East Timor - a lesson in why the poor...

East Timor - a lesson in why the poorest threaten the powerful

There are 64 comments on the New Statesman story from Apr 4, 2012, titled East Timor - a lesson in why the poorest threaten the powerful. In it, New Statesman reports that:

The island led to freedom by the militants of Xanana GusmA o and JosA© Ramos-Horta is still seen as a colony by Washington and its local sheriffs, Australia and Indonesia, hungry for resources.

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sid

Chermside, Australia

#45 Apr 6, 2012
Suckaussie wrote:
Nowadays east timor is like shithole.. I can't see a bright future for east timorese.. I feel sorry for them..thanks arsetralia.
East timorese are a proud and strong people, they fought well armed soldiers [so called] with sticks and got slaughtered but never gave up. Your so called brave soldiers slaughtered around 200,000 timorese between 1975 aand 1999.
Here a few things you have forgotten or didn't know about your brave soldiers.

In a mountain village in Occussi every male killed [83], male babies were thrown up into the air and caught on spears or bayonets.
Every woman raped, girls as young a 10 years and old women.
Every house in the village burned down.
Every personal possession stolen, clothes, cooking pots, bowls, tools.
Every pig, goat, cow, chicken either shot or stolen.
Rice crops burned, vegetable gardens totally destroyed.
Dead bodies, dead dogs thrown into the water well.

In Occussi town every house burnt down, all electrical wire, power line, roofing iron, water pipe, tap, window, door stolen.
Power station generators burnt, switchboards smashed and burnt.
Every bicycle, car, motorbike and truck stolen, fishing nets stolen or burnt.
Every boat and canoe stolen.
Catholic nuns rounded up and systematically raped for weeks. Some of these nuns became pregnant and commited suicide rather than bear a child.
Don't talk about your mighty army of rapists and murderers of unarmed adults and children. Your country is an international joke, a nation of liars, cheats, thieves and child murderers. Your army couldn't fight shit.

Since: Apr 11

Roma, QLD

#46 Apr 6, 2012
sid wrote:
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East timorese are a proud and strong people, they fought well armed soldiers [so called] with sticks and got slaughtered but never gave up. Your so called brave soldiers slaughtered around 200,000 timorese between 1975 aand 1999.
Here a few things you have forgotten or didn't know about your brave soldiers.
In a mountain village in Occussi every male killed [83], male babies were thrown up into the air and caught on spears or bayonets.
Every woman raped, girls as young a 10 years and old women.
Every house in the village burned down.
Every personal possession stolen, clothes, cooking pots, bowls, tools.
Every pig, goat, cow, chicken either shot or stolen.
Rice crops burned, vegetable gardens totally destroyed.
Dead bodies, dead dogs thrown into the water well.
In Occussi town every house burnt down, all electrical wire, power line, roofing iron, water pipe, tap, window, door stolen.
Power station generators burnt, switchboards smashed and burnt.
Every bicycle, car, motorbike and truck stolen, fishing nets stolen or burnt.
Every boat and canoe stolen.
Catholic nuns rounded up and systematically raped for weeks. Some of these nuns became pregnant and commited suicide rather than bear a child.
Don't talk about your mighty army of rapists and murderers of unarmed adults and children. Your country is an international joke, a nation of liars, cheats, thieves and child murderers. Your army couldn't fight shit.
Estimates are 500'000 in west papua as well, boggles my mind that our soldiers on the other side of the world in a shithole Muslim desert when there are atrocities being committed on our neighbours.
Suckaussie

United States

#47 Apr 6, 2012
east timor is like a shithole worst than ever and papua new guinea either.. They are the worst in this region.. THANK YOU ARSETRALIA!!!..
sid

Chermside, Australia

#48 Apr 6, 2012
Suckaussie wrote:
east timor is like a shithole worst than ever and papua new guinea either.. They are the worst in this region.. THANK YOU ARSETRALIA!!!..
Be thankful coward that we will never meet because if we did you would remember that day for the rest of your life.
Blunt

Albany Creek, Australia

#49 Apr 6, 2012
Suckaussie wrote:
east timor is like a shithole worst than ever and papua new guinea either.. They are the worst in this region.. THANK YOU ARSETRALIA!!!..
...sounds like you havnt been there suckhead.....go have a look before opening ur mouth with bullshit
Obama

Indonesia

#50 Apr 6, 2012
sid wrote:
<quoted text>
East timorese are a proud and strong people, they fought well armed soldiers [so called] with sticks and got slaughtered but never gave up. Your so called brave soldiers slaughtered around 200,000 timorese between 1975 aand 1999.
Here a few things you have forgotten or didn't know about your brave soldiers.
In a mountain village in Occussi every male killed [83], male babies were thrown up into the air and caught on spears or bayonets.
Every woman raped, girls as young a 10 years and old women.
Every house in the village burned down.
Every personal possession stolen, clothes, cooking pots, bowls, tools.
Every pig, goat, cow, chicken either shot or stolen.
Rice crops burned, vegetable gardens totally destroyed.
Dead bodies, dead dogs thrown into the water well.
In Occussi town every house burnt down, all electrical wire, power line, roofing iron, water pipe, tap, window, door stolen.
Power station generators burnt, switchboards smashed and burnt.
Every bicycle, car, motorbike and truck stolen, fishing nets stolen or burnt.
Every boat and canoe stolen.
Catholic nuns rounded up and systematically raped for weeks. Some of these nuns became pregnant and commited suicide rather than bear a child.
Don't talk about your mighty army of rapists and murderers of unarmed adults and children. Your country is an international joke, a nation of liars, cheats, thieves and child murderers. Your army couldn't fight shit.
Everything you write just a big hoax in exaggerated, for political gain. Already centuries ago until now, white people always want to rule the world. With economic power and the mass media, they always blame the third world countries and Muslim. If you want to be honest how many millions of people dying and suffering from your nation's act since the age of imperialism until the present time?. Crimes of the west and America is not visible because they control the world.
Burnt Turd

Albany Creek, Australia

#51 Apr 6, 2012
Obama wrote:
<quoted text>
Everything you write just a big hoax in exaggerated, for political gain. Already centuries ago until now, white people always want to rule the world. With economic power and the mass media, they always blame the third world countries and Muslim. If you want to be honest how many millions of people dying and suffering from your nation's act since the age of imperialism until the present time?. Crimes of the west and America is not visible because they control the world.
Get a grip on history bud ,the rising economies today are in Asia and the West. Who has profited because of oil in the middle -east apart from some shieks wearing dresses ? I think the people have been cheated , because their lives have not improved at all for thousands of years . Blame your own people thanks..
Obama

Indonesia

#52 Apr 6, 2012
Australian Bigot wrote:
<quoted text>
Estimates are 500'000 in west papua as well, boggles my mind that our soldiers on the other side of the world in a shithole Muslim desert when there are atrocities being committed on our neighbours.
How millions of aborigin peoples have been killed since the arrival of the white peoples from the past until now. You have destroyed aborigin and their culture. Dont pretend to be blind man!!!
Obama

Indonesia

#53 Apr 6, 2012
Burnt Turd wrote:
<quoted text>Get a grip on history bud ,the rising economies today are in Asia and the West. Who has profited because of oil in the middle -east apart from some shieks wearing dresses ? I think the people have been cheated , because their lives have not improved at all for thousands of years . Blame your own people thanks..
They are miserable because of oppression by whites. But this is not the economic issues but issues of human rights. Crime of human rights only apply to developing countries, but does not apply to the Americas, Australia and its allies. If there is violence in Indonesia, you shout, but you said nothing when violence is committed by Australia to aborigins

Since: Apr 11

Roma, QLD

#54 Apr 6, 2012
Obama wrote:
<quoted text>Everything you write just a big hoax in exaggerated, for political gain. Already centuries ago until now, white people always want to rule the world. With economic power and the mass media, they always blame the third world countries and Muslim. If you want to be honest how many millions of people dying and suffering from your nation's act since the age of imperialism until the present time?. Crimes of the west and America is not visible because they control the world.
Australia isn't imperialistic, Indonesia on the other hand is, the west has its problems, but seeing as though us Aussies are technically not in the west we should start flexing a bit of muscle around our local neighbour hood to keep expansionists in line.

Since: Apr 11

Roma, QLD

#55 Apr 6, 2012
Obama wrote:
<quoted text>How millions of aborigin peoples have been killed since the arrival of the white peoples from the past until now. You have destroyed aborigin and their culture. Dont pretend to be blind man!!!
We're not talking about Aborigines do I'm not being blind man!, just because some whites killed black people doesn't give the Indonesians the right to invade and kill whoever they want, stay on topic.
Obama

Indonesia

#56 Apr 6, 2012
Australian Bigot wrote:
<quoted text>
Australia isn't imperialistic, Indonesia on the other hand is, the west has its problems, but seeing as though us Aussies are technically not in the west we should start flexing a bit of muscle around our local neighbour hood to keep expansionists in line.
You Auzie expanded and occupied the land of Aborigin. Your soul still West. Now Auzie colonize its neighbours an indirect.
Dont wash your hands dirty.

Since: Apr 11

Roma, QLD

#57 Apr 6, 2012
Obama wrote:
<quoted text>
You Auzie expanded and occupied the land of Aborigin. Your soul still West. Now Auzie colonize its neighbours an indirect.
Dont wash your hands dirty.
Once again we're not talking about Aboriginies.
Obama

Indonesia

#58 Apr 6, 2012
Australian Bigot wrote:
<quoted text>
Once again we're not talking about Aboriginies.
Why????
Please Tell me man, What you talking about?
Obama

Indonesia

#59 Apr 6, 2012
Australian Bigot wrote:
<quoted text>
We're not talking about Aborigines do I'm not being blind man!, just because some whites killed black people doesn't give the Indonesians the right to invade and kill whoever they want, stay on topic.
Indonesia is not invader

Since: Feb 12

surabaya

#61 Apr 6, 2012
Obama wrote:
<quoted text>
Indonesia is not invader
Indonesia is invader. timor leste's history book always tells so and the tragic indonesian invasion are still fresh in our elder's mind. some lost their Parents,sons,daughter,homes, land and many more.
Myth Buster

Kluang, Malaysia

#62 Apr 6, 2012
Blunt wrote:
<quoted text>History means nothing.
Only when we look at history that we discover hypocrisy.

Gareth Evans was the Australian Foreign Minister that recognized Indonesia's annexation of East Timor. He turned a blind eye on the Dili massacre, in exchange for grabbing Timorese oil. This guy went on to be UN adviser.

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Led by Gareth Evans, former Foreign Minister of Australia, and Mohamed Sahnoun, Special Advisor to the UN Secretary-General, the Commission issued its report in December 2001. Focusing on the “right of humanitarian intervention”, this report examined when, if ever, it is appropriate for states for take coercive – and in particular military – action, against another state for the purpose of protecting populations at risk. In essence, the group concluded that when a group (or groups) of people is suffering from egregious acts of violence resulting from internal war, insurgency, repression or state failure, and the state where these crimes are taking place is unable or unwilling to act to prevent or protect its peoples, the international community has a moral duty to intervene to avert or halt these atrocities from occurring.

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It's all about finding excuses to steal resources from poor, weak neighbors.
Cuy

Cekel, Indonesia

#63 Apr 6, 2012
Australian Bigot wrote:
<quoted text>
Once again we're not talking about Aboriginies.
Poor Australian, they want to forget their sin aboout genocide they did to Aborigins People (The Real Owner of Australia' Land). If you Australian still has human sense, you all will leave australia right now and give it to aborigin people , but of course they won't coz they are just a bunch of bad people who steal other people's land

Since: Apr 11

Roma, QLD

#64 Apr 6, 2012
Cuy wrote:
<quoted text>Poor Australian, they want to forget their sin aboout genocide they did to Aborigins People (The Real Owner of Australia' Land). If you Australian still has human sense, you all will leave australia right now and give it to aborigin people , but of course they won't coz they are just a bunch of bad people who steal other people's land
No you little worms are trying to ignore your recent and still on going genocides and bloody nature by trying to change the subject, the Aboriginals are always talked about in Australia and things are done about it, we're not talking about Aboriginals, this thread isn't about Aboriginals, if you want to talk about Aboriginals start a thread about one or comment on the many hundreds of them on this forum.

Now back to Topic, is there any talk in the Indonesian media about the Invasions and slaughter of the citizens of the many states that you people rule over with your cruel cowardly military?
Cuy

Cekel, Indonesia

#65 Apr 6, 2012
Australian Bigot wrote:
<quoted text>
No you little worms are trying to ignore your recent and still on going genocides and bloody nature by trying to change the subject, the Aboriginals are always talked about in Australia and things are done about it, we're not talking about Aboriginals, this thread isn't about Aboriginals, if you want to talk about Aboriginals start a thread about one or comment on the many hundreds of them on this forum.
Now back to Topic, is there any talk in the Indonesian media about the Invasions and slaughter of the citizens of the many states that you people rule over with your cruel cowardly military?
Another denying?????

WAKAKAKAK

It's funny though the real invader call us invader, do Australian people have mirror in their house. let's take back to history

"Australia and Indonesia were the only nations in the world to recognise East Timor as a province of Indonesia, and soon afterwards began negotiations to divide resources found in the Timor Gap."

U see? we don't invade East Timor, even your government recognised East Timor as our newest province. You are the real invader dude!
You slaughter and genocide aborigin people in the past, and until right you practice the racist rule to the survivor of the aborigin people. Poor you are aborigin, there are a bunch of bitch people slaughtered your family, now that bunch of bitch live there and denying their genocide

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