Australia 'overwhelmed' with asylum seekers

Nov 22, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: 4029TV.com

By its own admission, the Australian government's policy on asylum seekers has been overwhelmed, just three months after the passing of new laws aimed at stemming the flow of those seeking refuge in Australia.

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SYDNEY, Australia (CNN)—

By its own admission, the Australian government's policy on asylum seekers has been overwhelmed, just three months after the passing of new laws aimed at stemming the flow of those seeking refuge in Australia.

Since the resurrection of the so-called "Pacific Solution," under which asylum seekers making their way to Australia by boat are processed offshore, 7,929 people have arrived in Australian waters on 134 boats, according to the Immigration Department.

Australian Immigration Minister Chris Bowen said Wednesday that detention facilities on Manus Island in Papua New Guinea and Nauru would not be able to accommodate all the asylum seekers who had recently arrived and said that "some of these people will be processed in the Australian community."

At full capacity, Nauru and Manus Island are able to accommodate 2,100 asylum seekers, around a third of the number who have arrived since August 13 when the government announced a return to the policy introduced by the Liberal government led by John Howard in 2001.

The decision to process the overload of asylum seekers on the Australian mainland comes as Amnesty International inspectors this week described conditions at the Nauru detention center, where 387 asylum seekers are currently held, as "appalling."

Amnesty said conditions were so bad that there had been a "terrible spiral" of self-harm, hunger strikes and suicide attempts as people waited to be processed. One of several people on a hunger strike at the facility had not eaten for more than 40 days, the group said. The center on Nauru re-opened in August this year.

"In summer, in the heat, it gets to over 40 degrees during the day in those tents and it was certainly very hot and humid when we were in there. When it's raining, as it is now, the tents are leaking and their bedding gets wet at night,'' Amnesty's Graham Thor told reporters during a visit to the island.

The government has dismissed the criticism.

"Conditions on Nauru at times may not be pleasant but they are the same conditions immigration staff and service providers are working under," Immigration Minister Chris Bowen said.

Foreign Minister Senator Bob Carr insisted Wednesday that despite the extraordinarily large number of arrivals, the re-opening of the Nauru facility had deterred people from making the journey. Nor did he think that Amnesty International's observations had damaged Australia's reputation.
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I still find it amazing that people would spend all of that money to get to a place where they are so miserable they self-harm. I don't understand it.

To be practical, why not take the money spent on getting here and spend it getting somewhere more congenial? Like, somewhere where you can actually hang on to your ID?
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I think most of them have some mental problems before they get here, according to one Government paper I read, a huge amount of asylum seekers - mainly from Iraq have mental health problems... just what we need, when we can't adequately look after our own mentally ill... I think a lot of citizens of this country are so sick of hearing about asylum seekers and the massive cost to this country... deport them as soon as they arrive, and as far as Amnesty goes - tell them where to go - the way they carry on, you would think asylum seekers live in 5 star accomodation in other countries, and funny how they never admonish asylum seekers for the hundreds of millions of dollars damage they have caused to australian taxpayer funded facilities..
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I think most of them have some mental problems before they get here, according to one Government paper I read, a huge amount of asylum seekers - mainly from Iraq have mental health problems... just what we need, when we can't adequately look after our own mentally ill... I think a lot of citizens of this country are so sick of hearing about asylum seekers and the massive cost to this country... deport them as soon as they arrive, and as far as Amnesty goes - tell them where to go - the way they carry on, you would think asylum seekers live in 5 star accomodation in other countries, and funny how they never admonish asylum seekers for the hundreds of millions of dollars damage they have caused to australian taxpayer funded facilities..
If Amnesty paid more attention to where the problems really are - like in the ME where women and children are getting raped and murdered daily and entire cultures destroyed, they might be doing the job they need to do.

There's no doubt in my mind that mental health issues are common in people who have dealt with culturally sanctioned abuse in their lives - but wouldn't it be far easier to deal with it THERE than to deal with it HERE after spending all of that time and money and facing dangerous transport to get here? The risk is appalling, the reward not that great and then adjusting to a new culture is very difficult.

And if they're Iraqi Christians - why not take the tens of thousands of dollars and try to get refugee status in Europe? It's closer - it's easier to get to - is there less chance of getting in, is that the idea?

In the article, Carr states that the people working for the government are living in the same conditions. Granted, they're probably better adjusted and feel safer than refugees so the focus on accommodation just seems like a red herring. 2

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I still find it amazing that people would spend all of that money to get to a place where they are so miserable they self-harm. I don't understand it.
To be practical, why not take the money spent on getting here and spend it getting somewhere more congenial? Like, somewhere where you can actually hang on to your ID?
They are venturing towards democratic countries that provide welfare .
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Europe has welfare. Why not go there?
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I think many are hoodwinked by smugglers. Living in detention camps in Iraq, Sri Lanka and Pakistan must be making them vulnerable to stories of sending their kids to the "land of milk and honey"...

There again many are just opportunists...the almighty question is where do they get $10,000 each? sometimes paying $20K even 50K!!

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We have lots of opportunity to lock people up in all kinds of desolate locations inside and outside Australia but with a conservative 3 Billion of the Globes population in extreme poverty.

Would Australia successfully deter asylum seekers whether they be legitimate or not, just do the maths?

I know many people reading my comment will be cranky, interpreting my remarks as sentiments of some utopian Nair do well. When I am being 100% pragmatic, hard nosed and realistic.

Why burn up resources trying to stop a human tsunami with no hope of success?

The shear weight of statical numbers is way beyond our capacity to find any humane way to prevent their arrival on our shores and maintain a separation from those millions wishing to settle on our shores. To pursue this approach of separation preferred by a large section of the public would inevitably lead to erection of giant walls, that wouldn't work either.

The inevitable conclusion of this fortress Australia approach would eventually mean we prefer global nuclear war for it is the only viable solution that would work. In which case we can certainly reduce the worlds population but in so doing, once having become murderers we turn into suicides, as the nuclear war heads would surely be returned upon us.

As much as it might be hated, the only practical solution might be to change our nature to be comfortable with an environment with people from different cultures and different appearances from ourselves. For this to work in any sustainable way would surely require a two way street. So those intending to live among us would have to accept some minimal rules and standards, not just make their own rules as they wish.

Seriously, the asylum seeker issue has only just begun in Australia, the rest of the western world has had much worse for much longer and there's no sign of it abating. Perhaps it's time to at least consider a practical approach even if it's a hated choice.
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I think many are hoodwinked by smugglers. Living in detention camps in Iraq, Sri Lanka and Pakistan must be making them vulnerable to stories of sending their kids to the "land of milk and honey"...
There again many are just opportunists...the almighty question is where do they get $10,000 each? sometimes paying $20K even 50K!!
That's my question as well. Where does the money come from? It costs money to travel through so many countries to even get to Indonesia. Then to pay for a boat trip? What is the advantage of boat arrival over plane arrival?

Also, as an aside - it was reported recently that smugglers earn about a million dollars a year. Pretty lucrative business for someone with a leaky boat.
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the practical choice would be sending them to Indonesia and Malaysia

Why?

Because majority of these people are Muslims so they'll adapt better in those countries

Why in the hell would you choose Australia over those countries? Did you forget that Australia is a country run by 'infidels' and support Israel?

If you're going to live here with the same culture you have back home and then shouting 'sharia law','halal' foods and rioting for every cartoons and pictures people made about their prophet then with all due respect AUSTRALIA IS NOT THE COUNTRY FOR YOU. but you'll feel right at home in INDONESIA AND MALAYSIA.

So why not go there if you want sharia?

why go to western nation?

I just can't understand that
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That's my question as well. Where does the money come from? It costs money to travel through so many countries to even get to Indonesia. Then to pay for a boat trip? What is the advantage of boat arrival over plane arrival?
Also, as an aside - it was reported recently that smugglers earn about a million dollars a year. Pretty lucrative business for someone with a leaky boat.
The Indonesian government officials must be making even more money.
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the practical choice would be sending them to Indonesia and Malaysia
Why?
Indonesia, India and Pakistan already have milions of poor. The last thing they want is more refugees when they can't even look after their own. So they make life as difficult as possible for the refos.

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Why can't they just turn the boats around for?. We give Indonesia 500 Million dollar's a year in aid money and this is how the repay us?. I think we should charge Indonesia 20 Million dollars per boat in Aid money and watch how fast they will do something about boat people. Then again-It's another Muslim country so I'm not suprised and anyone who voted for Labor or Greens. FUCK YOU!. You made this happen
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Bin em drown em post em home delete them into. Cyberspace pay for their airfares I don't care just get rid of the vermin
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We have lots of opportunity to lock people up in all kinds of desolate locations inside and outside Australia but with a conservative 3 Billion of the Globes population in extreme poverty.
Would Australia successfully deter asylum seekers whether they be legitimate or not, just do the maths?
I know many people reading my comment will be cranky, interpreting my remarks as sentiments of some utopian Nair do well. When I am being 100% pragmatic, hard nosed and realistic.
Why burn up resources trying to stop a human tsunami with no hope of success?
The shear weight of statical numbers is way beyond our capacity to find any humane way to prevent their arrival on our shores and maintain a separation from those millions wishing to settle on our shores. To pursue this approach of separation preferred by a large section of the public would inevitably lead to erection of giant walls, that wouldn't work either.
The inevitable conclusion of this fortress Australia approach would eventually mean we prefer global nuclear war for it is the only viable solution that would work. In which case we can certainly reduce the worlds population but in so doing, once having become murderers we turn into suicides, as the nuclear war heads would surely be returned upon us.
As much as it might be hated, the only practical solution might be to change our nature to be comfortable with an environment with people from different cultures and different appearances from ourselves. For this to work in any sustainable way would surely require a two way street. So those intending to live among us would have to accept some minimal rules and standards, not just make their own rules as they wish.
Seriously, the asylum seeker issue has only just begun in Australia, the rest of the western world has had much worse for much longer and there's no sign of it abating. Perhaps it's time to at least consider a practical approach even if it's a hated choice.
Yes, there were 10 million people who were considered 'refugees' in 2009, which doesn't sound like much considering there are 7 billion people on the planet; but though it's been said ad-nauseam, Australia has trouble taking care of the people who are already here. There is also the problem of the government not paying people to do the jobs that they are supposed to do in order to determine 'suitability'.

The government needs to PAY PEOPLE to do the job the immigration department seems to have farmed out to the mining and education industries. Also, I am thinking that serious psychometric testing needs to be in place and enforced before allowing any others to settle here. I've said before that I've watched muslims attend citizenship ceremonies in which they do not speak the pledge - clearly they are disallowed to honour the country in which they are gaining citizenship because of their religion. What does that do for a country besides turn it into a battleground for religious vendettas?

And there was the solution put forward that Australia have boundaries surrounding the entire country. In that way it would have borders that made it impossible for illegal immigrants to have access to legal, or any other assistance on arrival. What happened to that idea?
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The Indonesian government officials must be making even more money.
They're already getting hundreds of millions of dollars a year from the Australian government. Money that in my opinion should be going toward housing and job creation.

Sick of the whole lot of them.
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Let them buy Australian citizenship for $10,000 each and
fly here safely.
We will have the money and the smugglers none.
90% get citizenship anyway.
Waste of money putting them in detention.
If they do a crime then put them in a normal jail.

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the practical choice would be sending them to Indonesia and Malaysia
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Because majority of these people are Muslims so they'll adapt better in those countries
Why in the hell would you choose Australia over those countries? Did you forget that Australia is a country run by 'infidels' and support Israel?
If you're going to live here with the same culture you have back home and then shouting 'sharia law','halal' foods and rioting for every cartoons and pictures people made about their prophet then with all due respect AUSTRALIA IS NOT THE COUNTRY FOR YOU. but you'll feel right at home in INDONESIA AND MALAYSIA.
So why not go there if you want sharia?
why go to western nation?
I just can't understand that
Actually, I'm in part agreement because by the local population rallying around shared commitments, such as commitment to the lineage of the Israeli heritage that's ingrained in our western culture. Would protect the population more than any walls or detention camps from undesirable “guests”.

After all as you say,“Why in the hell would you choose Australia over those countries?”

I'll tell you because today, the Australia of “..looking after your Mates..” has gone. It's Australia of, every man for himself. The beneficiaries of the “every man and woman for themselves...' are called successful, like wealthy Bankers, Used Car Salesmen and corrupt politicians.

The Australia of the “fair go has gone..'. Who would want to turn up on our shores and be at home in such a Nation? Those same similar self servers and opportunists but only born overseas, really not so different from ourselves.

No, wonder we react the way we do when we see those outsiders reaping benefits by exploiting refugee Laws and provisions. We see the unflattering side of ourselves and become upset.

We can hardly complain if, others exploit opportunities made available by our quisling politicians, encouraging opportunists to arrive on boats on false pretensions. They only reflect our selfish opportunistic society.

Change ourselves by which, we change our society.

Then the enticement for opportunists to reap selfish benefits will vanish in a society of mutual responsibility. Then what you said,“Why in the hell would you choose Australia over those countries?” would repel the dishonest and selfish and positively attract the right candidates to immigrate to Australia, committed to uniting to Australia, it's population and culture.
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They're already getting hundreds of millions of dollars a year from the Australian government. Money that in my opinion should be going toward housing and job creation.
Sick of the whole lot of them.
the thing is mister, they came here legally by plane, when we caught them in motels they have passports and documents but when they go to australia they preferred to go by boats, we dont know why
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They're already getting hundreds of millions of dollars a year from the Australian government. Money that in my opinion should be going toward housing and job creation.
Sick of the whole lot of them.
agreed, but the aid money is largely strategic, securing trade, forestry and mining rights...

The officials collect the bribes in open daylight. Much like the Balibo 5 and east Timor Australia seems to be standing idly by.

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