Holden's signs similar to Mitsubishi

Holden's signs similar to Mitsubishi

There are 54 comments on the Sunday Mail story from May 20, 2013, titled Holden's signs similar to Mitsubishi. In it, Sunday Mail reports that:

Holden admits its short term prospects are grim, and it blames falling sales of the Adelaide-made Commodore and Cruze for its 150 million dollar loss Last hurrah? Holden workers, Premier Jay Weatherill and managing director Mike Devereux celebrate as Holden unveils its VF SS Commodore sports sedan at Adelaide's Elizabeth plant earlier this year.

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“Turn left at pub Number 42”

Since: Dec 08

Homehill,QLD

#1 May 20, 2013
"blames falling sales"
Heres a hit as to why..We dont want those large V8s anymore.

And what are they(Holden)pinning their hopes on to save them?
Broom

Biddinghuizen, Netherlands

#2 May 20, 2013
People seem to buy alot of V8s now, not everyone is a fairy that loves to drive around in a little gay car and blab on about fuel economy.
trev

Geelong, Australia

#3 May 20, 2013
v8 sales have remained steady or even increasing last time i heard. the problem is price.

the elephant in the room that no one wants to talk about is the ridiculous amount of makes and models that we allow to be imported here - even more than the u.s.a!

when you consider most are built with slave labour, is it any wonder our local manufacturers cannot compete? an uneducated factory worker here would be making 40-50k these days. guess what a chinese worker makes? add to that all the OHS, environmental regs, etc, etc, etc things that our competitors do not do.

free market is fine for a level playing field, but level it aint!

Since: Aug 11

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#4 May 20, 2013
It is sad, but I just bought a new golf for the misses cos a commodore is to big for her and the cruze needs an update.

Sorry but I love getting 1000km out of the tank and build quality only the Germans supply. Last new car we bought was a mini, also German and also can't be faulted for quality.

trev

Geelong, Australia

#5 May 21, 2013
you'll lose that fuel saving with your major service! around $1k!

the direct injection lpg falcon uses less fuel than a corolla but morons at ford don't know how to advertise these things.

Also good luck towing a trailer, caravan or boat with the golf or putting more than 2 adults in it. small cars are fking useless unless you have no life and only use it to get to and from work!!
normal Aussie wrote:
It is sad, but I just bought a new golf for the misses cos a commodore is to big for her and the cruze needs an update.
Sorry but I love getting 1000km out of the tank and build quality only the Germans supply. Last new car we bought was a mini, also German and also can't be faulted for quality.

Since: Aug 11

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#6 May 21, 2013
trev wrote:
<quoted text>you'll lose that fuel saving with your major service! around $1k!

the direct injection lpg falcon uses less fuel than a corolla but morons at ford don't know how to advertise these things.

Also good luck towing a trailer, caravan or boat with the golf or putting more than 2 adults in it. small cars are fking useless unless you have no life and only use it to get to and from work!!
I have a twin cab ute to tow and pick stuff up for the house etc..

Large cars are a waste if you're not gonna use the space, we looked at 10 different cars and that was perfect for her. What, I should buy a falcon or commodore instead of them make something that is going to sell. Mazda 3 is selling heaps, but lets make two family cars in direct competition with each other.

And the service isn't a grand as I checked beforehand.

I'm not one against the local market either, I just sold a BA falcon and own a valiant and HZ ute. So I love the Aussie cars but we wanted a mid size car and Australia didn't have one. Except the cruze, and I had one as a rental car on holiday and wasn't overly impressed.
johny mad dog

Tangerang, Indonesia

#7 May 21, 2013
I wonder why the holden brand doesn't expand to other countries like other brands, I remember learning to drive with my friend father's 3800 cc holden statesmen car, I always pester him to let me drive the car stored in the garage, he let me (it was in 1995, the car is like from the 70s, and I was only 14 at the time), almost hit a cat in the car park, good memory. I felt like a boss driving it, like everybody drive small Japanese cars and I drive the only European car yeeaehh...

Since: Aug 11

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#8 May 21, 2013
johny mad dog wrote:
I wonder why the holden brand doesn't expand to other countries like other brands, I remember learning to drive with my friend father's 3800 cc holden statesmen car, I always pester him to let me drive the car stored in the garage, he let me (it was in 1995, the car is like from the 70s, and I was only 14 at the time), almost hit a cat in the car park, good memory. I felt like a boss driving it, like everybody drive small Japanese cars and I drive the only European car yeeaehh...
They were, to America under Pontiac and Chevy badges and the UK under Vauxhall badging
trev

Geelong, Australia

#9 May 21, 2013
1)we do not use slave labour in the country so it is almost impossible to compete in overseas markets

2)despite us reducing our tariffs to almost zero now, if you want to import cars to some asian countries, you will be slugged with massive tariffs!

level playing field?????
johny mad dog wrote:
I wonder why the holden brand doesn't expand to other countries like other brands,
trev

Geelong, Australia

#10 May 21, 2013
i hear what your saying and most families have a small car for mum but the problem is people aren't buying local for dads car. when you consider the amount of hilux and other suv types out there I think the claim that aussies don't want large cars is a total myth.
the end result is going to be the demise of these companies which in turn will flow on to many other jobs and then none us of will be able to afford the cheaper imports anyway!
supporting local manufacturers has far reaching benefits other than workers directly employed.
normal Aussie wrote:
<quoted text>
I have a twin cab ute to tow and pick stuff up for the house etc..
Large cars are a waste if you're not gonna use the space, we looked at 10 different cars and that was perfect for her. What, I should buy a falcon or commodore instead of them make something that is going to sell. Mazda 3 is selling heaps, but lets make two family cars in direct competition with each other.
And the service isn't a grand as I checked beforehand.
I'm not one against the local market either, I just sold a BA falcon and own a valiant and HZ ute. So I love the Aussie cars but we wanted a mid size car and Australia didn't have one. Except the cruze, and I had one as a rental car on holiday and wasn't overly impressed.
EuroBoy

Australia

#11 May 21, 2013
The Holden can't comptete against European, Japanese, and Korean manufacturers in terms of quality, features and value for money. These countries are miles ahead in engineering skill, robotics and automation. It has nothing to do with cost of labour, since it is comparitive to australia. The holden is doomed because it has a very limited and shrinking market, the loyal Bogan who is blissfully unaware that other brands surpass their beloved icon, and is still stuck in the 1980's when it comes to cars.

Since: Aug 11

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#12 May 21, 2013
trev wrote:
<quoted text>i hear what your saying and most families have a small car for mum but the problem is people aren't buying local for dads car. when you consider the amount of hilux and other suv types out there I think the claim that aussies don't want large cars is a total myth.
the end result is going to be the demise of these companies which in turn will flow on to many other jobs and then none us of will be able to afford the cheaper imports anyway!
supporting local manufacturers has far reaching benefits other than workers directly employed.
I know, and I'm looking to buy a Holden ute but they don't make the crewman anymore. They know Aussies love utes but they aren't investing enough in them. Even if they invested in a 4wd twin cab ute platform it would stop people like me looking at a Mitsubishi or Toyota. A crewman isn't really what I'm after but I would have bought one because its close enough and I like to support locals but they don't even make them anymore.

I'm the guy th

Since: Aug 11

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#13 May 21, 2013
trev wrote:
<quoted text>i hear what your saying and most families have a small car for mum but the problem is people aren't buying local for dads car. when you consider the amount of hilux and other suv types out there I think the claim that aussies don't want large cars is a total myth.
the end result is going to be the demise of these companies which in turn will flow on to many other jobs and then none us of will be able to afford the cheaper imports anyway!
supporting local manufacturers has far reaching benefits other than workers directly employed.
I'm the guy that waits in line as to not go through self service and take people's jobs away.

Since: Aug 11

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#14 May 21, 2013
EuroBoy wrote:
The Holden can't comptete against European, Japanese, and Korean manufacturers in terms of quality, features and value for money. These countries are miles ahead in engineering skill, robotics and automation. It has nothing to do with cost of labour, since it is comparitive to australia. The holden is doomed because it has a very limited and shrinking market, the loyal Bogan who is blissfully unaware that other brands surpass their beloved icon, and is still stuck in the 1980's when it comes to cars.
Korean? Sorry but the Aussie makes are better, look the Camry with its hybrid tech or the commodore was used as the platform for the camaro in the states.

They just need smaller cars
EuroBoy

Sydney, Australia

#15 May 21, 2013
normal Aussie wrote:
<quoted text>
Korean? Sorry but the Aussie makes are better, look the Camry with its hybrid tech or the commodore was used as the platform for the camaro in the states.
They just need smaller cars
Look at any reliability, build quality in car reviews and most Korean cars rate above our locally australian made stuff.

“Turn left at pub Number 42”

Since: Dec 08

Homehill,QLD

#16 May 21, 2013
Broom wrote:
People seem to buy alot of V8s now, not everyone is a fairy that loves to drive around in a little gay car and blab on about fuel economy.
You know why those V8s became superstars?

The little gay cars were kicking their ass badly, so a rule change was called for.

Been exiting watching Bathurst the last ten years..The great two horse race.
Probably the reason Nissan has been added to the line up.The writing is on the wall for Holden V8,Or the 2015 Bathurst race will look like this

2015 Bathurst V8 supercar..Ford Vs ford who will win?
GoGoBar

Thailand

#17 May 21, 2013
Mitsubishi made the "Zero" Kamakizee fighter.
Their bombers that attacked Darwin dropped more tonnage than Pearl Harbour.
They also made all the Japanese WW11 shipping.
The Atomic Bomb that was meant to destroy the Mitsubishi heavy industries missed and killed 80,0000 civillians.

Mitsubishi is now Bank of America.
And a large part of Australia.
Chlysler.

How do they do it?
trev

Geelong, Australia

#18 May 21, 2013
cost of labour is comparative to australia and thats the issue, our cost of labour is not comparative to most of the countries that flood hundreds of makes and models into this small market, despite protecting their own markets!

i work in automation and have been to a couple of overseas plants and can tell you first hand there is not much difference. the biggest difference is that some manufacturers take over a market and therefore have more cash to spend on upgrading plant. these countries are definately not 'miles ahead' in terms of engineering - ever seen a chinese press in operation? one guy hands a part to another guy inside the press! loose an arm, doesn't matter theres 500 outside waiting for your job.

totally disagree about quality/features etc. have you even driven a new commodore lately?
i know someone who has had a german golf, south african focus and now thai focus, all shite - the golf was the worst, total lemon.
EuroBoy wrote:
The Holden can't comptete against European, Japanese, and Korean manufacturers in terms of quality, features and value for money. These countries are miles ahead in engineering skill, robotics and automation. It has nothing to do with cost of labour, since it is comparitive to australia. The holden is doomed because it has a very limited and shrinking market, the loyal Bogan who is blissfully unaware that other brands surpass their beloved icon, and is still stuck in the 1980's when it comes to cars.
trev

Geelong, Australia

#19 May 21, 2013
even if they build small cars here they will be way more expensive than what you can import - hence why the ford focus bid was lost to thailand.
normal Aussie wrote:
<quoted text>
Korean? Sorry but the Aussie makes are better, look the Camry with its hybrid tech or the commodore was used as the platform for the camaro in the states.
They just need smaller cars
GoGoBar

Thailand

#20 May 21, 2013
trev wrote:
cost of labour is comparative to australia and thats the issue, our cost of labour is not comparative to most of the countries that flood hundreds of makes and models into this small market, despite protecting their own markets!
i work in automation and have been to a couple of overseas plants and can tell you first hand there is not much difference. the biggest difference is that some manufacturers take over a market and therefore have more cash to spend on upgrading plant. these countries are definately not 'miles ahead' in terms of engineering - ever seen a chinese press in operation? one guy hands a part to another guy inside the press! loose an arm, doesn't matter theres 500 outside waiting for your job.
totally disagree about quality/features etc. have you even driven a new commodore lately?
i know someone who has had a german golf, south african focus and now thai focus, all shite - the golf was the worst, total lemon.
<quoted text>
The Unions support an Australian Domestic Gas Price.
Fracking and onshore Gas Facilities should decouple from the International market price and provide cost plus investment prices for Australian Households and Industries.
If Australia cannot compete in the labour market, we should at least use our productivity advantage with discounted energy supplies.
All of our competitors in Asia have fuel subsidies, substantial

I admire free trade but it should be Quid pro quo, just as international property and equity markets should be Quid pro Quo.

Try buying land or a Company in Asia. It can be done but the next election is your nonly timeframe.

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