It's the Guns, Stupid

It's the Guns, Stupid

There are 103299 comments on the Truthdig story from Apr 20, 2007, titled It's the Guns, Stupid. In it, Truthdig reports that:

“And that's the end of the issue”

Why do we have the same futile argument every time there is a mass killing? Advocates of gun control try to open a discussion about whether more reasonable weapons statutes might reduce the number of violent ... via Truthdig

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Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#83855 Dec 5, 2012
Guppy wrote:
Dumb Yanks? Can you imagine an Austrailian saying that about an American?
Without the American's you guys wouldn't exist, or you would still be back in the stone age.
Audacity...
Of course I can, because most of you are as thick as two bits of wood... first and foremost you wouldn't be where you are if it wasn't for a lot of inventions from mostly foreigners...and that includes Australians..so that just shows how bloody ignorant you are...it's like tell an American the truth and watch as they fall back on how powerful they are...most peaceful nations see it as your arrogance and greed...but then again you are dumb as dog shit...what's the chances you could understand the world that exists outside the good ol' US of feckin A.....aye fish!

Since: Feb 11

Sutton, UK

#83856 Dec 6, 2012
Guppy wrote:
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Sanford is very close to Disneyland. Orlando, Florida
There is a train that starts in Lawton, Virginia that goes to Sanford, Florida. Your car goes on the train.
I wouldn't think that Amtrak (auto train) would be too happy with the Sanford problem.
Does that make sense?
Could you be more specific with your explanation, Im not sure if your suggesting a bunch of Disney characters will go to Sanford and run riot,,depending on the verdict,,or vice a versa.

Since: Feb 11

Sutton, UK

#83858 Dec 6, 2012
Ahomana wrote:
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More of your pedantic delusional bullshit....yes the one cardinal rule from the time you have your first fight that the one who started it was the guilty party...it is always right....always...in this case Zimmerman overstepped the mark he approached the kid, and now he will pay dearly for his fears and overeaction that cost this kid his life...and good job I say...the dumb yanks should never have laws like stand your ground because they don't have the nouse not to use it as a protection for their racism hate and fear....it's a white's carte' blanche' to kill with impunity....and they abuse the shit out of it...in only a couple of cases have they proved that this law was ever used correctly, the rest were just idiots overeaction...and this is another one....
Delusional,,your the one who's deluded,,by your reckoning with regard to your cardinal rule view point,,,that would make every police officer that has ever approached a suspect,,,a criminal.

And,,,what's with the whites carte blanche comment,,you really have got a problem with white people have'nt you.

Since: Feb 11

Sutton, UK

#83859 Dec 6, 2012
Ahomana wrote:
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Not at all if it is by the phone when you go upstairs to get your shotgun(which you make a point of) then it is clearly lying there in the open...der!
I believe everyone of the above would protect my family if they could...and that includes me....but I would do it out of love and not responsibility which implies it is a burden.
A gun is easy fast and clean....I bet if you were going to do it, you would use a gun because you have one, and you can stand at a distance and not get blood splatter or cuts in your hands...all good reasons to use a gun if your intent is to make out it wasn't you....
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For crying out loud,,you really are DENCE,,,when somebody points out that it is their responsobility to defend their family,,it MEANS that they don't intend to rely on the possible good will of others, unlike you, who appears to be a burden.

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#83860 Dec 6, 2012
Ahomana wrote:
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1: Therefore he is still classed as a kid under the law!
2: I didn't bring the race thing in...Tray did, by mentioning black kids hanging round and the cops found a laptop in the black kids bag oh and trayvons prior police encounters....because he tried to persuade us all that it is the black causing trouble on this estate therefore Zimmerman had the right like himself to assume...and he didn't.
You are now second to Tray bringing in Obama and saying racist things against him....for no good reason....Obama has never played the race card and god knows how he must struggle with that when a good deal of you noongs and some idiot millionaire have made ridiculous accusations and demanded that he show his birth certificate to prove he is not a muslim....you think the CIA would let a muslim become President, you feckin' morons.
3: George caused an incident that got a young kid murdered, if George had done what he had done previously and reported any suspicious behavior to the cops and then waited till they arrived, whether or not they came late or early..this kid would still be alive today....so George clearly did the wrong thing and it cost someone their lives...
If that's your version of the real world, no wonder you are going down with the ship.
Tray

New Albany, MS

#83861 Dec 6, 2012
Ahomana wrote:
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Hang on a minute, aren't you for believing people are innocent till proven guilty it sounds an awful lot like you have made up your mind and what a dumb decission that was considering if Zimmerman hadn't confronted the kid for no good reason the kid would still be alive. It is understandable that he is up for murder. I remember reading somewhere, where the cops hadn't arrested Zimmerman originally because he gave the "stand your ground defence and then because of the mass public outcry he was then arrested, and rightfully so.... Seems to me their are some decent and sane Americans after all...they are not all ignorant dumb arses like you and the gun owning dicks on this thread...
Public outcry? There was no public outcry. Sharpton, Jackson, TNBP, and NBC all lied about the situation for their own agenda. If there was a real case against George then why all the lies to get him arrested? The cops didn't arrest George because they had no case for murder. I've posted all this before with links. Your constant refusal of the facts shows a true bias.
Tray

New Albany, MS

#83863 Dec 6, 2012
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
There you go with your redneck racism again...for all you know the kid was totally innocent even to the point of having to defend himself from a guy brandishing a gun and demanding he account for why he was there in the first place....seems all a bit like the days of old where the white guy could murder a black guy with impunity...would he have done the same thing if the guy had been white in his community....nope I don't think so because they are racist that is why they live in a gated community...they have a fear of blacks not whites.
NO PROOF what so ever of "brandishing", the facts point otherwise. 408 calls to police, blacks were doing the crimes not whites, George had no control over which race was committing the crimes had it been white then he would have done the same. Being tired of criminals taking over a community is not racist. You forget your little angle was there because of his criminal behavior. This was not a white community it was mixed. George is not white he is a mix. I didn't start the racism Sharpton, Jackson, TNBP, NBC did and it has been PROVEN George was not racist. Constant liar!
Tray

New Albany, MS

#83864 Dec 6, 2012
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
More of your pedantic delusional bullshit....yes the one cardinal rule from the time you have your first fight that the one who started it was the guilty party...it is always right....always...in this case Zimmerman overstepped the mark he approached the kid, and now he will pay dearly for his fears and overeaction that cost this kid his life...and good job I say...the dumb yanks should never have laws like stand your ground because they don't have the nouse not to use it as a protection for their racism hate and fear....it's a white's carte' blanche' to kill with impunity....and they abuse the shit out of it...in only a couple of cases have they proved that this law was ever used correctly, the rest were just idiots overeaction...and this is another one....
Show were the law allows killing "cart' blance". The law protects a person using self defense ONLY not some license to kill. The only thing SYG does is explain the stupidity of having to run from an attack before defending yourself. Liar! Show one case where this law was used to promote a racist murder.
Tray

New Albany, MS

#83865 Dec 6, 2012
Ahomana wrote:
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What you noong, can't read your own papers..and evidence put out by those in the know...that might not make you a kook but it sure makes you one ignorant yankee twat, no surprise there.
http://www.policymic.com/articles/19787/jorda...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-hemenway-...
http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/cri...
By the way fish, there is plenty of information on stand your ground abuses on the internet....my advice get off your tuffet and go look then you would kill your ignorance...fat chance!
Thanks. Your own posts show blacks commit the majority of crimes. On a case by case bases SYG has not been proven even once to have contributed to a murder.

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#83866 Dec 6, 2012
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> Public outcry? There was no public outcry. Sharpton, Jackson, TNBP, and NBC all lied about the situation for their own agenda. If there was a real case against George then why all the lies to get him arrested? The cops didn't arrest George because they had no case for murder. I've posted all this before with links. Your constant refusal of the facts shows a true bias.
This woman who call's herself Ahomana does no good at all. Being no jounalist herself, she cuts and pastes jounalists articles highlighting negative aspects of the U.S as her tone is hysterical and denuciatory, like a girl scout on methamphetamine.
She has done nothing for the people she claims to support, apart from deepening differences, alienating her support and wasting her time in inconstructive and sanctimonious activities.

I would not be surprised if she is actually a webbot program operated by Al-Qaeda . Its posts are uniformly uninteresting and appear to follow a preset script. It exhibits virus like spamming behavior often starting dozens of pointless replies. However, it does do a great job of mimicking human idiocy. I suspect the program will respond with insults, accusation and the right to defend yourself.

Aho is nothing but a agressive and extremely arrogant,rude and pretensious who completely misunderstood everyones opinions about Firearm ownership.

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#83867 Dec 6, 2012
Guppy wrote:
<quoted text>
I never said it was right. I said IT could happen.
Justice? Think of OJ Simpson, Casey Anthony etc. The justice system doesn't always work the way you want it to. Oh Yeah, and that girl who was involved with murdering the English girl in Italy. She and her boyfriend? got off. The list goes on.
No such thing as justice for all. Whoever has the best lawyer wins. You know that.
Sad to say it, but I actually agree with you on this one.

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#83868 Dec 6, 2012
Ahomana wrote:
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Why, I can't do that? Your dumb arse mates are clearly pulling shit out of thin air making accusation that he (the black kid) had a record therefore he must be guilty, that because it was black kids that the estate beleived were causing the crime wave in the community therefore Trayvon must be guilty, and that Zimmerman did the right thing, and you whinge about me....you biased moron....correct the others and get back to me....I know full well what I am doing.....amd I can regulate my own behaviour unlike you and your brainwashed middle, classed, and priviledged whiteys.
Fact: Trayvon Martin had a history of BAD BEHAVIOR including crimes for which he was suspended from school THREE TIMES within the year prior to him being shot.

Fact: The neighborhood where this incident occurred has been plagued with break-ins and burglaries for the previous 18 months.

Fact: Those who had been caught committing those crimes where young, black males. This is NOT a racist statement. It is a statement of fact.

Fact: Trayvon Martin fit the profile of those committing the crimes in that neighborhood.

Do these FACTS mean he was up to no-good that night. No it doesn't. All we have is the report to the dispatcher of him acting suspicious. And I not going to second-guess that because I wasn't there, and neither were you, and there is no evidence to prove otherwise.

Biased?? The only thing I am biased toward is FACTS and EVIDENCE. You want Zimmerman to fry for killing this young man, fine. Present your evidence that he killed this guy in cold blood. Because as of yet, you haven't presented a damn thing.

And I may be middle-class (barely) and white, but brainwashed and privileged??? Not by a long shot.

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#83869 Dec 6, 2012
Ahomana wrote:
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There you go with your redneck racism again...for all you know the kid was totally innocent even to the point of having to defend himself from a guy brandishing a gun and demanding he account for why he was there in the first place....seems all a bit like the days of old where the white guy could murder a black guy with impunity...would he have done the same thing if the guy had been white in his community....nope I don't think so because they are racist that is why they live in a gated community...they have a fear of blacks not whites.
What is your evidence that Zimmerman ever "brandished" a gun???? Just because he had a FL CCP doesn't mean the gun was in his hand or visible at all.
Guppy

Gadsden, AL

#83870 Dec 6, 2012
spider1954 wrote:
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Could you be more specific with your explanation, Im not sure if your suggesting a bunch of Disney characters will go to Sanford and run riot,,depending on the verdict,,or vice a versa.
Yes! I expect Cinderella and the whole gang will be there/there will be guns/there will be people bleeding and dying in the streets. Cars will be set on fire and best of all Rodney King (deceased) will be there saying "Can we all get along?"
Sounds like a good time will be had by all.
BTW - Don't you sleep?

Since: Jan 11

Abingdon, VA

#83871 Dec 6, 2012
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
Zimmerman was a white hispanic...living in a middle class gated community....
So, we have a white African president who went to private school?
Guppy

Gadsden, AL

#83872 Dec 6, 2012
Armed Veteran wrote:
<quoted text>
Sad to say it, but I actually agree with you on this one.
Thank You! Very adult of you.
Guppy

Gadsden, AL

#83873 Dec 6, 2012
Armed Veteran wrote:
<quoted text>
Sad to say it, but I actually agree with you on this one.
Oh, don't be sad...You did the right thing.

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#83874 Dec 6, 2012
Guppy wrote:
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Oh, don't be sad...You did the right thing.
LMAO! I'm not sad for agreeing with you. I'm sad because of the thuth of the subject matter.
Guppy

Gadsden, AL

#83875 Dec 6, 2012
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course I can, because most of you are as thick as two bits of wood... first and foremost you wouldn't be where you are if it wasn't for a lot of inventions from mostly foreigners...and that includes Australians..so that just shows how bloody ignorant you are...it's like tell an American the truth and watch as they fall back on how powerful they are...most peaceful nations see it as your arrogance and greed...but then again you are dumb as dog shit...what's the chances you could understand the world that exists outside the good ol' US of feckin A.....aye fish!
Dear A.H.,

Those initials are fitting.

You guys fight in ALL the same wars we do. So, you're not so peaceful yourself.

How can you be the worlds super power AND be thick as two bits of wood? What does that make you Austrailians? That's funny.

Arrogance~we earned it.
Greed~we do seem to have most of the money, don't we?

You can call us something more intelligent than ~ dumb as dog shite ~ can't you? Is that the Auzzie way? If you can't beat them, call them stupid names. Does that make you feel better? Aw...

Get out! There is a world outside of the USA? Didn't know that. Most Americans don't like to travel outside of this country because we seem to have it all here. Don't we?

You can run along...
Guppy

Gadsden, AL

#83876 Dec 6, 2012
Armed Veteran wrote:
<quoted text>
LMAO! I'm not sad for agreeing with you. I'm sad because of the thuth of the subject matter.
Oh? I'm glad you clarified that.
I take so much abuse on here, that I assumed you were sticking it to me. I don't mind the abuse ~ it is kind of amusing. I consider the source...

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