Aussie's "soldiers" the laughing stock of the world

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Jack

Maple Ridge, Canada

#1 May 26, 2008
Ashamed to wear uniform
Jonathan Pearlman Defence Correspondent
May 27, 2008

"Institutional cowardice" Major Jim Hammett.
Photo: Australian Defence Force

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LOW-RISK missions assigned to the infantry in conflicts such as Iraq and Afghanistan have left soldiers "ashamed of wearing their Australian uniform" and made them a laughing stock among allies, say two senior officers who have spoken out against the Government and their military chiefs.

The officers, writing separately in the Australian Army Journal, say giving all potentially offensive actions to Australia's special forces, including the SAS, has weakened morale and prompted many soldiers to question the future of the infantry.

"In the opinion of many infantrymen, the lauding of their contributions to recent operations does not ring true," writes Major Jim Hammett, who has served in East Timor, Iraq, Somalia and Tonga. "Many within its ranks suspect that the role of the infantry has already been consigned to history The ongoing inaction [in Iraq] has resulted in collective disdain and at times near contempt by personnel from other contributing nations for the publicity-shrouded yet force-protected Australian troops."

Major Hammett says the infantry has not been assigned offensive actions since the Vietnam War despite steady overseas deployments since 2001, and disillusionment has caused some soldiers to leave the military. Citing interviews with veterans from Iraq, he writes: "The restrictions placed on deployed elements as a result of force protection and national policies have, at times, made infantrymen ashamed of wearing their Australian uniform and regimental badge [They] have resulted in the widespread perception that our army is plagued by institutional cowardice."

In a separate article, Captain Greg Colton explain the second class status of Australia's marginal military contribution to America's wars.
Dr Edward Carlier

Australia

#2 May 26, 2008
we have a bigger war at home dikhead ! fighting the pathetic aboriginals who steal and bash the elderly ! you have your head stuck up your ass JACKIE ! bout time you lived in the real world your poor excuse for a living organism !
Aussie Avenger

Adelaide, Australia

#4 May 26, 2008
Dr Dickhead wrote:
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Another racist cowardly in-bred, dole bludging incesteius Anglo trash idiot ranting pathetic drivel. Face it you losers have no place left. Australia belongs to the Asians and Aboriginals. All you cowardly racists can do is blog your frustrations.LOL.
Canada belongs to the native Canadians. GET OUT and go back to wonderful Greece. Walk the talk.
dee

Sydney, Australia

#5 May 26, 2008
Dr Dickhead wrote:
<quoted text>
Another racist cowardly in-bred, dole bludging incesteius Anglo trash idiot ranting pathetic drivel. Face it you losers have no place left. Australia belongs to the Asians and Aboriginals. All you cowardly racists can do is blog your frustrations.LOL.
Any bets on how long it will take before it's banned again? Pathetic.
Bob

Brisbane, Australia

#6 May 26, 2008
Dr Dickhead wrote:
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Another racist cowardly in-bred, dole bludging incesteius Anglo trash idiot ranting pathetic drivel. Face it you losers have no place left. Australia belongs to the Asians and Aboriginals. All you cowardly racists can do is blog your frustrations.LOL.
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Rick

Australia

#7 May 29, 2008
yeah jack sprat ! WAKE UP and smell the coffee ! moron

“I Didn't Hit You”

Since: May 08

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#8 May 29, 2008
dee wrote:
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Any bets on how long it will take before it's banned again? Pathetic.
I think it might be getting close.

“Ride Hard Die Free”

Since: May 08

bullet-proof tiger

#9 May 30, 2008
Jack wrote:
Ashamed to wear uniform
Jonathan Pearlman Defence Correspondent
May 27, 2008
"Institutional cowardice" Major Jim Hammett.
Photo: Australian Defence Force
Advertisement
LOW-RISK missions assigned to the infantry in conflicts such as Iraq and Afghanistan have left soldiers "ashamed of wearing their Australian uniform" and made them a laughing stock among allies, say two senior officers who have spoken out against the Government and their military chiefs.
The officers, writing separately in the Australian Army Journal, say giving all potentially offensive actions to Australia's special forces, including the SAS, has weakened morale and prompted many soldiers to question the future of the infantry.
"In the opinion of many infantrymen, the lauding of their contributions to recent operations does not ring true," writes Major Jim Hammett, who has served in East Timor, Iraq, Somalia and Tonga. "Many within its ranks suspect that the role of the infantry has already been consigned to history The ongoing inaction [in Iraq] has resulted in collective disdain and at times near contempt by personnel from other contributing nations for the publicity-shrouded yet force-protected Australian troops."
Major Hammett says the infantry has not been assigned offensive actions since the Vietnam War despite steady overseas deployments since 2001, and disillusionment has caused some soldiers to leave the military. Citing interviews with veterans from Iraq, he writes: "The restrictions placed on deployed elements as a result of force protection and national policies have, at times, made infantrymen ashamed of wearing their Australian uniform and regimental badge [They] have resulted in the widespread perception that our army is plagued by institutional cowardice."
In a separate article, Captain Greg Colton explain the second class status of Australia's marginal military contribution to America's wars.
Our army makes yours look like a buch of girls, as history shows quite clearly.
Elephantitis of the balls

Australia

#10 May 31, 2008
So what? Army is army. They are all brain washed to die for other people's wealth. Does Canada even have an army or are there too many career criminals to give them firearms? Since it has the highest crime rate in the western world and all that.
George Karmios

Nicosia, Cyprus

#12 May 31, 2008
Jackass from Vancouver, B.C. so Aussie soldiers are the laughing stock of the world!
From your numerous texts under different identities it seems you have a constant go at the Anglos. Well that's O.K. with me as any individual in the civilized world is entitled to her/his opinion or belief. But the problem with you is one of inferiority complex and your attitude indicates that you suffer of civilizationphoebia.
Now regarding the Aussie soldiers, let me address a page from recent history: in the 1967 six day war Israel totally annihilated the Syrian, Egyptian, Jordanian armed forces, the ration being ONE Israel soldier to SEVENTY FIVE.

“Ride Hard Die Free”

Since: May 08

bullet-proof tiger

#13 May 31, 2008
George Karmios wrote:
Jackass from Vancouver, B.C. so Aussie soldiers are the laughing stock of the world!
From your numerous texts under different identities it seems you have a constant go at the Anglos. Well that's O.K. with me as any individual in the civilized world is entitled to her/his opinion or belief. But the problem with you is one of inferiority complex and your attitude indicates that you suffer of civilizationphoebia.
Now regarding the Aussie soldiers, let me address a page from recent history: in the 1967 six day war Israel totally annihilated the Syrian, Egyptian, Jordanian armed forces, the ration being ONE Israel soldier to SEVENTY FIVE.
Thats very impressive. Do you know what advantage they had?
Now I have to know.
George Karmios

Nicosia, Cyprus

#14 Jun 1, 2008
For Superior Aussie, there was no factor of advantage. Israel used U.S. arms and the Arabs Soviet arms.
A side joke for your keeps - a man goes to an auction where two brains are displayed, one brain Arabic and the other Jewish. On the Arab brain the tag is $1 million whereas the Jewish brain $1. Amazed, the puzzled guy asks why the Jews who are considered to be smart and the Arabs dumb, and yet such a price range. The auctioneer says the Israeli brain is $1 because it has been overused. On the other hand the Arab brain is brand new - never used before.
Hope you have enjoyed!
Elephantitis of the balls

Australia

#15 Jun 1, 2008
George Karmios wrote:
For Superior Aussie, there was no factor of advantage. Israel used U.S. arms and the Arabs Soviet arms.
A side joke for your keeps - a man goes to an auction where two brains are displayed, one brain Arabic and the other Jewish. On the Arab brain the tag is $1 million whereas the Jewish brain $1. Amazed, the puzzled guy asks why the Jews who are considered to be smart and the Arabs dumb, and yet such a price range. The auctioneer says the Israeli brain is $1 because it has been overused. On the other hand the Arab brain is brand new - never used before.
Hope you have enjoyed!
Lets keep in mind that auctioned human brains would probably only be found at an arab market.
Bill

Port Macquarie, Australia

#16 Jun 6, 2008
As an American currently living in Sydney Australia I would probably place the Australian army at the same level as a group of girl scouts. I dont know how this country can properly defend itself with such a cowardly take on the War On Terror. Its this same type of cowardness that let Hitler stop all over Europe until the USA came in to save the day.

“I Didn't Hit You”

Since: May 08

Location hidden

#17 Jun 6, 2008
Bill wrote:
As an American currently living in Sydney Australia I would probably place the Australian army at the same level as a group of girl scouts. I dont know how this country can properly defend itself with such a cowardly take on the War On Terror. Its this same type of cowardness that let Hitler stop all over Europe until the USA came in to save the day.
Gee, I thought a few other countries 'helped' the U.S.'save' the day. What do you think of the U.S.A's 'cowardly' take on the War on Terror?
ngali

Bangkok, Thailand

#18 Jun 6, 2008
I can well imagine it's frustrating to be trained to fight and then be utilised in a different way.
Even so, it's disappointing that Australian soldiers feel they need to answer to other nations about the way in which they're used.

The ANZAC experience was one that simultaneously built a national consciousness and perhaps gave a template for Australian leaders on how the lives of the country's soldiers were expended.

Australian soldiers were always well recognised and respected as being smart fighters, who wouldn't charge in to be slaughtered, but would make their numbers count.

The Australian people, I hope, are not so blase about human life that they can rationalise away the loss of life in wars not our own.
high rises on the range

Australia

#19 Jun 6, 2008
This story was interesting because it was generated by the Australian Army itself. Just as they pack up to pull out of Iraq. "It wasn't us...we didn't do it!" lol
chee chee baiter

Santa Clara, CA

#20 Jun 6, 2008
cowards

“I Didn't Hit You”

Since: May 08

Location hidden

#21 Jun 7, 2008
chee chee baiter wrote:
cowards
Antagonist.
Fra

Gold Coast, Australia

#22 Jul 31, 2008
ngali wrote:
I can well imagine it's frustrating to be trained to fight and then be utilised in a different way.
Even so, it's disappointing that Australian soldiers feel they need to answer to other nations about the way in which they're used.
The ANZAC experience was one that simultaneously built a national consciousness and perhaps gave a template for Australian leaders on how the lives of the country's soldiers were expended.
Australian soldiers were always well recognised and respected as being smart fighters, who wouldn't charge in to be slaughtered, but would make their numbers count.
The Australian people, I hope, are not so blase about human life that they can rationalise away the loss of life in wars not our own.
i agree, war is so wasteful and human life should mean more to us.

also, talking about Aussie soldiers, i'm doing an assignment on what other countries think of them. Not just present time, but also in WW1 and WW2. What do you all think of what they did?

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