful population. Also with elderly people like you going into retirement, who is going to fund your pension and subsidise your medicine? The fact is our natural birth rate is not keeping pace with the demands of our growing economy and we need immigration. The doubling of our population will occur regardless.
I understand what your trying to say about growing business but sony & samsung, apple, nokia etc etc etc are all produced in vietnam, indonesia, thailand etc where wages are extremely low. What use is a sony if it employs only a few people here employs thousands overseas & then has off-shore accounts to hide its taxes? We are losing ford & toyota because of cost of production here i.e high wages, compared to Asia or Sth Africa.

look into a tradesmans tools & equipment & see how much is made in australia (or any 1st world nation). As a restauranter & hotelier so much food now is from overseas which I find truly shocking. If I wasn't buying a fair bit direct off the farm I would be hard pushed to offer half my food as Australian. We even bring in tens of thousands of 457 visa workers so in a way we are outsourcing trade jobs here to overseas countries.

And if you added say 500k people to the centre of sydney or melbourne you will have massive infrastructure costs - new larger gas, water, sewage pipes and most probably more pumps in the network & new higher voltage power lines for a start. Digging up roads & disrupting traffic to get the work done. The cost would be in the hundreds of millions of dollars. And who pays? Just because you double the population doesn't mean you double gov't tax revenue. In fact you will be lucky to increase tax revenue by 60%. So if we struggle to afford 23m we definitely can't afford 50m.

Also around 2020 to 2030, based on average life expectancy, a large number of baby boomers starts dying so we will have a different population age spread in 2030 to today.

And my retirement is funded by my super.
rick

Sydenham, Australia

#351 Jan 24, 2013
PaulKeating wrote:
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The IMF thing was in jest. I do believe in substantially increasing our population and building more dense inner suburbs as it saves infrastructure and fuel consumption. This will free up the suburbs for those who want homes on quarter acre blocks. We live on a large sparsely populated continent, and if we are going to be competitive we need a larger population on it.
your ignorance knows no bounds

we are already competive right now

Australia is already densely populated in the innercity areas
all the habitable regions of australia are already fully occupied, owned by someone and fully developed

Australia is the driest continent on earth

Australias water supply is already at full capacity and in jeapordy, so much so they are making water from sewagae and sea water as theres not enough water to go around, for people and agriculture and industry.

The vast majority of Australia is desert or cannot sustain human habitation or agriculture, thats why its empty

The Australian desert which is most of Australia with temperatures exceeding 50c can kill a human whos unprepared in one day.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#352 Jan 24, 2013
chefboy812 wrote:
<quoted text>we are losing our culture daily. Kids can't celebrate xmas or easter in schools, parts of our language is being banned, the food we eat is being altered, how we dress is being controlled - all so we don't offend "new australians".
The breakdown of our culture is our own fault and has been happening since before the white Australia policy. Do we blame the aboriginals for that?

The Xmas and Easter comment fair enough. That's when we just have to take a stand.

In regards to the food, halal is a joke agreed. But I'm sure you can work around that. I'm not aware of any other real problems.

And how we dress is not because of immigrants. Women dress sluttier than ever. I'm not complaining. I get a great view at work :-d

If you want to live old school, go and live in Tasmania. It's like stepping 20 years back in time.
Becky

Yangzhou, China

#353 Jan 24, 2013
chefboy812 wrote:
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please stop being an ostrich. Name 1 city where high rise high density (hrhd) living hasn't lead to higher crime & ghetto conditions - there isn't one.
Shanghai and dozens of other megacities in China. Even among exploited poor migrant workers the crime rate is relatively low.
Why? IMO several factors: social pressure from strong family ties, shared community values that come from a homogenous population, a history of thousands of years of living in the one place and having to rub along together. This is just based on my observations- trained sociologists might come up with other reasons.
jake

Sydenham, Australia

#355 Jan 24, 2013
Tasmaniac wrote:
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The breakdown of our culture is our own fault and has been happening since before the white Australia policy. Do we blame the aboriginals for that?
The Xmas and Easter comment fair enough. That's when we just have to take a stand.
In regards to the food, halal is a joke agreed. But I'm sure you can work around that. I'm not aware of any other real problems.
And how we dress is not because of immigrants. Women dress sluttier than ever. I'm not complaining. I get a great view at work :-d
If you want to live old school, go and live in Tasmania. It's like stepping 20 years back in time.
old school? didnt you say in another thread you have an asian gf or wife? thats not old school, thats on the boat of the modern leftist radicals racial mixing,as well as multiracial multiculturalism

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#356 Jan 24, 2013
rick wrote:
<quoted text>your ignorance knows no bounds

we are already competive right now

Australia is already densely populated in the innercity areas
all the habitable regions of australia are already fully occupied, owned by someone and fully developed

Australia is the driest continent on earth

Australias water supply is already at full capacity and in jeapordy, so much so they are making water from sewagae and sea water as theres not enough water to go around, for people and agriculture and industry.

The vast majority of Australia is desert or cannot sustain human habitation or agriculture, thats why its empty

The Australian desert which is most of Australia with temperatures exceeding 50c can kill a human whos unprepared in one day.
Actually Antarctica is the driest continent on earth

“Potts Point”

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#357 Jan 24, 2013
chefboy812 wrote:
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I understand what your trying to say about growing business but sony & samsung, apple, nokia etc etc etc are all produced in vietnam, indonesia, thailand etc where wages are extremely low. What use is a sony if it employs only a few people here employs thousands overseas & then has off-shore accounts to hide its taxes? We are losing ford & toyota because of cost of production here i.e high wages, compared to Asia or Sth Africa.
look into a tradesmans tools & equipment & see how much is made in australia (or any 1st world nation). As a restauranter & hotelier so much food now is from overseas which I find truly shocking. If I wasn't buying a fair bit direct off the farm I would be hard pushed to offer half my food as Australian. We even bring in tens of thousands of 457 visa workers so in a way we are outsourcing trade jobs here to overseas countries.
And if you added say 500k people to the centre of sydney or melbourne you will have massive infrastructure costs - new larger gas, water, sewage pipes and most probably more pumps in the network & new higher voltage power lines for a start. Digging up roads & disrupting traffic to get the work done. The cost would be in the hundreds of millions of dollars. And who pays? Just because you double the population doesn't mean you double gov't tax revenue. In fact you will be lucky to increase tax revenue by 60%. So if we struggle to afford 23m we definitely can't afford 50m.
Also around 2020 to 2030, based on average life expectancy, a large number of baby boomers starts dying so we will have a different population age spread in 2030 to today.
And my retirement is funded by my super.
They are only assembled in those countries which is just a part of the process, design, R&D, supply-chain, and marketing is done in their respective owners countries Japan, USA, Germany and Korea. We want to be like them and not cheap dumb arse labour. And to be like them we need a larger population. So we can have a truly Australian car manufacturer, automated, clever, that makes reliable and good products for export like Japan.

A bigger population means more tax revenue which makes infrastructure spending possible. No economist, or strategist would agree that a small population and a massive land like ours is a good idea. They are all agree we need to increase our population.
yeah right

Melbourne, Australia

#358 Jan 24, 2013
Becky wrote:
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Shanghai and dozens of other megacities in China. Even among exploited poor migrant workers the crime rate is relatively low.
Why? IMO several factors: social pressure from strong family ties, shared community values that come from a homogenous population, a history of thousands of years of living in the one place and having to rub along together. This is just based on my observations- trained sociologists might come up with other reasons.
Perhaps under-reporting as a result of cultural taboo, such as mental health issues or rape?

Perhaps cultural commonality reduces the incidence of violence?

Since: Dec 12

Sydney

#359 Jan 24, 2013
PaulKeating wrote:
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The IMF thing was in jest. I do believe in substantially increasing our population and building more dense inner suburbs as it saves infrastructure and fuel consumption. This will free up the suburbs for those who want homes on quarter acre blocks. We live on a large sparsely populated continent, and if we are going to be competitive we need a larger population on it.
Have you ever actually seen Australia outside the cities? Obviously not, or you would know that much of the country is desert or dense bushland. That's why its underpopulated, in most cases its unpopulated.

Where do you imagine this influx of immigrants will live? Certainly not in the unbearably hot and dry conditions of inland Australia. So of course they'll crowd into the major cities, creating a nightmare of overcrowding and repulsive highrise units. full of people living in tiny shoeboxes - parts of Sydney are already like this.
sid

Brisbane, Australia

#360 Jan 24, 2013
I can't think of one reason why Sony or any other multinational would establish itself in australia, why pay your worker $25.00 an hour when you can get the same job done for $5.00 a day. Industry is not created out of a vacuum, it doesn't just suddenly appear. If you include the underemployed rate with the unemployed rate it comes to around 12%, we don't need huge influx of immigrants, and no point in bringing in thousands of engineers, technicians or highly skilled people because there are no jobs for them.
The fact that you might have a large group of highly skilled workers ready for work does not create the industry needed to employ them, especially if you have to pay them ten times more than their asian counterparts. No point bring in unskilled workers because most of the unemployed now are unskilled. Australian infrastructure is already strained in major cities, concentrating population in large cities will exacerbate the problem. Infrastructure projects created short term employment, but are horrendously expensive and do not directly generate wealth.
Technologically australia missed the boat years ago, I see australia continuing as a service, agricultural, mining nation, can't see the utopian dream of australia being the mega smart, mega rich heaven on earth ever happening.

“Potts Point”

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#361 Jan 24, 2013
Adhamh Shane wrote:
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Have you ever actually seen Australia outside the cities? Obviously not, or you would know that much of the country is desert or dense bushland. That's why its underpopulated, in most cases its unpopulated.
Where do you imagine this influx of immigrants will live? Certainly not in the unbearably hot and dry conditions of inland Australia. So of course they'll crowd into the major cities, creating a nightmare of overcrowding and repulsive highrise units. full of people living in tiny shoeboxes - parts of Sydney are already like this.
I am referring to the cities, which are small in comparison to big cities around the world, London and etc. We could easily double their size and put restrictions in place to prevent greedy developers shoe boxing.
The SCREWFIX IT TEAM

Amsterdam, Netherlands

#362 Jan 24, 2013
Ewrrrrrrrrrrr get your gas masks, peg your noses a putrid POONPAKIJABi dog has just dragged its arse along the ground as it shits leaving foul dog shit offensive sid marks smells and stench.

Since: Dec 12

Sydney

#363 Jan 24, 2013
PaulKeating wrote:
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I am referring to the cities, which are small in comparison to big cities around the world, London and etc. We could easily double their size and put restrictions in place to prevent greedy developers shoe boxing.
Have you ever considered that Australians may not wish to live high population density megacities?

Our environment, quality of life and resource security will not benefit from a rapid increase in population and water supply is a constant worry for Australia.

There was a study on this subject carried out by Dr Jonathan Sobels, Professor Sue Richardson, Dr Graham Turner (CSIRO), Associate Professor Alaric Maude, Dr Yan Tan, Professor Andrew Beer, Dr Zhang Wei.

I'm surprised you haven't at least heard of it.

sid

Brisbane, Australia

#364 Jan 24, 2013
Holdens will be designed and built until 2014 after that there is a good chance manufacturing and design will go overseas, a purely pragmatic financial decision, so who is selling out australia. The fact is cars are too expensive to build here.
What I am reading between the lines here is that you want a much larger population, huge competition for jobs resulting in lower wages, fewer entitlements, lower conditions so our industry can be internationally competitive.
A bigger population means more tax revenue only if people are working.

See link.
Australia can be divided in 3 agricultural zones:
1. High rainfall zone
Occurs in a narrow strip along Australia's east coast, Tasmania and the south-west corner of Western Australia.
Rainfall relatively high (> 500 mm annually) and reliable.
Fruit and vegetable growing and dairying are very important in the south, while the growing of sugar cane, tropical fruits and vegetables are prevalent in the north.
The dominance of sown pastures allows high stocking rates of beef cattle throughout the region. The region is generally too wet for sheep.
This highly productive coastal region comprises about 6 percent of Australia and contains all its major cities.
2. Wheat belt
Transitional zone between the continent's wet coast and its arid interior.
Produces almost all of Australia's cereal grain. Most farms also raise livestock. Wheat is grown throughout the zone, but in the south it is combined with sheep farming and the growing of barley and oats. In the north, cattle are widespread with sorghum and oilseeds also grown.
Livestock densities in the wheat belt are lower than on the coast, particularly in the north where pastures are not sown.
Under irrigation, the region produces fruit and wine grapes and in the north, cotton crops.
The wheat belt represents 14 percent of the continent's land area.
3. Pastoral zone
Agriculture is restricted to the raising of livestock on native pastures.
Most of Australia's inland area (comprising 72 percent of Australia) is too dry to sow pasture or crops. However, three-quarters of this arid region has sufficient plant cover to support extensive grazing, provided ground water is available.
Beef cattle are raised on huge properties in the north while sheep farming predominates in the south.
In far northern Australia (comprising 8 percent of the continent), monsoonal rains allow vigorous growth of native grasses during the wet season. However, once the rain stops, these grasses dry very quickly and cease to be nutritious leading to very low cattle stocking rates.
http://www.anra.gov.au/topics/land/landuse/in...
Rural residential, sq/k 9,442, 0.12%
Urban intensive uses, sq/k 14,031, 0.18%
The SCREWFIX IT TEAM

Amsterdam, Netherlands

#365 Jan 24, 2013
Ewrrrrrrrrrrr get your gas masks, peg your noses a putrid POONPAKIJABi dog has just dragged its MalbarCCA arse along the ground again as it shits leaving foul dog shit offensive sid marks smells and stench.
Tweeter

Auckland, New Zealand

#366 Jan 24, 2013
sid wrote:
Holdens will be designed and built until 2014 after that there is a good chance manufacturing and design will go overseas,
Holy hell ! You are totally clueless. Holden is a division of GM. The Commodore for may years has been designed in Germany think Opel.

Smaller models are mostly Japanese design think Mazda.

Holdens are assembled in Australia and that's about it.
herst

Heidelberg, Australia

#367 Jan 24, 2013
Sex_God_9000 wrote:
Greek and Italian women are extremely ugly. They are very ahiry and even their nipples have thick hairs.
as hairy ass arabs you mean. or not as hairy as arabs.

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