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A new study of Indigenous Australian DNA suggests there was some form of migration from India to Australia about 4,000 years ago.

Aboriginal people first inhabited Australia about 40,000 years ago and researchers had previously thought them to be isolated from the rest of the world for thousands of years.

A German study may change that assumption after it analysed about 1 million genetic markers in Indigenous Australians and compared the patterns of variation to other populations.

Doctor Mark Stoneking, from the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology, and a team of researchers found the first signs of Indian influence coincided with a time of significant developments to the way Aboriginal communities lived.

Dr Stoneking says there are two explanations for the Indian DNA link.

"It could have been by people actually moving, physically travelling from India directly to Australia, or their genetic material could have moved in terms of contact between India and neighbouring populations who then had contact with other neighbour populations and eventually, there would have been contact with Australia," he told PM.
Audio: Study shows Indian link to Australia (PM)

The study shows the earliest Indian link occurred about 4,000 years ago during a time when dingoes first appeared in the fossil record and Aboriginal communities changed the way they sourced and prepared food.

"The date that we get for when this gene flow from India occurs - roughly around 4,000 years ago - does coincide remarkably well with the first appearance of microliths - the small stone tool technology - in the archaeological record for Australia and with the first appearance of the dingo," Dr Stoneking said.

"It does at least raise the suggestion that all of these events might all be connected."
Suggestive timing

Professor Alan Cooper, from the University of Adelaide's Centre for Ancient DNA, says the Indian influence may well have played a role in the development of the Aboriginal culture.

He says it is impossible to ignore the link with the discovery of the dingo.

"The timing of all those things in the archaeological record, about 4,000 to 5,000 years ago, happens to match the timing estimated for this genetic influx from India," he said.

"The timing is similar enough that it's now got us wondering whether the two are connected. Certainly the timing is pretty suggestive."

Professor Cooper also points to another development that happened around the time of this Indian connection - a big expansion of one of the Aboriginal language groups.

"This other language seems to have taken over Australia relatively recently - perhaps 5,000 years ago," he said.

"And how it did it, how it replaced the other ancient languages, we don't know.

"So suddenly, 4,000 to 5,000 years ago is starting to become a fairly tumultuous time in Australian history."

Dr Stoneking says it has taken a while for the Indian influence to be discovered because Indigenous Australians have been hesitant to participate in these kinds of genetic studies.

"Based on their previous treatment at the hands of Europeans, the Australian groups have been rather suspicious of what the purpose of these studies are and what they might show," he said.

Professor Cooper agrees and says there is still so much more to learn about the history of Indigenous Australians.

"We know so little about Australian human legacy, and yet it's perhaps one of the longest continuous occupations of any human cultural group in the world," he said.

"It's one of the most rich and challenging stories in human history, and we know almost nothing about it, as this study has shown."

The study will be published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-01-15/researc...
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Maybe correct but the aboriginies kicked their arse out and sent them home.
Rakesh

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That article shows that Indians have more right to Australia than the europeans themselves who came here 200 years ago.
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That article shows that Indians have more right to Australia than the europeans themselves who came here 200 years ago.
Sure the form of migration from India to Australia about 4,000 years ago wasn't as dingos.

Nothing seems to have changed since.
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BS!

Abos are the descendants of the Sri Lankan people.

And when they came here there were people here before them i.e. the Papuans ancestors.

Abos werent here first.
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Abos are the descendants of the Sri Lankan people.
And when they came here there were people here before them i.e. the Papuans ancestors.
Abos werent here first.
nice try but that doesnt mean anything. abos or indians as we have now discovered have a hundred times more right to australia than you and other europeans ever will.
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nice try but that doesnt mean anything. abos or indians as we have now discovered have a hundred times more right to australia than you and other europeans ever will.
Rake.. Shhh.. They just abuse the ''Right'' to australia .. Im not saying white people don't. But when you look at most of the riots cause by race gangs like some indians its pretty clear why they shouldnt be aloud to live here
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Rake.. Shhh.. They just abuse the ''Right'' to australia .. Im not saying white people don't. But when you look at most of the riots cause by race gangs like some indians its pretty clear why they shouldnt be aloud to live here
the race gangs and cronulla riots are by the lebanese arab people. not indians.
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Rakesh wrote:
That article shows that Indians have more right to Australia than the europeans themselves who came here 200 years ago.
Do you silly indians think anything is going to change because someone comes up with some interesting but totally irrelevant research, you had 4,000 years to occupy australia but couldn't manage it, bit late now.

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That article shows that Indians have more right to Australia than the europeans themselves who came here 200 years ago.
The people who are born and grow up here without knowing another home are the ones that have all the right, migrating breeders have no right.
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nice try but that doesnt mean anything. abos or indians as we have now discovered have a hundred times more right to australia than you and other europeans ever will.
Well come and take it then
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Abos are the descendants of the Sri Lankan people.
And when they came here there were people here before them i.e. the Papuans ancestors.
Abos werent here first.
Sri Lankans are pretty dark but they aren't related. The German study links aboriginal DNA with tribal peoples in India and Sri Lanka.

These tribals are the remnent of the first migrants out of Africa who spread into oceania and even South America. The irony was the melanesian type was the first to enter Australia PNG and developed seafaring to South america. Unfortunately they were wiped out. First the aborigines murdered them (Mungo man) in Australia, the Moari canabalised them in New Zealand and finalyl the american Indians wiped them out. Actually the mongoloid American Indians also wiped out Clovis man who were Europeans who co-occupied America with the melanesians.

The reality is the aborigines, Moari and American Indians committed the world's first genocide.

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<quoted text>Sri Lankans are pretty dark but they aren't related. The German study links aboriginal DNA with tribal peoples in India and Sri Lanka.

These tribals are the remnent of the first migrants out of Africa who spread into oceania and even South America. The irony was the melanesian type was the first to enter Australia PNG and developed seafaring to South america. Unfortunately they were wiped out. First the aborigines murdered them (Mungo man) in Australia, the Moari canabalised them in New Zealand and finalyl the american Indians wiped them out. Actually the mongoloid American Indians also wiped out Clovis man who were Europeans who co-occupied America with the melanesians.

The reality is the aborigines, Moari and American Indians committed the world's first genocide.
Haha how very un-PC of you Elias
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Haha how very un-PC of you Elias
It's the awful truth. When Colombus arrived in America he actually witnessed the final slaughter of dark skinned peoples on the coast of Mexico by a tribe called the Carib. They plundered the islands of the mexican coast eating the men and abducting the women. He named the islands after the Carib...Carribean.
http://www.persee.fr/web/revues/home/prescrip...

Moari
http://www.stuff.co.nz/archived-stuff-section...

Aborigines
http://www.convictcreations.com/aborigines/pr...

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<quoted text>It's the awful truth. When Colombus arrived in America he actually witnessed the final slaughter of dark skinned peoples on the coast of Mexico by a tribe called the Carib. They plundered the islands of the mexican coast eating the men and abducting the women. He named the islands after the Carib...Carribean.
http://www.persee.fr/web/revues/home/prescrip...

Moari
http://www.stuff.co.nz/archived-stuff-section...

Aborigines
http://www.convictcreations.com/aborigines/pr...
Interesting, thanks for the links.
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nice try but that doesnt mean anything. abos or indians as we have now discovered have a hundred times more right to australia than you and other europeans ever will.
Our right to OUR country comes from the fact we BUILT this country.

It was our people who pioneered this country by cutting their way through rock, mountain and arid bushland.

It was OUR people who fought and died for this country not you fckin wobble-n!g-g@rs from "sh!t in the street" land.

You filthy subhuman slimeballs havent got any right whatsoever to OUR country.

We dont even have to have you here if we dont want. We can just start shooting you cvnts on the street.
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Rakesh and other Indian supporters
Firstly, Australia is the way it is,( not a third world hovel) because of the white immigration.
So the aboriginies have had 40,000 years, and apparently indians have had 4,000 years to develop Australia and all you seem responsible for is the dingos. What an achievement!!
Let's assume for a minute that the DNA link is true.
You would still be eating witchety grubs and wearing sardine can shoes because of your lack of progression, clearly shown by the state India is in.
So once again, feel free to thank the white man for the beautiful country you should feel privileged to live in
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Rakesh and other Indian supporters
Firstly, Australia is the way it is,( not a third world hovel) because of the white immigration.
So the aboriginies have had 40,000 years, and apparently indians have had 4,000 years to develop Australia and all you seem responsible for is the dingos. What an achievement!!
Let's assume for a minute that the DNA link is true.
You would still be eating witchety grubs and wearing sardine can shoes because of your lack of progression, clearly shown by the state India is in.
So once again, feel free to thank the white man for the beautiful country you should feel privileged to live in
What does making a beautiful land have to do with anything that I said? Tomorrow if I come to your house, murder you and your family and then renovate and make your house more beautiful than it is right now....it still doesn't mean what I'm doing is right. Europeans make great liveable countries. Good for you. Do that in Europe which is your land. Dont take over other peoples lands and impose your superiority in construction.Get it?
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What does making a beautiful land have to do with anything that I said? Tomorrow if I come to your house, murder you and your family and then renovate and make your house more beautiful than it is right now....it still doesn't mean what I'm doing is right. Europeans make great liveable countries. Good for you. Do that in Europe which is your land. Dont take over other peoples lands and impose your superiority in construction.Get it?
I read recently that the space shuttle astronauts could actually smell india in space while orbiting the earth.
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A new study of Indigenous Australian DNA suggests there was some form of migration from India to Australia about 4,000 years ago.
Aboriginal people first inhabited Australia about 40,000 years ago and researchers had previously thought them to be isolated from the rest of the world for thousands of years.
A German study may change that assumption after it analysed about 1 million genetic markers in Indigenous Australians and compared the patterns of variation to other populations.
Doctor Mark Stoneking, from the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology, and a team of researchers found the first signs of Indian influence coincided with a time of significant developments to the way Aboriginal communities lived.
Dr Stoneking says there are two explanations for the Indian DNA link.
"It could have been by people actually moving, physically travelling from India directly to Australia, or their genetic material could have moved in terms of contact between India and neighbouring populations who then had contact with other neighbour populations and eventually, there would have been contact with Australia," he told PM.
Audio: Study shows Indian link to Australia (PM
The study shows the earliest Indian link occurred about 4,000 years ago during a time when dingoes first appeared in the fossil record and Aboriginal communities changed the way they sourced and prepared food.
"The date that we get for when this gene flow from India occurs - roughly around 4,000 years ago - does coincide remarkably well with the first appearance of microliths - the small stone tool technology - in the archaeological record for Australia and with the first appearance of the dingo," Dr Stoneking said.
"It does at least raise the suggestion that all of these events might all be connected."
Suggestive timing
Professor Alan Cooper, from the University of Adelaide's Centre for Ancient DNA, says the Indian influence may well have played a role in the development of the Aboriginal culture.
He says it is impossible to ignore the link with the discovery of the dingo.
"The timing of all those things in the archaeological record, about 4,000 to 5,000 years ago, happens to match the timing estimated for this genetic influx from India," he said.
"The timing is similar enough that it's now got us wondering whether the two are connected. Certainly the timing is pretty suggestive."
Professor Cooper also points to another development that happened around the time of this Indian connection - a big expansion of one of the Aboriginal language groups.
"This other language seems to have taken over Australia relatively recently - perhaps 5,000 years ago," he said.
"And how it did it, how it replaced the other ancient languages, we don't know.
"So suddenly, 4,000 to 5,000 years ago is starting to become a fairly tumultuous time in Australian history."
Dr Stoneking says it has taken a while for the Indian influence to be discovered because Indigenous Australians have been hesitant to participate in these kinds of genetic studies.
"Based on their previous treatment at the hands of Europeans, the Australian groups have been rather suspicious of what the purpose of these studies are and what they might show," he said.
Professor Cooper agrees and says there is still so much more to learn about the history of Indigenous Australians.
"We know so little about Australian human legacy, and yet it's perhaps one of the longest continuous occupations of any human cultural group in the world," he said.
"It's one of the most rich and challenging stories in human history, and we know almost nothing about it, as this study has shown."
The study will be published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-01-15/researc...
I kinda explains why the Abos like to poo everywhere!

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