Australia to scrap $6.6 Billion weapons deal

[Pessimist]

Kevin Dudd wrote:

A tiny third-rate military like Australia's does not need expensive toys.
Jet contract may be torn up
December 31, 2007
THE $6.6 billion purchase of 24 Super Hornets as a stop-gap fighter jet could be jettisoned by the Rudd Government as it reviews all aspects of the program to give Australia an edge in air-combat capability in the region.
Defence Department planners are believed to have been asked to present a detailed analysis on all the fighter jet options to the new Federal Government and how they stack up against likely adversaries — the first time such a study has been done for at least five years.
All projects in the $30 billion program will be carefully examined. That includes what aircraft are to be bought, in what numbers, when and at what price.
A senior Government source said: "Absolutely everything is on the table."
Even if contracts have been signed, as is the case with the Super Hornets, the Government is prepared to break them if the case is compelling. This marks a shift from previous Labor thinking.
As devised by the previous government, it came under sustained criticism from military aviation experts. Australia with a tiny population of 20 million does not have the manpower or strategic mass to challenge any of its huge neighbors like Indonesia, India or China.

You are right, that’s why we need nukes, lot’s of nukes.

[high rises on the range]

Seeing that Australia's biggest trading partner is China and that Indonesia's military is basically third world mujahadeen, what scenario can we see that Australia would be challenging either on it's own? Seriously..what a load of crock!

[high rises on the range]

Correction...we are already taking on Indonesia in East Timor and well, lets face it, it's not exactly heating up to boiling point. They basically have nothing.

[Beorge Gush]

IMO Australia can crush every miltary in that region barring India & China.

Luckily neither Inia nor China have any interest in beating upon Australia.

[Pessimist]

Duck Shamey wrote:

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Quit snorting bulldust from the outback matey! OZ only went into East Timor because Indonesia was in a mess after Suharto's fall and the military just wanted out and the US and its opportunist puppets saw it as a good time to go after Esat Timor sea OIL basin. In 1975 it was the same Indonesian military that took over East Timor in less than 5 hours and they can do it again if they choose too. It is all about demographics as Iraq and Afghanistan have clearly shown. Endless manpower will always win, this is the simple message of asymetrical warfare, bleed you enemy and bog them down, it has proved successful from Vietnam to Iraq. One Aussie idiot in US puppet service dies and the whole place moans for weeks.LOL. Imagine if the Aussie trash had to fight a real war.LOL.
Stay tuned and stay away from drugs.

That’s why we need nukes, manpower doesn’t matter much when it can be vaporized.

There is also the small factor that no Asian country presently has sufficient Naval resources to threaten Australia, China for instance doesn’t even have enough Navy to seriously threaten Taiwan, the only country that currently has the Naval resources to pose a serious threat of invasion is the USA.

And no I’m not suggesting that the US will invade OZ.

[Pessimist]

Duck Shamey wrote:

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Actually Australia is not in anyones sights despite aligning itself with suicidal US policies. OZ is being slowly being integrated into Asian economic and geo-political power structure anyway. The simple fact is that a small multicultural nation of 20 million without any major defence capability can only survive it it retains independence and nuetrality. Look at New Zealand, they have even scrapped their puny "airforce" mostly ageing A-4 Skyhawks and still remian peacful and secure due to good balanced foreign policy and neutrality.
Australia has this bizarre inferiority complex of playing a dumbass "deputy Sheriff" to an idiotic and deluional US which is on irreversible decline anyway. Indonesia has no will, capability or intention of "attacking" or "invading" OZ. If Aussie politicans can chart and indepenedent and respectful course with their giant neighbors, Australia will remain at peace and will prosper in the new Asian centric economic and strategic power block.
Kow-towing to insane US warmongering policies is a sure fire way of commiting hara-kiri globally. Just look at current plight of Pakistan and what its idiotic "alignment" with US and delusional "war on terror" farce has wrought havoc and turned it into a totally failed state.
The US has the IQ, EQ and maturity of a ten year old spoilt kid armed with a shotgun. Unstable and very dangerous, mostly to itself, and any nation that aligns itself with such a retard is bound to seal a fatal kiss of death.
OZ needs to mind its own business and get along with its neighbors without getting sucked into the endless American quagmire and failures. This century and beyond is the PACIFIC CENTURY and Australia, under hopefully sane, and sophiticated leadership is well poised to take advantage of it. Only peaceful coexistence will work for OZ.

A bit dramatic and drawn out, but I agree with your conclusion, I do believe however that it is all well and good to be friendly and mind our own business, get rid of ANZUS etc, but we still need to be able to defend ourselves, the only practical way to do that is a strong navy/air force combined with a nuclear deterrent.

[Yankee]

Gotta stay close to the US to avoid getting hit by the Jihadists - or better still to CRUSH the Jihadists.
Notice Al Qeda already getting crushed in Iraq cuz the US has effectively got the Sunni tribesmen doing the right thing and fcuking their case.

Stay close to us & Oz'll be safe. US had the right idea - lets get together & get that E Timor Oil secured.

[Pessimist]

Yankee wrote:

Gotta stay close to the US to avoid getting hit by the Jihadists - or better still to CRUSH the Jihadists.
Notice Al Qeda already getting crushed in Iraq cuz the US has effectively got the Sunni tribesmen doing the right thing and fcuking their case.
Stay close to us & Oz'll be safe. US had the right idea - lets get together & get that E Timor Oil secured.

The only reason anyone wants to attack Australia is due to our arse kissing the US government, Australia should work towards our own defence and nullification of the ANZUS treaty which is not worth the paper it is written on, while remaining friendly towards the US.

It is time for the Australian people to grow up and become truly independent.

[jack412]

Kevin Dudd wrote:

A tiny third-rate military like Australia's does not need expensive toys.

you are a nasty piece of work..

aussie are in the top 10 world forces and the contract was canceled because they are too slow havent the range and cant go stelth..

this was a shonky contract from day one and wasnt on advise from the air force procureament...some politicians get a kickback to order crap
the navy helo 2nd hand refit was another shonky deal that smelt of a pay off to cia

[Pessimist]

Kevin Dudd wrote:

Here is some more factual military info kids:
TOTAL AVAILABLE MILITARY MANPOWER & CAPABILITY
(List Represents All Available Individuals Capable of Military Service)
Data Up Through 2005
NR = Not Reported
China
342,956,265
India
287,551,111
United States of America
67,742,879
Indonesia
60,543,028
Brazil
45,586,036
Pakistan
39,028,014
Russia
35,247,049
Japan
27,003,112
Mexico
24,488,008
Philippines
20,131,179
Poland
19,154,353
Germany
18,917,537
Egypt
18,347,560
Iran
18,319,545
Turkey
16,756,323
Thailand
14,903,855
Great Britain
14,607,724
France
13,676,509
Italy
13,491,260
South Korea
12,458,257
Ukraine
11,067,239
Spain
9,366,588
TOTAL AVAILABLE MILITARY PERSONNEL
(Active, Reserves and Units Ready for Mobilization)
Data Up Through 2004
NR = Not Reported
Iran
11,770,000
China
7,024,000
North Korea
5,995,000
South Korea
5,209,000
India
3,773,300
Russia
3,037,000
United States of America
2,369,239
Taiwan
1,965,000
Brazil
1,687,600
Pakistan
1,449,000
Egypt
1,109,000
Turkey
1,043,550
Indonesia
923,000
Germany
683,150
Israel
576,000
Syria
536,500
Thailand
514,200
Mexico
503,770
Sweden
500,000
France
460,450
Italy
438,800
Ukraine
408,000
Poland
295,500
Japan
295,645
Philippines
281,000

We need nukes

[templar]

Kevin Dudd wrote:

Here is some more factual military info kids:
TOTAL AVAILABLE MILITARY MANPOWER & CAPABILITY
(List Represents All Available Individuals Capable of Military Service)
Data Up Through 2005
NR = Not Reported
China
342,956,265
India
287,551,111
United States of America
67,742,879
Indonesia
60,543,028
Brazil
45,586,036
Pakistan
39,028,014
Russia
35,247,049
Japan
27,003,112
Mexico
24,488,008
Philippines
20,131,179
Poland
19,154,353
Germany
18,917,537
Egypt
18,347,560
Iran
18,319,545
Turkey
16,756,323
Thailand
14,903,855
Great Britain
14,607,724
France
13,676,509
Italy
13,491,260
South Korea
12,458,257
Ukraine
11,067,239
Spain
9,366,588
TOTAL AVAILABLE MILITARY PERSONNEL
(Active, Reserves and Units Ready for Mobilization)
Data Up Through 2004
NR = Not Reported
Iran
11,770,000
China
7,024,000
North Korea
5,995,000
South Korea
5,209,000
India
3,773,300
Russia
3,037,000
United States of America
2,369,239
Taiwan
1,965,000
Brazil
1,687,600
Pakistan
1,449,000
Egypt
1,109,000
Turkey
1,043,550
Indonesia
923,000
Germany
683,150
Israel
576,000
Syria
536,500
Thailand
514,200
Mexico
503,770
Sweden
500,000
France
460,450
Italy
438,800
Ukraine
408,000
Poland
295,500
Japan
295,645
Philippines
281,000

How they going get here dork swim. Maybe their navies oops we would know they were comming before they even left port. Our navy is upgrading to the ageis combat systems, is there a better system NO. And you forget imbicile autralians would fight to the death every last one of us before we let anyone take australia. Canada's trouble is they have a french mentality. Heres a clue fool, google ( french military victories ) and see what turns up, they should put canada as a close second. Mmm didnt see canada mentioned anywhere in your idiotic post either.

[jack4312]

and yes i know it says 12th expenditure..
but we are still rated in top 10

[Merican]

templar wrote:

<quoted text>How they going get here dork swim. Maybe their navies oops we would know they were comming before they even left port. Our navy is upgrading to the ageis combat systems, is there a better system NO. And you forget imbicile autralians would fight to the death every last one of us before we let anyone take australia. Canada's trouble is they have a french mentality. Heres a clue fool, google ( french military victories ) and see what turns up, they should put canada as a close second. Mmm didnt see canada mentioned anywhere in your idiotic post either.

Lets see, Canada was on the winning side in the Bour War, WW1 and WW2. Fought in the Korean war and in UN dirty little wars too many to mention. We have 3500 troops in the field in Afgahistan who actually fight and die as apposed to other countries who supply a small amount of special forces and their main contingents are tourists.
That dosen't sound like France to me asshat.

[Gottaliv]

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

[Merican]

http://www.youtube.com/watch

[Merican]

www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2009/10/f-afganistan....

[Merican]

www.cbc.ca/canaca/story/2009/10/f-afgganista....

[Merican]

Frig can't find what I wanted to show, bummer. Gatalive liked your post it says it all about Oz, beautiful country beautiful people.

[Tatts]

Merican wrote:

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Lets see, Canada was on the winning side in the Bour War, WW1 and WW2..

Dude, I sincerely hope none of the veterans that risked their lives there don't find out you can't spell where they almost died....

[Tatts]

Nukes???

As long as we are strong allies with the US, we can requisition one quite quickly, not so cheaply though. Hell, they could deliver it on our behalf.