It's the Guns, Stupid

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Why do we have the same futile argument every time there is a mass killing? Advocates of gun control try to open a discussion about whether more reasonable weapons statutes might reduce the number of violent ... via Truthdig

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Marauder

Valdez, AK

#98106 Jan 23, 2013
GoGoBar wrote:
"The USA has more violence than other nations for reasons unrelated to it's extraordinary high firearm ownership."
ie. Even if a survey claimed gun was used 20 million times per year, Guns do not stop violence!
In certain violence the gun increases violence compared to other nations.
Murder USA 14,909 (8700 firearms)
4.8/100,000
Justifiable Homicides USA 201 (LOL)
"ie. Even if a survey claimed gun was used 20 million times per year, Guns do not stop violence!"

You know how ignorant that sounds...? Do you even realize that the vast majority of DGU's don't result in a shot being fired...? So YES, that does prevent more violence. There are that many more LESS victims of violence.

“Tilt my hat at the sun”

Since: Jun 12

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#98108 Jan 23, 2013
Dr Freud wrote:
<quoted text>
While many may 'benefit' from the sweat of another's brow, no individual makes any money from the effort, time, and money which he might bring to bear to solve a problem.
That is the very essence of communism, for it declares that no man owns himself, and therefore his intellect is the property of the collective, to be taken advantage of endlessly.
Now, if that's what someone wants, and is willing to live with, then that is their choice to make.
Well I reckon I could live with the $10 million a year he earns for his effort.
He's not the only one that makes money from Linux.
It's open source software, anyone in the community can contribute if they choose to, their intellect is shared freely with anyone who wants it.
I don't think that's communism, it's freedom of choice.
If someone wanted to write code & have it property of the collective they'd write it for Microsoft.
Linux coders aren't forced to write for Linux, they choose to.
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#98109 Jan 23, 2013
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#98110 Jan 23, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
Oh dear, another gun shooting in an American school! or just more law abiding citizens go postal, with legally obtained guns and not a crim in site? How long before the next one...and seeing the state can't enforce the law their going to allow all these students to carry guns for their own protection....I wonder if the shooter was one of those doing that very thing?
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-01-23/three-s...
How do you know the gun was legally obtained?

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#98111 Jan 23, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
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PS. It amazes me how clueless the MAJORITY of yanks are.....not realising you are a republic and admitting that it is a failed system...you would have had a fairer system under the british monarchy... that way you could at least had a fairer elitist system and been able to follow it's reasoning and to some extent manage to keep the classes in order.....This way all you did was kick out and elitist system and replaced it with a worse type of super greed elitism....where most of you will be moving toward poor status...while still being fed (falsely) that you have a chance to make it big in yankeeland....You have encouraged a system whereby the wealthy have so much of your wealth that it there is no longer a middle class....and it is too late to reverse that situation as the wealthy have your balls in a vice and now dictate the terms by which you live your pathetic existence.........I wonder if your forefathers foresaw that?
Really?
That sounds just like Australia.
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#98114 Jan 23, 2013
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#98115 Jan 23, 2013
_0rion_ wrote:
<quoted text>
How do you know the gun was legally obtained?
You failed to read the post correctly didn't you...I clearly stated "OR" another law abiding gun owner with a legally owned gun etc.....

Since: Dec 10

Brisbane, Australia

#98116 Jan 23, 2013
_0rion_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Really?
That sounds just like Australia.
Which part?
Provocateur

Kansas City, MO

#98117 Jan 23, 2013
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Since: Jan 12

Where The Wild Things Grow

#98118 Jan 23, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
You failed to read the post correctly didn't you...I clearly stated "OR" another law abiding gun owner with a legally owned gun etc.....
I fail to see any justification for students taking guns into schools/colleges - it is not a battleground and if it has become so then the authorities need to step in and provide protection.
Marauder

Valdez, AK

#98121 Jan 23, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
You failed to read the post correctly didn't you...I clearly stated "OR" another law abiding gun owner with a legally owned gun etc.....
OH NO!!!

Australian arrested in Phuket over tourist shootings

An Australian man has been arrested on the Thai resort island of Phuket over the shooting of two German tourists.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-01-23/aust-ma...

“Tilt my hat at the sun”

Since: Jun 12

And the shadows they burn dark

#98122 Jan 23, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
Which part?
All of it.
Tray

Tupelo, MS

#98127 Jan 23, 2013
sairla wrote:
<quoted text>
I fail to see any justification for students taking guns into schools/colleges - it is not a battleground and if it has become so then the authorities need to step in and provide protection.
Thankfully a right does not require justification or permission. SCOTUS has ruled the police have no obligation to your personal protection.

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Since: Jan 11

Collingwood, Australia

#98130 Jan 23, 2013
Frog is a GAY SPAMMER wrote:
Someone must have said something worthy to cause the SPAMING jackassssssss with the multiple ID's to try and bury what was said.
Go back to where all the spam started and see if you can figure what truth is being covered up by the spammer.
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/australia/TI...

(?)

Since: Dec 10

Brisbane, Australia

#98131 Jan 23, 2013
sairla wrote:
<quoted text>
I fail to see any justification for students taking guns into schools/colleges - it is not a battleground and if it has become so then the authorities need to step in and provide protection.
I think the authorities have given up, quite frankly....they don't want to go the way of gun control, and have to police schools to prevent the kids taking guns onto the premises so they are willing to let them carry a gun for their "own protection"...Texas has some odd contradictions on guns and carry laws and it is extremely easy to get a weapon there so they figure go the way of the gun....That way it keeps the parents of the kids happy, and the majority of gun owners.
Texas is regarded as one of the most lenient states in regards to gun laws and they have law makers in the state trying to make them more relaxed. It is a sad day where you just throw your hands up and say go for it....Texas is also one of the major contributors to legally bought weapons and ammo finding their way into the hands of Mexican drug cartels....why would they want to toughen their laws to protect their kids....when it would damage their economy and they have the parents backing.
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#98132 Jan 23, 2013
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Since: Dec 10

Brisbane, Australia

#98135 Jan 23, 2013
Marauder wrote:
<quoted text>
OH NO!!!
Australian arrested in Phuket over tourist shootings
An Australian man has been arrested on the Thai resort island of Phuket over the shooting of two German tourists.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-01-23/aust-ma...
I do believe it was two Australians and no doubt they are bikies if there tats are anything to go by....just shoot them....

Since: Dec 10

Brisbane, Australia

#98136 Jan 23, 2013
_0rion_ wrote:
<quoted text>
All of it.
Well that's a stretch but coming from you, why am I not surprised....

Since: Dec 10

Brisbane, Australia

#98137 Jan 23, 2013
Marauder wrote:
<quoted text>
OH NO!!!
Australian arrested in Phuket over tourist shootings
An Australian man has been arrested on the Thai resort island of Phuket over the shooting of two German tourists.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-01-23/aust-ma...
Thank god we still have standards and they didn't shoot up a school eh!
GoGoBar

Thailand

#98138 Jan 23, 2013
sairla wrote:
<quoted text>
I fail to see any justification for students taking guns into schools/colleges - it is not a battleground and if it has become so then the authorities need to step in and provide protection.
Campuses are hotbeds of study pressure, peer pressure, subcultures, Fraternity Parties, sexual pressure, Binge drinking and drug taking by young adults who for the most part are immature.

The call for guns to be allowed into these centres must be by people with education aquired in a completely different environment or non western country.

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