False economy crippling Australia.

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“REFUSE ALL IMITATIONS!!”

Since: Jan 11

Australia

#1 Jul 12, 2013
This is an idea I'm only beginning to pull into focus and it probably needs refining.

I'm open to comment, if it's constructive.

To me it seems that those twiddling Australia's financial dials have got their priorities wrong.

Here we are sending billions of dollars overseas as aid, for which we get no credit.

Meanwhile we hire hoards of transient immigrants as cheap labour that puts thousands of Australians on the dole queue.

Through no fault of their own they get paid from the public purse to do nothing. The money we save on cheap labour we spend instead on bailing out those whom we've put on the dole. Breaking even?

Perhaps it's time to rein in overseas aid for which we only get stung. Instead keep that money onshore to re-employ out-of-work Australians at Australian wages.

After all, they in turn will recirculate that money within Australia as they can resume life as consumers.

Instead of hemorrhaging money in all directions Australia should keep our money circulating productively within our borders to stimulate our faltering standard of living.

In all likelihood we would be no worse off collectively, and may well be better off.

Time to push the economic 'Reset' button?
this is it

Australia

#3 Jul 12, 2013
What is crippling Australia are the bunch of low life convicts running it as if it is a cartel; director of this director of that; minister for this minister for that; they are no more than low life corrupt,pedophile, racist, prejudiced, mafiosi, running their own filthy agendas, and the mt*r f*rs stick to each other in a way that makes the godfather look like a convent nun.

“REFUSE ALL IMITATIONS!!”

Since: Jan 11

Australia

#4 Jul 12, 2013
this is it wrote:
What is crippling Australia are the bunch of low life convicts running it as if it is a cartel; director of this director of that; minister for this minister for that; they are no more than low life corrupt,pedophile, racist, prejudiced, mafiosi, running their own filthy agendas, and the mt*r f*rs stick to each other in a way that makes the godfather look like a convent nun.
Yes, that is a further element undoubtedly. Perhaps it's time to push another 'Reset' button of another kind as well.:)
Foo

Australia

#5 Jul 12, 2013
There is too much institutionalized corruption. Any government that's elected , state or federal , inherits the same institutionalised corrupt system thats been in place forever.....it's called "the public service".......(lol)..... .it's a carbon copy of "Yes ,Mininster".....any elected government gets certain parameters that they have to work within , and they have been determined by "the public service" over many many many years. They are not illegal per se , because laws have been stealthily put in place to make the power of "the public service almost untouchable. I live for the day when any government , state or federal , summons up enough guts to take the public service head on over this long standing systemic problem. The shear size of the budget thats needed to finance "the public service" makes every other issue pale into minute insignificance.....Australia has a multi-trillion dollar economy , where has it all been going for the last 50 years ?
Mohammed FOO

Brisbane, Australia

#6 Jul 12, 2013
Brother FOO you are not an expert on Gov. Policy. Take my advise my brother and get help from the Great Allah.
this is it

Australia

#7 Jul 12, 2013
The ADELAIDEAN wrote:
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Yes, that is a further element undoubtedly. Perhaps it's time to push another 'Reset' button of another kind as well.:)
The reset button is people like Assange and Snowden, this are the alternative to the current cartels that have taken a stronghold of government institutions; yet; Assange being 100% Australian hardly gets any support from us; hard to believe that schappelle Corby gets more smpaty and support than him; as Australians, we should all be demanding that these vultures set him free; also incredible that a small country like Ecuador has had the"BALLS" to grant him asylum regardless of the pommy vultures, and Australians are too scared to upset their masters.

“REFUSE ALL IMITATIONS!!”

Since: Jan 11

Australia

#8 Jul 12, 2013
this is it wrote:
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The reset button is people like Assange and Snowden, this are the alternative to the current cartels that have taken a stronghold of government institutions; yet; Assange being 100% Australian hardly gets any support from us; hard to believe that schappelle Corby gets more smpaty and support than him; as Australians, we should all be demanding that these vultures set him free; also incredible that a small country like Ecuador has had the"BALLS" to grant him asylum regardless of the pommy vultures, and Australians are too scared to upset their masters.
I accept the points you make. The next question might be:

Can the layers of corruption that you identify be 'Reset' in isolation from the economy per se, or are the two too interwoven?
truth

Perth, Australia

#9 Jul 12, 2013
trillions economy
1 trillion super
you can't asked your money even for your health..you will be beaten and put in prison or mental institution..if you asked for your rights..its already happen..

law is not law..

Find out about what?
parallel financial center which your corupt organization with nice diploma support..
Are you for sure I am wrong?

evil is always evil..in corupt law chair is evil..
byyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy yyyyyyy
Snoozer 10

Malvern, Australia

#10 Jul 13, 2013
The ADELAIDEAN wrote:
This is an idea I'm only beginning to pull into focus and it probably needs refining.
I'm open to comment, if it's constructive.
To me it seems that those twiddling Australia's financial dials have got their priorities wrong.
Here we are sending billions of dollars overseas as aid, for which we get no credit.
Meanwhile we hire hoards of transient immigrants as cheap labour that puts thousands of Australians on the dole queue.
Through no fault of their own they get paid from the public purse to do nothing. The money we save on cheap labour we spend instead on bailing out those whom we've put on the dole. Breaking even?
Perhaps it's time to rein in overseas aid for which we only get stung. Instead keep that money onshore to re-employ out-of-work Australians at Australian wages.
After all, they in turn will recirculate that money within Australia as they can resume life as consumers.
Instead of hemorrhaging money in all directions Australia should keep our money circulating productively within our borders to stimulate our faltering standard of living.
In all likelihood we would be no worse off collectively, and may well be better off.
Time to push the economic 'Reset' button?
For f*ck sake what are you talking about, what cheap labour? Who is saving money on cheap labour? Not the federal government who pay new start and other entitlements for people out of work but seeking employment.

One thing that we Australians should be proud of is that we do not have an underclass working for low wages like indentures slaves. Thankfully most Australians are fair minded and believe in fair pay for a days work.

Also what on earth does foreign aid have to do with that!!! For a start the aid budget is not that big, it is targeted so Australia does get credit for it and often Australian companies get contract with foreign aid grants.

What if your thoughts on NGO’s getting donations in Australia and spending money on overseas aid or the local Rotary club building a school room in Timor, do you object to that also?
Foo

Brisbane, Australia

#11 Jul 13, 2013
Snoozer 10 wrote:
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For f*ck sake what are you talking about, what cheap labour? Who is saving money on cheap labour? Not the federal government who pay new start and other entitlements for people out of work but seeking employment.
One thing that we Australians should be proud of is that we do not have an underclass working for low wages like indentures slaves. Thankfully most Australians are fair minded and believe in fair pay for a days work.
Also what on earth does foreign aid have to do with that!!! For a start the aid budget is not that big, it is targeted so Australia does get credit for it and often Australian companies get contract with foreign aid grants.
What if your thoughts on NGO’s getting donations in Australia and spending money on overseas aid or the local Rotary club building a school room in Timor, do you object to that also?
Good perspective Snoozer.....I couldn't make sense of the post either , or what point it was supposed to make.
HighChair

Brisbane, Australia

#12 Jul 14, 2013
Foo wrote:
There is too much institutionalized corruption. Any government that's elected , state or federal , inherits the same institutionalised corrupt system thats been in place forever.....it's called "the public service".......(lol)..... .it's a carbon copy of "Yes ,Mininster".....any elected government gets certain parameters that they have to work within , and they have been determined by "the public service" over many many many years. They are not illegal per se , because laws have been stealthily put in place to make the power of "the public service almost untouchable. I live for the day when any government , state or federal , summons up enough guts to take the public service head on over this long standing systemic problem. The shear size of the budget thats needed to finance "the public service" makes every other issue pale into minute insignificance.....Australia has a multi-trillion dollar economy , where has it all been going for the last 50 years ?
The answer to this question is WELFARE! Last count 825 000 disability pensioners living of tax payers money. These bludging lazy mongrels do not have to look for work! There are some genuine invalid pensioners maybe 200 000-300 000 with genuine health problems with prevent them from finding work! The other 500 000-600 000 are just useless drug addicts that don't want to find work.

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#13 Jul 14, 2013
Yes Adelaidean, this insight you have is nothing new, you'll find people trained in economics say how at least 90% of economic activity in Western countries is useless since manufacturing and other necessary industries went offshore. The remaining activities for example, gambling, pulling beers at the pub, mobile mortgage broking, mobile dog washer, pie shop attendant, lawyers, vast armies of accountants and so on, we could easily do without or at least significantly trim. Obviously, the market Economists that make a living from this redundant economic system cannot afford to go against this same system by pointing out the wrong turn our economy took by off shoring the useful productive industries and replacing them with so many useless services on such a gigantic scale, facilitating the sale of so many useless imported products. So don't expect economists writing in Newspapers, magazines or on television to express this truth.

The name for this type of economy is the “consumer economy”.

That others on this thread don't understand the obvious, only demonstrating George Orwell's depiction of an old man who represented the Proles in his novel “1984”. Winston asked an elderly prole, whether there was more freedom before Big Brother came to power? The old man simply could not comprehend such an inquiry, his whole life focus being on petty, small minded matters as the proles were.

“They remembered a million useless things, a quarrel with a workmate, a hunt for a lost bicycle pump, the expression on a long-dead sister's face, the swirls of dust on a windy morning seventy years ago: but all the relevant facts were outside the range of their vision.“

“They were like the ant, which can see small objects but not large ones.”

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#14 Jul 14, 2013
Australian Republic wrote:
Yes Adelaidean, this insight you have is nothing new, you'll find people trained in economics say how at least 90% of economic activity in Western countries is useless since manufacturing and other necessary industries went offshore. The remaining activities for example, gambling, pulling beers at the pub, mobile mortgage broking, mobile dog washer, pie shop attendant, lawyers, vast armies of accountants and so on, we could easily do without or at least significantly trim. Obviously, the market Economists that make a living from this redundant economic system cannot afford to go against this same system by pointing out the wrong turn our economy took by off shoring the useful productive industries and replacing them with so many useless services on such a gigantic scale, facilitating the sale of so many useless imported products. So don't expect economists writing in Newspapers, magazines or on television to express this truth.
The name for this type of economy is the “consumer economy”.
That others on this thread don't understand the obvious, only demonstrating George Orwell's depiction of an old man who represented the Proles in his novel “1984”. Winston asked an elderly prole, whether there was more freedom before Big Brother came to power? The old man simply could not comprehend such an inquiry, his whole life focus being on petty, small minded matters as the proles were.
“They remembered a million useless things, a quarrel with a workmate, a hunt for a lost bicycle pump, the expression on a long-dead sister's face, the swirls of dust on a windy morning seventy years ago: but all the relevant facts were outside the range of their vision.“
“They were like the ant, which can see small objects but not large ones.”
You seem to be saying that complacency is a factor. I would have to agree. A measure of blissful unawareness has characterized the average Aussie for generations while we've gotten on with our charmed role as beneficiaries of 'the Lucky Country'. But that happy status has always been more by luck than by design.

Since the era when that complacency was doing no great harm much has changed in the surrounding world. No longer can we take our privilege for granted. Now we have to actually knuckle down and 'do our homework' like never before.

Hopefully that new message will be taken to heart widely enough among us while there is still time.
Foo

Nambour, Australia

#15 Jul 14, 2013
Some silly comments above.....(lol).... I have a clear message for all the right wingnuts that have no belief or positive thought that Australia is more than capable of reinvigorating it's manufacturing sector in the coming years....GET OUT OF THE WAY - THE REAL PEOPLE HAVE WORK TO DO !!!!!.....just go sit in the corner ,and whinge amoungst yourselves until your sky falls in....(lol)....there will always be enough people in Australia willing to roll their sleeves up and get stuck in.....and there will also be those who don't have the balls to even try....
truth

Perth, Australia

#16 Jul 14, 2013
Why you need job just pay tax or petrol?
Is that job or joke?
Did you need police country for that or circus political system with poor media?
truth

Perth, Australia

#17 Jul 14, 2013
Asia have population

India have population

Muslim country too
between them not others..

trillions per day=production
- pro duct ion
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...
truth

Perth, Australia

#18 Jul 14, 2013
Asked yourself who is racist?..

between them not others..

Asia have big population
India have big population
Muslim country too..

product

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...
John

Perth, Australia

#19 Jul 14, 2013
Anglo-Saxon-Celt wrote:
Ive said it a number of times already; they are taking us down into poverty!!
It's the undemocratic and tyrannical "new establishment" responsible. Creating poverty is the oldest method of oppression known to man.
truth

Perth, Australia

#20 Jul 14, 2013
think not wink

inflation=expensive

more poor more cheep

they will grab your land for nothing
then land is not for sell but for rent..

here near every river up to nt is more expensive
its only option new towns or big city darwin

Since: Jul 12

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#21 Jul 15, 2013
The ADELAIDEAN wrote:
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You seem to be saying that complacency is a factor..... knuckle down and 'do our homework' like never before.
Hopefully that new message will be taken to heart widely enough among us while there is still time.
The dirty secret economists know is productive capacity in the modern era can only be described in superlative terms, stupendous productive capacity! Still Economists dare not speak about over capacity and stick to their ancient economic models of “scarcity” from the past millennium.

Don't blame the economists, because what stops us realising the utopia of leisure with sufficient supply for for everyone is, it requires distribution based on need rather than whim.

As in the Soviet Union and Communist China, human nature did not allow for handing over surplus to someone else who needed it. There was a great deal of malnourishment in those States. Human nature will compel us to take that surplus and keep it for ourselves for power and control.

What I am saying is, we've offshore our useful productive industries and there is no shortage of produce but due to human nature, no one will hand over the necessary goods unless we have products as a bargaining chip for exchange. We have built ourselves into a position of subservience and a dangerous one at that.

We have these choices:
a. SELF SUFFICIENCY but we'll have to protect our industry and pay more, this requires reforming our human nature to bare the burden of higher costs and lower standard of living for long term sustainability.
b. ALTRUISM by reforming human nature globally and everyone becomes their “Brother's Keeper”(can you imagine).
c. INTERDEPENDANCY design and engineer a global economic system where Nations cannot achieve sustainability on their own and are obliged to cooperate with each other for the sake of their self interest. This model if your not careful leads to war as other Nations distrust each other eg. USA and China so, they seek to break the web of interdependence by war. So, reforming human nature is required again!

All these Options in the modern era suffer the threat posed by our human nature. We need to face our nature before it's too late?

A strategy to deal with the human nature of employees by motivating workers and management could be profit sharing and employee ownership of business. The Cooperative model of a community based enterprise similar to Fletcher Jones based in Warrnambool a successful business until the Labor Government's hasty tariff reduction ambushed the company into bankruptcy. The Community based business could provide incentive for workers and management with a stake in the community to do the hard yards for their enterprise in the interests of the community, instead of the short sighted big business attitudes focused on short term outsized profits. Community based Cooperatives could effect the needed change in employee attitudes to provide performance and innovation in an environment where big money has unfair influence on government.

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