Australia 'overwhelmed' with asylum seekers

Nov 22, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: 4029TV.com

By its own admission, the Australian government's policy on asylum seekers has been overwhelmed, just three months after the passing of new laws aimed at stemming the flow of those seeking refuge in Australia.

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the thing is mister, they came here legally by plane, when we caught them in motels they have passports and documents but when they go to australia they preferred to go by boats, we dont know why
Are you kidding. Then how come your Islamic Government is not putting people in jail who build the boat's and send them over here for?. If I had it my way with your sh*tpit country, I would not give 500 Million dollars a year to Indonesia and I would cut off trade ties and blow your Illegally Indonesian built boats out of the f*cking water. I guess we wont have to worry about the Indonesian Military that only has 10 SU'30s and the rest of it's poorly armed, under trained and poorly equipped aye.
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Tighten up security and screening ....any doubt, throw them out!......I think the sudden recent influx , is middle-eastern people worried about what Israel may do next....and who knows? Israel's on the record as saying Iran is getting near the "red line"......Syria is a basket case....Africans are at war......tamils in india are eating dirt for lunch etc etc.....but the usual suspects on this forum will blame Julia Gillard !...(lol)......I like the old days when we had the Vietnamese boats.....they just don't make refugees like they yousta..these muslims are useless...
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Are you kidding. Then how come your Islamic Government is not putting people in jail who build the boat's and send them over here for?. If I had it my way with your sh*tpit country, I would not give 500 Million dollars a year to Indonesia and I would cut off trade ties and blow your Illegally Indonesian built boats out of the f*cking water. I guess we wont have to worry about the Indonesian Military that only has 10 SU'30s and the rest of it's poorly armed, under trained and poorly equipped aye.
Indonesia is not Islamic country and nobody asked for your 500 million dollars

The person who built the boats are fishermen, they're not smugglers, and they're poor and they need the money and as far as we are concerned these people are not troubling us.
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Tighten up security and screening ....any doubt, throw them out!......I think the sudden recent influx , is middle-eastern people worried about what Israel may do next....and who knows? Israel's on the record as saying Iran is getting near the "red line"......Syria is a basket case....Africans are at war......tamils in india are eating dirt for lunch etc etc.....but the usual suspects on this forum will blame Julia Gillard !...(lol)......I like the old days when we had the Vietnamese boats.....they just don't make refugees like they yousta..these muslims are useless...
I suspect the sudden influx is probably Afghani, who are even more worried about the removal of troops. We know that the rich are buying properties in Dubai - the poor have to go someplace else. But I would like to see the actual figures on where these people come from!
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Indonesia is not Islamic country and nobody asked for your 500 million dollars
The person who built the boats are fishermen, they're not smugglers, and they're poor and they need the money and as far as we are concerned these people are not troubling us.
Indonesia is not islamic? How can you live in Indonesia and not know that it is muslim?

The people making money from selling seats on boats are earning one million dollars per year.

And who is not troubling you? The refugees? If they're not troubling you, please keep them.
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Do we really have to put up with the vermin
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Delete them urgently
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Indonesia is not islamic? How can you live in Indonesia and not know that it is muslim?
The people making money from selling seats on boats are earning one million dollars per year.
And who is not troubling you? The refugees? If they're not troubling you, please keep them.
I'm Catholic and i live in Indonesia, the island where i live and surrounding islands are Catholic majority.

Really? if the refugees are so rich why aren't you accepting them?

They're not troubling because we know they're going to go soon i mean

how can you be blaming my country for this?
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I'm Catholic and i live in Indonesia, the island where i live and surrounding islands are Catholic majority.
Really? if the refugees are so rich why aren't you accepting them?
They're not troubling because we know they're going to go soon i mean
how can you be blaming my country for this?
Yes, you may live on an island that is Catholic, but surely you must know that Indonesia is a country in which the largest muslim population live. It is considered a 'muslim country' for this reason.

I'm not sure what you mean when you ask why your country is being blamed - your government takes millions of dollars per year from this government and who knows where that disappears? Maybe you should find out ;)

And your people smugglers earn a million a year selling places on boats. Your government seems to do nothing about this, even though it would be fairly simple for them to find these people smugglers and incarcerate them. It seems that the government must be getting some benefit from the operation, and no doubt it's money, bribes, whatever they can get.

The concept and definition of a 'refugee' is one who is fleeing from a country in which they will be persecuted and that they are seeking acceptance into other countries who will not persecute them. But this is ignored by some who simply want to claim that they are persecuted so that they can take advantage of their chosen host country. When they arrive in their country of choice, when it is by boat, they claim poverty. But having spent tens of thousands of dollars to get here, how can that be possible?

Anyway - you keep them. You're Catholic, which means you are charitable - you will enjoy boatloads of muslims arriving on your island to live, build a bunch of annoying mosques and tell you how to behave and threaten you with death if they decide they don't like you.

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Europe has welfare. Why not go there?
Europe is full of them.
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Yes, you may live on an island that is Catholic, but surely you must know that Indonesia is a country in which the largest muslim population live. It is considered a 'muslim country' for this reason.
I'm not sure what you mean when you ask why your country is being blamed - your government takes millions of dollars per year from this government and who knows where that disappears? Maybe you should find out ;)
And your people smugglers earn a million a year selling places on boats. Your government seems to do nothing about this, even though it would be fairly simple for them to find these people smugglers and incarcerate them. It seems that the government must be getting some benefit from the operation, and no doubt it's money, bribes, whatever they can get.
The concept and definition of a 'refugee' is one who is fleeing from a country in which they will be persecuted and that they are seeking acceptance into other countries who will not persecute them. But this is ignored by some who simply want to claim that they are persecuted so that they can take advantage of their chosen host country. When they arrive in their country of choice, when it is by boat, they claim poverty. But having spent tens of thousands of dollars to get here, how can that be possible?
Anyway - you keep them. You're Catholic, which means you are charitable - you will enjoy boatloads of muslims arriving on your island to live, build a bunch of annoying mosques and tell you how to behave and threaten you with death if they decide they don't like you.
hmm.. from the stastics i see that Australia is a Christian majority country so should we call your country 'Christian country'?

Yes. No doubt. im not going to deny that, our government is VERY corrupt so it makes me wonder why you put so much faith on us to stop these illegals by donating 500 million dollars every year.

Why do they choose your country anyway? why do they migrate out of their country hmm? Why don't they stay? hmmm...maybe it's because you people are invading their countries?

We actually dont have obligation to stop these people as they entered our country legally, when their boats sink we are ready to pick them up, despite of all of our own problems, even though we are third world nation, our govt corrupt, there are Islamic schools who teach their students how to make bombs, despite conflicts in Sulawesi, Maluku, Papua, despite of over population, despite of 30% poverty in indonesia, despite of people raping and marrying cows, despite of our neighbors stealing our islands and cultures, despite of earthquakes, tsunamis and everything else we still find time to cater to your needs then you say we dont 'work hard enough', is it our problem? do we care? shoud we follow suit and start migrating to aussie as well because our govt is so corrupt?
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hmm.. from the stastics i see that Australia is a Christian majority country so should we call your country 'Christian country'?
Yes. No doubt. im not going to deny that, our government is VERY corrupt so it makes me wonder why you put so much faith on us to stop these illegals by donating 500 million dollars every year.
Why do they choose your country anyway? why do they migrate out of their country hmm? Why don't they stay? hmmm...maybe it's because you people are invading their countries?
We actually dont have obligation to stop these people as they entered our country legally, when their boats sink we are ready to pick them up, despite of all of our own problems, even though we are third world nation, our govt corrupt, there are Islamic schools who teach their students how to make bombs, despite conflicts in Sulawesi, Maluku, Papua, despite of over population, despite of 30% poverty in indonesia, despite of people raping and marrying cows, despite of our neighbors stealing our islands and cultures, despite of earthquakes, tsunamis and everything else we still find time to cater to your needs then you say we dont 'work hard enough', is it our problem? do we care? shoud we follow suit and start migrating to aussie as well because our govt is so corrupt?
indonesia is always asking for money from every where, even from china. greedy islamic president
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hmm.. from the stastics i see that Australia is a Christian majority country so should we call your country 'Christian country'?
Yes. No doubt. im not going to deny that, our government is VERY corrupt so it makes me wonder why you put so much faith on us to stop these illegals by donating 500 million dollars every year.
Why do they choose your country anyway? why do they migrate out of their country hmm? Why don't they stay? hmmm...maybe it's because you people are invading their countries?
We actually dont have obligation to stop these people as they entered our country legally, when their boats sink we are ready to pick them up, despite of all of our own problems, even though we are third world nation, our govt corrupt, there are Islamic schools who teach their students how to make bombs, despite conflicts in Sulawesi, Maluku, Papua, despite of over population, despite of 30% poverty in indonesia, despite of people raping and marrying cows, despite of our neighbors stealing our islands and cultures, despite of earthquakes, tsunamis and everything else we still find time to cater to your needs then you say we dont 'work hard enough', is it our problem? do we care? shoud we follow suit and start migrating to aussie as well because our govt is so corrupt?
According to our most recent census data Australia would be considered 'secular', as I recall - so no, it wouldn't be considered Christian by that measure.

As far as 'invading' anyone's country - I don't agree with sending anyone there. They can deal with their own problems as far as I'm concerned. Most Australians feel the same way, I would wager.

And yeah you pick them up when their boats sink - so do Australian boats. It's ridiculous, maybe we should just let them drown. They did pay for their tickets after all.

Raping and marrying COWS? Oh dear. I have no idea what to say about that except that I'm sorry to hear it.

Now as for 'catering' to 'our' needs and not working hard enough - not sure what you mean by that. I haven't said anything of the kind. I am saying that if your government gets that much money from this one maybe they'd better start spending it on stuff that matters to whomever is giving them the money!

At least if YOU immigrated, as a Catholic, you wouldn't imagine that you were entitled to rape women and children because they don't wear SCARVES for chrissakes.
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According to our most recent census data Australia would be considered 'secular', as I recall - so no, it wouldn't be considered Christian by that measure.
As far as 'invading' anyone's country - I don't agree with sending anyone there. They can deal with their own problems as far as I'm concerned. Most Australians feel the same way, I would wager.
And yeah you pick them up when their boats sink - so do Australian boats. It's ridiculous, maybe we should just let them drown. They did pay for their tickets after all.
Raping and marrying COWS? Oh dear. I have no idea what to say about that except that I'm sorry to hear it.
Now as for 'catering' to 'our' needs and not working hard enough - not sure what you mean by that. I haven't said anything of the kind. I am saying that if your government gets that much money from this one maybe they'd better start spending it on stuff that matters to whomever is giving them the money!
At least if YOU immigrated, as a Catholic, you wouldn't imagine that you were entitled to rape women and children because they don't wear SCARVES for chrissakes.
Indonesia is a corrupt nation, you said so yourself, what did you expect!

Maybe before you establish a country, you should make sure that you have Sweden as your neighbor and not a third world country like Indonesia

Indonesia USED to be like that too,

Indonesia USED to be secular

During the minority purge in the 60s-70s, thousands clerics were gathered, lined and shot one by one and buried in unmarked graves, all Islamic practice was minimized eventhough it was still allowed.

During the reign of Suharto if you come to Muslim majority places you will rarely see people wearing headscarves and other attributes, people rarely go to mosques etc. people identify itelf by their ethnic not religion. Our women go around the island topless and men respect their women and everything was alright

Then Suharto fell because people want 'democration' advocated by western nations then everything went to hell. Islamic parties sponsored by Arab people established itself here and suddenly people wear headscarves and start conflict with other people.

Maybe if the westerner had minded their own business things wouldnt be like this. Maybe if you hadn't sent troops to iraq, afghanistan and to every single arab countries, these arabs would have little reasons to go here and indoctrinate indonesian muslim people how 'westerners' are killing their muslim 'borthers'.

there'll be no refugees, we wont have to waste money to buid camps, detention centers and patrol ships, and i can still marry that muslim woman that i knew since i was kid but cant because her family went to that arab 'foundation' where people show how you ppl destroy mosques and shit in their arab muslim country

it all because of you!!
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indonesia is always asking for money from every where, even from china. greedy islamic president
actually our national debt decreased during his presidency, we even loaned our money to the IMF to help EU crisis
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<quoted text> we even loaned our money to the IMF to help EU crisis
I doubt it.
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hmm.. from the stastics i see that Australia is a Christian majority country so should we call your country 'Christian country'?
This seems to be a common misconception in many non-English speaking countries. Ostensibly the majority of Australians classify themselves as christians. However, only a fraction of those actually attend church. There is a inter-generational change and the next generation of kids will grow up largely athiest or seek non-christian faiths for perhaps the first time in Australia's history. Secondly we have a seperation of church and state so there is no national religion.
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Europe has welfare. Why not go there?
Maybe Europe doesn't have our over-generous family reunion arrangements where once one of them is here, they can bring out their whole tribe including the disabled, sick and elderly who will sponge off our health and welfare benefits.
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Indonesia is a corrupt nation, you said so yourself, what did you expect!
Maybe before you establish a country, you should make sure that you have Sweden as your neighbor and not a third world country like Indonesia
Indonesia USED to be like that too,
Indonesia USED to be secular
During the minority purge in the 60s-70s, thousands clerics were gathered, lined and shot one by one and buried in unmarked graves, all Islamic practice was minimized eventhough it was still allowed.
During the reign of Suharto if you come to Muslim majority places you will rarely see people wearing headscarves and other attributes, people rarely go to mosques etc. people identify itelf by their ethnic not religion. Our women go around the island topless and men respect their women and everything was alright
Then Suharto fell because people want 'democration' advocated by western nations then everything went to hell. Islamic parties sponsored by Arab people established itself here and suddenly people wear headscarves and start conflict with other people.
Maybe if the westerner had minded their own business things wouldnt be like this. Maybe if you hadn't sent troops to iraq, afghanistan and to every single arab countries, these arabs would have little reasons to go here and indoctrinate indonesian muslim people how 'westerners' are killing their muslim 'borthers'.
there'll be no refugees, we wont have to waste money to buid camps, detention centers and patrol ships, and i can still marry that muslim woman that i knew since i was kid but cant because her family went to that arab 'foundation' where people show how you ppl destroy mosques and shit in their arab muslim country
it all because of you!!
You want us to mind our own business? Why don't you do the same and butt out of this debate- you have nothing at all to contribute
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This seems to be a common misconception in many non-English speaking countries. Ostensibly the majority of Australians classify themselves as christians. However, only a fraction of those actually attend church. There is a inter-generational change and the next generation of kids will grow up largely athiest or seek non-christian faiths for perhaps the first time in Australia's history. Secondly we have a seperation of church and state so there is no national religion.
Australia is not a christian country in the strict sense of phrase, it does however follow a certain ethos which is probably closer to christianity than any other religion.
You could say australia loosely follows the christian spirit of the doctrine rather than the actual letter of the doctrine.
Hitchins arguement that you don't have to be any particular religion to be a decent person is valid, the fact that certain elements of being a decent person happen to be part of any particular religous doctrine is purely coincidental.

The fact that indonesia aids and abets so called refugees trying to get to australia is moot, why would they jump out of the frying pan into the fire, why would they want to stay in another shithole not much better than the one they escaped from, no, they want the real deal in australia, free this, free that,free everything else and you don't even have to work, why would you want to stay in indonesia.

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