World loses tolerance for Muslims.

[TurningTides]

Death in a court creates a martyr.

IT WAS while Marwa el-Sherbini was in the dock that the accused strode across a Dresden courtroom and plunged a knife into her 18 times. She had been recalling how the man had insulted her for wearing a hijab after she asked him to let her son sit on a swing last year.

Her three-year-old son, Mustafa, was forced to watch as his mother slumped to the courtroom floor.

Even her husband, Elvi Ali Okaz, could do nothing as his pregnant wife was killed by the 28-year-old Russian stock controller who was being sued for insult and abuse. As Mr Okaz ran to save her he, too, was brought down, shot by a police officer who mistook him for the attacker. He is now in intensive care in a Dresden hospital.

The horrific incident that took place a week ago has attracted little publicity in Europe, and in Germany has focused more on issues of court security than the racist motivation behind the attack. But 3000 kilometres away in her native Egypt, the 32-year-old pharmacist has been named the "headscarf martyr".

Ms Sherbini's funeral took place in her native Alexandria on Monday in the presence of thousands of mourners and leading government figures. There are plans to name a street after her.

Ms Sherbini, a former national handball champion, and Mr Okaz, a genetic engineer who was just about to submit his PhD, had reportedly lived in Germany since 2003. They were believed to be planning to return to Egypt at the end of the year.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/death-in-a-court-...
Unemployed Alex W. from Perm in Russia was found guilty last November of insulting and abusing Ms Sherbini, screaming "terrorist" and "Islamist whore" at her, during the Dresden park encounter. He was fined 780 euros ($1370) but had appealed, which is why he and Ms Sherbini appeared face to face in court again.

Even though he had made his anti-Muslim sentiments clear, there was no heightened security and questions remain as to why he was allowed to bring a knife into the courtroom.

The government of Angela Merkel has been criticised for its sluggish response to the attack. The general secretaries of both the Central Council of Jews and the Central Council of Muslims, Stephan Kramer and Aiman Mazyek, spoke of the "inexplicably sparse" reactions from both media and politicians.

Because it occurred days after the French President Nicolas Sarkozy gave a speech denouncing the burqa, many Egyptians believe Sherbini's death is part of a broader trend of European intolerance towards Muslims.

Media pundits such as Abdel Azeem Hamad, the editor of the newspaper al-Shorouk, have argued that if Ms Sherbini had been Jewish the incident would have received greater attention.

[TurningTides]

France, China, Germany.

[IOL]

I'm not Muslim and I don't like Islam. I don't like the Burka either.

But it doesn't mean that I can prevent others from wearing one. I don't like mullets or rat-tails, but can I go around cutting them off. How about wiggers wearing gangsta hats. Don't like them either. Are we going to prevent people from wearing hoodies too. I'm severely offended by people wearing flags and other nationalist clothing - but then again I have no right to force them to take it off.

Muslims shouldn't be allowed special privileges. But the right to wear whatever they want - provided it doesn't contravene school/work uniforms rules - is a right that everyone is entitled to.

This Russian should be allowed into Australia as an honorary citizen. He would get along with Australia's founding fathers, the rapists, pedophiles, bank robbers, and prostitutes.

[bah humbug]

IOL wrote:

I'm not Muslim and I don't like Islam. I don't like the Burka either.
But it doesn't mean that I can prevent others from wearing one. I don't like mullets or rat-tails, but can I go around cutting them off. How about wiggers wearing gangsta hats. Don't like them either. Are we going to prevent people from wearing hoodies too. I'm severely offended by people wearing flags and other nationalist clothing - but then again I have no right to force them to take it off.
Muslims shouldn't be allowed special privileges. But the right to wear whatever they want - provided it doesn't contravene school/work uniforms rules - is a right that everyone is entitled to.
This Russian should be allowed into Australia as an honorary citizen. He would get along with Australia's founding fathers, the rapists, pedophiles, bank robbers, and prostitutes.

you sounded pretty credible there until your last paragraph..now your post lacks any credibility.

you dislike too many people and so many things it's about time you looked inside yourself and asked why, what the hell is wrong with me.

[dangerous thoughts]

IOL wrote:

I'm not Muslim and I don't like Islam. I don't like the Burka either.
But it doesn't mean that I can prevent others from wearing one. I don't like mullets or rat-tails, but can I go around cutting them off. How about wiggers wearing gangsta hats. Don't like them either. Are we going to prevent people from wearing hoodies too. I'm severely offended by people wearing flags and other nationalist clothing - but then again I have no right to force them to take it off.
Muslims shouldn't be allowed special privileges. But the right to wear whatever they want - provided it doesn't contravene school/work uniforms rules - is a right that everyone is entitled to.
This Russian should be allowed into Australia as an honorary citizen. He would get along with Australia's founding fathers, the rapists, pedophiles, bank robbers, and prostitutes.

you have no "right" to keep insulting aussies either but you don't let that stop you..you have no "right" to this country but you keep telling us you have more "rights" to it that aussies do..you forgot to mention the tree lopping convicts or even the convict who 'sold bad bread to the royal establishment and was sentenced to seven years'..education and fact not your forte are they..
no wonder the countries you racist morons come from are considered backward.you sound like Britain back in the days of India and convicts..

[Blind Justice]

TurningTides wrote:

As Mr Okaz ran to save her he, too, was brought down, shot by a police officer who mistook him for the attacker.

Mistook!, somehow I just don't believe that.

[anna3]

IOL wrote:

I'm not Muslim and I don't like Islam. I don't like the Burka either.
But it doesn't mean that I can prevent others from wearing one. I don't like mullets or rat-tails, but can I go around cutting them off. How about wiggers wearing gangsta hats. Don't like them either. Are we going to prevent people from wearing hoodies too. I'm severely offended by people wearing flags and other nationalist clothing - but then again I have no right to force them to take it off.
Muslims shouldn't be allowed special privileges. But the right to wear whatever they want - provided it doesn't contravene school/work uniforms rules - is a right that everyone is entitled to.
This Russian should be allowed into Australia as an honorary citizen. He would get along with Australia's founding fathers, the rapists, pedophiles, bank robbers, and prostitutes.

Women wearing burkas should NEVER be allowed! It is condoning enslavement and repression. It will not be tolerated in the Western world, and all people including Muslims should rebel against it.
Wearing headscarfs and modest dress is fine, but the burka is just insane!
If it's so great then men should wear it too, the men who want their women to wear it! They wouldn't!
You have a problem with tolerance, and going on about rat tails and other stuff is just stupid!

And what the hell is wrong with Russians?
I can't stand your kind of trash that brings pedophilia into every conversation, it is a world problem and not applicable to being an Aussie trait!
But of course, you are another one of those ignorant racist who thinks his opinion counts!

[Blind Justice]

December 5, 2006

Malaysia: Islamists Demand Women "Cover Up"

Kota Baru (Kota Bharu) is the capital city of Kelantan state, Malaysia. Its municipal council is run by Islamists who are allied to the PAS party. Kelantan is the only state to have a PAS majority. Led by Tuan Guru Haji Abdul Hadi Awang, the PAS party was first registered on May 31, 1955. Formerly called Persatuan Islam Se-Malaysia, it now calls itself Parti Islam Se-Malaysia. PAS wants to have an Islamic government which rules the entire country, irrespective of ethnic or religious belief, under the principles of Sharia law.

In 1990, PAS gained control of Kelantan state from then prime minister Mahathir Mohammad's UMNO party, and in Kota Baru Municipal Council (MPKB), Islamist laws were soon enacted. In 1996, the city council ordered that all supermarkets should have separate check-out lines for males and females, though this was loosely enforced. Additionally, unisex hair salons were banned, and thus many hair salons had their clientele halved.

Lipstick-wearing at work was banned, cinemas were ordered to keep lights on during performances (lest un-Islamic things went on in the dark) and women were ordered to wear the tudung (the Malaysian equivalent of the Hijab or Muslim headscarf), whilst at work. In 2000, 23 women were fined for not wearing this garment.

Laws on Islamic dress can only apply to Muslims, but this does not include images of Muslim or non-Muslim women with their heads uncovered. In May 2002, the head of Kota Baru Municipal Council, Abdul Aziz Abdul Rahman, ordered that images of women on advertising billboards should not show them without the tudung.

In 1992, PAS had introduced an order that asserted that in Kelantan state, all female models should be shown wearing the tudung. Rahman noted that by 2002 this ruling was not being followed. He announced that any advertisements showing women without headscarves would be ripped down. He said: "However, lately we have noticed some sections of the business community are not adhering to the requirement." He claimed he was acting to protect "the image of women in the state."

Once again, Kota Baru Municipal Council has decided to ensure that women's image in the state is protected, by imposing more restrictions upon the women themselves. And women's groups are not happy at this demeaning treatment, states Malaysia's Star newspaper.

Mohammad Azman Daham, who is public relations officer for the MPKB, said that under local council by-laws, any woman, Muslim or non-Muslim, who "dressed sexily or indecently" could be fined up to 500 ringgit ($140). It was announced by MPKB that it would "no longer tolerate indecent dressing".

Issues of what is considered "indecent" are highly subjective, so the council has indicated a set of guidelines to clarify what is decent and what is indecent for women who work in retail outlets and in restaurants. It appears that service jobs are the only ones MPKB thinks women can do, or allows them to do. No mention is made of bank tellers, solicitors, business managers or other professions where women might be seen by the public, so one must assume the glass ceiling in Kelantan is set very low. Under Malaysia's religious apartheid, the rules are different for Muslims and non-Muslims.

[Blind Justice]

Continued.
Muslim women must dress in clothes which cover them down to their ankles, and they must also wear the tudung. For non-Muslim women, they must wear "decent outfits which do not expose the navel, show a lot of cleavage and emphasize the buttocks".

Outlawed for all women in employment, especially non-Muslims, are: "body hugging outfits which show off the body, blouses which show the navel, see-through blouses, mini-skirts, tight pants,"

Mohammad Azman Daham said: "Such outfits are prohibited here as it smears the reputation of Kota Baru and affects its status as an Islamic City." He admitted that prohibition of indecent dressing has been in place under by-laws for some time, but stated: "But now, MPKB will no longer tolerate skimpy outfits, following mounting complaints from the public."

Enforcement officers from the council would patrol localities to ensure the rules were followed. He spoke of "suspicious areas", listing off shopping malls. Any business which allowed its female employees to not dress like spinster librarians or in Muslim shrouds are to be subjected to fines.

Takiyuddin Hassan, Kelantan's State Local Government Committee chairman, said: "We define proper attire as wearing respectful clothing. We apologise to non-Muslims if this comes across as harsh but we must respect our Asian culture and religion in public."

Women's representatives have been infuriated by the latest enforcement of Muslim prudery. The executive director of Women's Aid Organisation (WAO), Ivy Josiah, called the ruling unacceptable and ridiculous. She said women were continually blamed for being raped or subjected to sexual harassment on account of the way they dressed, while men were never blamed for their predatory behavior.

She said: "I would like to know what is the (acceptable) level of tightness of a pair of pants or jeans, and what happens to those of us who have larger buttocks? Is the MPKB saying that we cannot wear pants or jeans as it will emphasise the buttocks?"

She said that the MPKB should stick to cleaning drains, managing parks, collecting garbage and providing child care centers.

The women's section chief of the MCA party, Dr Ng Yen Yen, was not amused. MCA (the Malaysian Chinese Association), is the second largest partner in a coalition with the ruling UMNO party. Dr Ng said: "If men wear tight fitting jeans, is that not deemed sexy? Why is it only the women are targeted, so much so that the ruling covers non-Muslim women as well?"

Maria Chin Abdullah, who is executive director of the Women's Development Collective wondered if the MPKB intended to impose rulings on decency to men who dressed in singlets and shorts, exposing their thighs, arms and armpits.

She said: "Firstly, are these gatal (lecherous) men intending to buy products or eat at the restaurants, or are they there to see how the women are dressed? If that is their purpose, then it is an insult to the mentality of Malaysian men."

Honey Tam, executive director of the All-Women's Action Society (Awam) said that forcing women to be the ones to be responsible in issues of morality is both discriminatory and a violation of women's rights.

Ms Tam said: "It is not the job of the council to become the 'moral police', and if it is concerned about the community it serves, it should encourage men and women to respect each other regardless of their dressing."

The illustration above right depicts a "tudung". By wearing lipstick, the model would be considered "indecent" and would be subject to a fine in Kota Baru if she appeared at work like this.

[Blind Justice]

Sorry, part 1 didn't post.

December 5, 2006

Malaysia: Islamists Demand Women "Cover Up"

Kota Baru (Kota Bharu) is the capital city of Kelantan state, Malaysia. Its municipal council is run by Islamists who are allied to the PAS party. Kelantan is the only state to have a PAS majority. Led by Tuan Guru Haji Abdul Hadi Awang, the PAS party was first registered on May 31, 1955. Formerly called Persatuan Islam Se-Malaysia, it now calls itself Parti Islam Se-Malaysia. PAS wants to have an Islamic government which rules the entire country, irrespective of ethnic or religious belief, under the principles of Sharia law.

In 1990, PAS gained control of Kelantan state from then prime minister Mahathir Mohammad's UMNO party, and in Kota Baru Municipal Council (MPKB), Islamist laws were soon enacted. In 1996, the city council ordered that all supermarkets should have separate check-out lines for males and females, though this was loosely enforced. Additionally, unisex hair salons were banned, and thus many hair salons had their clientele halved.

Lipstick-wearing at work was banned, cinemas were ordered to keep lights on during performances (lest un-Islamic things went on in the dark) and women were ordered to wear the tudung (the Malaysian equivalent of the Hijab or Muslim headscarf), whilst at work. In 2000, 23 women were fined for not wearing this garment.

Laws on Islamic dress can only apply to Muslims, but this does not include images of Muslim or non-Muslim women with their heads uncovered. In May 2002, the head of Kota Baru Municipal Council, Abdul Aziz Abdul Rahman, ordered that images of women on advertising billboards should not show them without the tudung.

In 1992, PAS had introduced an order that asserted that in Kelantan state, all female models should be shown wearing the tudung. Rahman noted that by 2002 this ruling was not being followed. He announced that any advertisements showing women without headscarves would be ripped down. He said: "However, lately we have noticed some sections of the business community are not adhering to the requirement." He claimed he was acting to protect "the image of women in the state."

Once again, Kota Baru Municipal Council has decided to ensure that women's image in the state is protected, by imposing more restrictions upon the women themselves. And women's groups are not happy at this demeaning treatment, states Malaysia's Star newspaper.

Mohammad Azman Daham, who is public relations officer for the MPKB, said that under local council by-laws, any woman, Muslim or non-Muslim, who "dressed sexily or indecently" could be fined up to 500 ringgit ($140). It was announced by MPKB that it would "no longer tolerate indecent dressing".

Issues of what is considered "indecent" are highly subjective, so the council has indicated a set of guidelines to clarify what is decent and what is indecent for women who work in retail outlets and in restaurants. It appears that service jobs are the only ones MPKB thinks women can do, or allows them to do. No mention is made of bank tellers, solicitors, business managers or other professions where women might be seen by the public, so one must assume the glass ceiling in Kelantan is set very low. Under Malaysia's religious apartheid, the rules are different for Muslims and non-Muslims.

[mat]

The western world has really made a bid error letting muslim people into there countries as immigrants. What is even worse is some countries are adapting rules to support muslim culture when they should be banning it.

[crazy]

then some decide to live in western countries

[Shazza and Dazza]

mat wrote:

The western world has really made a bid error letting muslim people into there countries as immigrants. What is even worse is some countries are adapting rules to support muslim culture when they should be banning it.

spot on mate

[Baruch Goldshtein]

Hahaahahahha!!! All Muslimes should go back to towelheadistan and get the hell out of the West before they are sent to the gas chambers.

[Baruch Goldshtein]

I would urinate on that Arab bitchez body!!!

[Great Idea]

Sarkozy has the right idea.
Those families refusing to conform should be given the death sentence.

[let me reiterate]

mat wrote:

The western world has really made a bid error letting muslim people into there countries as immigrants. What is even worse is some countries are adapting rules to support muslim culture when they should be banning it.

Yes, as a woman I can see nothing positive about the burka as it dehumanises the wearer (making them invisible) and should muslims eventually become the majority (which is likely at the rate they reproduce), then this offensive item will become a very divisive issue in the community.

[Shazza and Dazza]

Shazza and Dazza wrote:

<quoted text>spot on mate

who the hell are you!! stop using this name...

[Shazza and Dazza]

Shazza and Dazza wrote:

<quoted text>who the hell are you!! stop using this name...

What do you mean?

[IOL]

Kelantan is the Malaysian equivalent of a redneck state. Kind of similar to Queensland.
Malaysia, in my personal experience, is quite moderate and secular. There may be some Islamist clerics and politicians, but most Malaysians tend to ignore their radical views.
Style of clothing is a fundamental right everyone is entitled to. I don't like the Burka as I said, and I don't like Turbans, King Gees, flannelette shirts and ugly beanies either. In fact, Australian bogan fashion sense digusts me. But I can't force others to stop wearing it merely because it offends me.
If the Burka is repressive, so is the culture that forces women to wear makeup to look good but not men, and forces women to wear uncomfortable high heels to work but not men and everything else Germaine Greer might say etc. As you can see, it's a slippery slope. Cultural relativism is above the cerebral capacity of the average bogan CWT Australian.
Australia is not Anglos'. Anyone should be free to wear anything they want anywhere. That said, I hate the Burka and I hope women would stop wearing it.