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Australia 'overwhelmed' with asylum seekers

There are 157 comments on the 4029TV.com story from Nov 22, 2012, titled Australia 'overwhelmed' with asylum seekers. In it, 4029TV.com reports that:

By its own admission, the Australian government's policy on asylum seekers has been overwhelmed, just three months after the passing of new laws aimed at stemming the flow of those seeking refuge in Australia.

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samsul

Nusa Dua, Indonesia

#144 Nov 27, 2012
yeah right wrote:
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islam spread to Indonesia long ago - I think before the 16th century. By the end of that century it dominated Indonesia and supplanted the Hindi and Buddhist religions, except for Bali.
The argument about how many people are capable of 'reading' the koran is irrelevant because the muz will say that because general mo was illiterate it's ok to memorize it only. That's what all of their little schools are for - to memorize the koran.
They would also stay that learning to read it in any other language than arabic won't maintain its "purity". Hence their "need" to "teach" it orally.
If these people were indoctrinated with Jihadism the first time they were converted there would be no Bali, there would be no NTT, there would be no headhunting Dayak people in the mountains of Borneo or they would have stopped the missionaries in Ambon because they believe in Jihad. but they didn't did they? They wouldn't have let the Portuguse to land on the island and spread Catholicism in the island

They coexist, side by side just like those in my island. Ambon and Poso conflict all happened after these Arabs came.
samsul

Nusa Dua, Indonesia

#145 Nov 27, 2012
yeah right wrote:
Just a few excerpts above with source cited below on jihadist ethnic cleansing in Indonesia. Worth taking a look at.
thanks i appreciate it too, it was a good read
East Indies

Australia

#146 Nov 27, 2012
Indonesia or the east indies was many different countries and colonized by the British, portuguese and dutch, later the French and even Germans had parts of it.
In the spice islands Ambon etc the original natives were pagan and not Islamic.
The dutch replaced those natives with slaves from other parts of Indonesia.
Indonesia in general was pagan with an indian Vedic/Hindu) ruling class - part of the extended Indian empire. When the Mongols conveyed to Islam they conquered India and it's colonies like the east indies. The Mongols converted to Islam because it has a punitive tribute (tax on unbelievers) mechanism in it. Islam was more economic and beneficial than Christianity, Judaism, Budhism or zorarastriarim (persian).
They did not convert to Islam because they believed in Allah, Islam was imposed as empire control. Thus Vedic/Hindu in Indonesia was replaced by Islam top down far away.
The Vedic/Hindu retreated to Bali, sort of like an earlier version of singapore...
No Arab with desert sand clutching a copy of the Quran ever went to the east indies converting the pagans. The pagans either paid an 'unbeliever tax' or got killed. Over time most of the east indies 'converted' to Islam to avoid this.
But they never really understood or believed in Islam and continued their pagan beliefs (as per today also).
Ambon and the spice islands however had all these slaves (original or brought in) that were
pagan/Christian animists. Because the much of the dutch enterprise was based on the small group of spice island there.
After WW2 the dutch lost the colony. The Ambon spice island area as well as several other different race or ethinc groups tried to deckare independence from Indonesia. Seeing the threat to pan nationalist Indonesia, these groups were heavily targeted in killings and ethinc cleansing to stop a breakup of Indonesia. The USA and Australia supported this prefering to have one Indonesia to control rather than a string of 'rogue Marxist' states in the east indies.
Ditto for timor and west papau.
Indonesia not only ethnically cleared these areas but migrated many java indonensians into them in a program called transmigrati to make Indonesia more homogonous..
Islam became an 'excuse' to kill or cleanse out the many different races, religions and ethnic groups within what is still really a group of nations and peoples within Indonesia.
It could just as easily be Christianity or Hindu, religion becomes the excuse, not the reason.
The sad story of papau/iran jaya sits there today as an obvious example of how history and expediency still deny those people their country.
yeah right

Newport, Australia

#147 Nov 27, 2012
samsul wrote:
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If these people were indoctrinated with Jihadism the first time they were converted there would be no Bali, there would be no NTT, there would be no headhunting Dayak people in the mountains of Borneo or they would have stopped the missionaries in Ambon because they believe in Jihad. but they didn't did they? They wouldn't have let the Portuguse to land on the island and spread Catholicism in the island
They coexist, side by side just like those in my island. Ambon and Poso conflict all happened after these Arabs came.
Islam will never allow peaceful co-existence with any other community. It has absorbed and will continue to absorb Indonesia - it has taken its time over the years there - but it's doing it and it has essentially done it already.

There is no such thing as a moderate islam because jihad is embedded and central to islam. "A study of the sacred texts of Islam and its history reveals that there is no such thing as “Moderate Islam.” From its earliest days, Islam was beset with internal divisions and conflicts that were solved through violent means." http://www.answering-islam.org/authors/thomas...

There is much information available on this, too many to source here.
samsul

Nusa Dua, Indonesia

#149 Nov 27, 2012
East Indies wrote:
The USA and Australia supported this prefering to have one Indonesia to control rather than a string of 'rogue Marxist' states in the east indies.
Ditto for timor and west papau.
What is this huh? WHAT IS THIS? It's another story about western people interfering our politics.

If it wasn't for them West Papua, Maluku and Timor would have had their independence right now and hundreds of thousands of lives would have been saved.

Here the western people themselves supported 'the Muslims' for their own convenience
yeah right

Newport, Australia

#150 Nov 27, 2012
samsul wrote:
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What is this huh? WHAT IS THIS? It's another story about western people interfering our politics.
If it wasn't for them West Papua, Maluku and Timor would have had their independence right now and hundreds of thousands of lives would have been saved.
Here the western people themselves supported 'the Muslims' for their own convenience


Not exactly - muslims wanted to murder, rape and pillage their way to control and that is precisely what they did.

What they got was a blind eye and non interference because it suited the powers that be at the time.
archie harrington

Sydney, Australia

#151 Dec 27, 2012
on the news to day ,the illegals on manus island are demanding an answer from the governmen ,for better conditions ,because the tents are too hot and andthe dust is making them ill.
they dont have any rights at the moment,we have women and children living on the street ,send these whinging people who we dont want back where they came from
Anglo-Saxon-Celt

Sydney, Australia

#152 Dec 27, 2012
Sink the Boats! NOW!
Fella

Brisbane, Australia

#153 Dec 28, 2012
samsul wrote:
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Indonesia is a corrupt nation, you said so yourself, what did you expect!
Maybe before you establish a country, you should make sure that you have Sweden as your neighbor and not a third world country like Indonesia
Indonesia USED to be like that too,
Indonesia USED to be secular
During the minority purge in the 60s-70s, thousands clerics were gathered, lined and shot one by one and buried in unmarked graves, all Islamic practice was minimized eventhough it was still allowed.
During the reign of Suharto if you come to Muslim majority places you will rarely see people wearing headscarves and other attributes, people rarely go to mosques etc. people identify itelf by their ethnic not religion. Our women go around the island topless and men respect their women and everything was alright
Then Suharto fell because people want 'democration' advocated by western nations then everything went to hell. Islamic parties sponsored by Arab people established itself here and suddenly people wear headscarves and start conflict with other people.
Maybe if the westerner had minded their own business things wouldnt be like this. Maybe if you hadn't sent troops to iraq, afghanistan and to every single arab countries, these arabs would have little reasons to go here and indoctrinate indonesian muslim people how 'westerners' are killing their muslim 'borthers'.
there'll be no refugees, we wont have to waste money to buid camps, detention centers and patrol ships, and i can still marry that muslim woman that i knew since i was kid but cant because her family went to that arab 'foundation' where people show how you ppl destroy mosques and shit in their arab muslim country
it all because of you!!
Yes, it would be nice to have 240 million Swedish type people living in Indonesia, instead of Indonesians. But that's life, and we deal with it. Typically, you have this implication that our country just sprung up in the last few years, and that it is somehow our fault that people would rather live in Australia than Indonesia.

There is no way that you can blame Australia because your country adopted a Muslim way of life. People in Indonesia didn't adopt Islam because of some conflict going on in the Middle East in the last 10 years. Islam has been a part of Indonesia since before Indonesia had Europeans showing them how to get out of the stone age.

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#154 Dec 28, 2012
Fella wrote:
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Yes, it would be nice to have 240 million Swedish type people living in Indonesia, instead of Indonesians. But that's life, and we deal with it. Typically, you have this implication that our country just sprung up in the last few years, and that it is somehow our fault that people would rather live in Australia than Indonesia.
There is no way that you can blame Australia because your country adopted a Muslim way of life. People in Indonesia didn't adopt Islam because of some conflict going on in the Middle East in the last 10 years. Islam has been a part of Indonesia since before Indonesia had Europeans showing them how to get out of the stone age.
The Dutch left them in their stoneage by not incorporating the locals into their management of the country and territories

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#155 Dec 28, 2012
archie harrington wrote:
on the news to day ,the illegals on manus island are demanding an answer from the governmen ,for better conditions ,because the tents are too hot and andthe dust is making them ill.
they dont have any rights at the moment,we have women and children living on the street ,send these whinging people who we dont want back where they came from
I suppose if they are not happy with what is provided,they could always return to Indonesia seeing by International Law anyone found entering a country illegally must be returned to their previous location and seeing Indonesia is where they set sail from they then could live there instead.
White ape

Canberra, Australia

#157 Feb 23, 2013
White South Africans practised apartheid for over 20 years thinking that they were better than other people - this is why they should not be allowed in Australia
Western countries were cruel colonial powers who often butchered the citizens of the countries they colonised if they failed to pay tax (Holland and Indonesia), stole all the money from their colonies (Britain) and thought their absurb western ways were the best to adopt, this is why western people should not be allowed into Australia.
White australians do not suceed in the professions as compared to asians - this is why white Australian babies should not be allowed to live after 10 years of age! Get over it, racists - you are just scared little things.
White ape

Canberra, Australia

#158 Feb 23, 2013
To the Anglo-saxon Celtic - poor thing - not very erudite are you. Perhaps you really are an image of your dumb forefathers - bomb the celtic lands now!
Anglo-Saxon-Celt

Sydney, Australia

#159 Feb 23, 2013
Just sink the fckn boats!
Anglo-Saxon-Celt

Sydney, Australia

#160 Feb 23, 2013
White ape wrote:
White South Africans practised apartheid for over 20 years thinking that they were better than other people - this is why they should not be allowed in Australia
Western countries were cruel colonial powers who often butchered the citizens of the countries they colonised if they failed to pay tax (Holland and Indonesia), stole all the money from their colonies (Britain) and thought their absurb western ways were the best to adopt, this is why western people should not be allowed into Australia.
White australians do not suceed in the professions as compared to asians - this is why white Australian babies should not be allowed to live after 10 years of age! Get over it, racists - you are just scared little things.
You shouldnt be in our country. You have just made it very clear you are the enemy of my people and it is therefore necessary for you to be disposed of.

Theres a war coming and you will be one of the casualties.
challenge

Australia

#161 Feb 23, 2013
The little anglo trashy club puts assylum seekers in concentration camps because they don't meet their prejudiced profiles.

“Free Speech in a Free World ”

Since: May 10

AUSTRALIAN

#162 Feb 23, 2013
challenge wrote:
The little anglo trashy club puts assylum seekers in concentration camps because they don't meet their prejudiced profiles.
What nationality are you borne of ?

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