Malaysia Not Breeding Ground For Terrorists - Muhyiddin

[Santoso]

No Joke wrote:

Malaysia is a terrorist bleeding country. The government is supporting it silently. All the top terrorists shot dead in Indonesia were malaysian. Anybody can explain??

Bro..how about some Indonesians who were shot dead in Malaysia...???

Indonesian government is supporting them silently too??

[ngentu malon]

funny,bcoz there were report that Dr.Azhari&Nurdin got fund support from a foreign embassy in Jakarta,which embassy it was?guess who!!

[ngentu malon]

Santoso wrote:

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Bro..how about some Indonesians who were shot dead in Malaysia...???
Indonesian government is supporting them silently too??

santoso,warga malingsial kturunan jawa?munkin bapak emakmu dulu TKI ilegal ya?kenapa negaramu selalu memberitakan kriminal yg ditembak polis adlah warga Indonesia padahal research mnyebutkan hny 2% kejahatan di malingsial sana yg dilakukan warga Indonesia?

[No naMe]

ngentu malon wrote:

funny,bcoz there were report that Dr.Azhari&Nurdin got fund support from a foreign embassy in Jakarta,which embassy it was?guess who!!

yup.. Dr Azhari & Noordin m top from malaysia

[haha]

indonesians, are u jealous of Malaysia? stop spreading hatred and defamations against Malaysia.

[Nafi Sahgem]

ViQ : your government should know this much better than me..
yes, still some underground terrorist cells in Indonesia and also in Malaysia and Singapore.

the Indonesian government are now treating this cells as a thread, and we are working on it.. especially after that stupid Malaysian Noodin MT was killed.

everybody knows that Malaysia is the center of terrorism camps in South East Asia.. we all know that..

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Hmmmmm....:)

- Alleging that the centre of terrorist training camps being Malaysia is slanderous, not based on facts and desperate attempts of deflection on Indonesia's previous weaknesses and shortfall in containing extremism and fanaticism in its midst until Bali bombing happens.

- Everybody knows that Indonesia has an "environment" enabling heinous acts of terrorism to be undertaken such as Bali bombings and Jakarta bombings. Indonesia only "woke up" after that.

- The Malaysian government has been monitoring all extremists and deviationist groups in Malaysia since the seventies.

- The Malaysian government also monitors foreign/neihbouring secessionists movements along Malaysia's borders including Aceh, Southern Thailand and Southern Philippines.

- The Malaysian government cooperated with the governments of Indonesia, Philippines and Thailand in intelligence sharing and security matters as and when agreed by both sides on secessionists movements resolutions and terrorists/extremists containment.

- The Malaysian government tipped off the Americans on a planned terrorist attack in the US, but the US intelligence and security community (FBI, CIA, NSA) were disparate, uncordinated and have turf wars. And the warnings was ignored by the US Administration until 9/11 happened.

- The Jemaah Islamiyah started in Indonesia and has recruits from all over Southeast Asia to forge a pan insular Southeast Asian Islamic state/caliphate.

- The international community monitoring terrorism in Southeast Asia realised Indonesia is the weakest link in countering and containing extremism and terrorism in Indonesia, by law and by capability. Therefore, since Bali bombings, assistance was accorded to Indonesia on counter-terrorism measures, including training Densus 88.

- The underground cells in Malaysia was largely purged due to monitoring and detention of possible terrorist/extremists.

- Cooperation between Indonesia, Malaysia and Singapore are ongoing in containing terrorist networks. Indonesia is a little bit better now on counter-terrorists measures, but the international community remains concerned on the pesantrens associated with Jemaah Islamiyah that are the breeding grounds of extremist/fanatical mindsets.

- As Azahari and Noordin M Top were killed, and congratulations to Indonesia, your country, nevertheless remains a "soft" when it comes to potential terrorists being able to operate in - for funds, training, symphatisers, facilitators.

And all those are reported in international media as stated by think tankers, terrorist analysts if anyone cared to read them.

[ViQ]

Eye of the Storm
Disturbing revelations throw a spotlight on Malaysia as the region's key meeting place for al-Qaeda-affiliated terrorists and an exporter of jihad
SIMON ELEGANT Kuala Lumpur
Ever since the Sept. 11 attacks in the U.S., speculation has been rampant about the extent of al-Qaeda's ambitions in Southeast Asia. Some analysts fingered sprawling, chaotic Indonesia as the possible nexus of an Asian network, pointing to its thousands of radical Muslims fighting bloody private wars against their Christian neighbors. Others suggested the Philippines, whose lawless, predominantly Muslim south harbored well-armed Islamic militias that have been waging war against the central government for decades. Very few suspected peaceful, relatively prosperous Malaysia, where Muslims make up two-thirds of the population but seemed to have bought into the consumerist, essentially pro-Western views espoused by their leaders.

But after months of investigation and hundreds of hours interrogating detained terrorist suspects, even government officials in Kuala Lumpur can no longer deny that Malaysia was the financial and planning center for the region's main al-Qaeda-linked terrorist network, the place Osama bin Laden's proselytizers chose to recruit a core of loyal followers, launch new groups into neighboring countries, and coordinate with Southeast Asia's existing Islamic radicals. Increasingly, it seems clear Malaysia was one of a number of hubs used in the worldwide preparations for the carnage of Sept. 11 in the U.S.

If that isn't shocking enough, consider this: the networks are still thriving. Underworld figures involved in Southeast Asia's flourishing illicit trade in arms assert—and senior Malaysian government officials acknowledge—that representatives from the region's most notorious and violent radical Islamic groups still regularly gather in Malaysia to meet with their al-Qaeda backers. Listen to Mat, a pony-tailed Indonesian who has been trading illegal arms for 20 years. "How stupid can you be? Of course al-Qaeda is still here in Malaysia," he snorts. "This is their favorite place to have meetings with the other radical Islamic groups in the region."

Mat says the crackdown by police since the Sept. 11 attacks has yet to interfere seriously with his business, either with ordinary criminal groups or with regular customers from a laundry list of Asian Islamic militant organizations that he says are funded in part by al-Qaeda: the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) and Abu Sayyaf from the Philippines, the Laskar Jihad and Free Aceh Movement from Indonesia and Malaysia's own Kumpulan Mujahideen Malaysia (KMM).

[ViQ]

To learn that terrorist groups continue to hold such meetings with apparent impunity is especially alarming in light of new details interrogators have gleaned from the roughly 50 terrorist suspects being held in Malaysian jails. For the first time, police have a detailed picture of how al-Qaeda stepped in and—mostly through the liberal use of cash and the services of two Indonesian clerics who acted as proxies—managed to transform a radical Muslim group preoccupied with domestic concerns into a band of foot soldiers in Osama bin Laden's crusade against the U.S.

Malaysia is, in the words of one U.S. official, "a perfect place for terrorist R. and R.," where Islamic radicals from around the region and their al-Qaeda backers can meet. The most notorious gathering of al-Qaeda operatives took place in January 2000 and involved two hijackers who died in the suicide attack on the Pentagon, the roommate of a third hijacker and at least one of the suspects in the U.S.S. Cole bombing. Zacarias Moussaoui, the Algerian-born French citizen now in custody in Virginia—the so-called 20th hijacker—also made several visits to Malaysia. Last week Washington labeled the country a staging area for the U.S. attacks, a charge that has put the Malaysian government on the defensive. "Malaysia is definitely not a primary launchpad for terrorists' activities," says a government official. "But it appears that Malaysia was used as a convenient meeting and transit point by some of these people from the radical groups."

[ViQ]

Eye of the Storm

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Despite the semantic disagreement, there's little doubt that Malaysia is cooperating with the U.S. in seeking to apprehend militants. Although Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad is known to rail against U.S. policy in the Middle East and its conduct of the war in Afghanistan, he has long warned of the threat of radical Islam. Malaysian police made their first arrests—of 12 KMM members—in early August 2001, well before last year's attacks, at the time raising a chorus of complaints from human rights advocates who said the arrests were politically motivated to stamp out opposition.

That tough antiterrorist line has continued. Since September, as part of the global crackdown on extremist Islamic groups, Malaysian police have arrested some 50 alleged members of the KMM, which they say sought the violent overthrow of the government for the purposes of installing a fundamentalist Islamic administration. Despite the arrests, as the Malaysian official notes, even with new, stringent surveillance of visitors and tightened-up immigration checks, it's nearly impossible to track what he estimates are "several hundred" al-Qaeda-linked businessmen, bankers, traders and tourists—many of them Arab—who pass through or live in the country.

"Let's draw parallels with, say, the Tamils and LTTE," another official explains, referring to the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam, who have been waging a bloody campaign for two decades for an independent state in Sri Lanka. "If Tamils set up businesses in Sri Lanka and then support the Tamil Tigers, what can the Sri Lankan government do? It can only monitor these businessmen but cannot arrest them without concrete proof. It's the same here. Al-Qaeda representatives are sent to ensure the radical groups in the region have the necessary funding to buy arms and don't have to worry about other logistics. You must always remember that Osama's main aim is to see powerful radical groups emerging."

Police in Malaysia say they now have a clear picture of how al-Qaeda managed to reprogram just such a radical group. The Malaysian authorities had been tracking the KMM for months before they moved to arrest the 12 alleged ringleaders under suspicion of a rash of crimes, including a bank robbery that left several members dead, a political assassination and bombings of temples and churches.

[ViQ]

The KMM, which official sources allege was founded and led by the son of opposition leader Nik Aziz, had established branches in all nine states in peninsular Malaysia. KMM members were told that the group was conducting militia-style training to protect Nik Aziz's fundamentalist Islamic Party of Malaysia in the event of a government crackdown. But top KMM leaders were actively planning the violent overthrow of the country's government in favor of an Islamic regime, police say.

In the mid-'90s, that domestic focus changed with the appearance in Malaysia of two Indonesian ulema, or Islamic teachers. The two men, Abubakar Ba'asyir and Riduan Isamuddin, better known as Hambali, preached a radical new vision of Islam, heavily influenced by the worldview of Osama bin Laden, a man Hambali claimed to have met personally on two occasions. The militant clerics found a receptive audience among many KMM members, government officials say, focusing their attention on a KMM branch in the state of Selangor, outside the capital Kuala Lumpur.

With Abubakar acting as the spiritual leader and controller of the purse strings and Hambali responsible for most of the planning and day-to-day administration, the two men wooed KMM members in Selangor and elsewhere into a new organization they established in the late 1990s, called the Jemaah Islamiah. Abubakar hammered home the themes he still preaches at his school in central Java today: the glory of a martyr's death and the overriding goal of setting up a Muslim government. Officials say he espoused the formation of a new Islamic state encompassing Malaysia, Indonesia, the southern Philippines, Singapore and Brunei. To fund such an ambitious vision, he was in contact with al-Qaeda paymasters and responsible for funneling money through branches of some Middle Eastern banks in Malaysia to his own newly founded cells of Jemaah Islamiah, which gradually stretched through peninsular Malaysia to Singapore, as well as to other Islamic groups in the region.

[ViQ]

Despite the growing list of allegations against Abubakar and Hambali, Indonesian officials have been circumspect in dealing with Abubakar, who recently moved back to Indonesia after 15 years.(Hambali, who is wanted by police in Indonesia and Malaysia, has disappeared). Recently questioned by police, Abubakar was released after two days and continues to teach at his religious school in the town of Solo. In an interview with Time, the soft-spoken 63-year-old vigorously denies any connection with a terrorist network. "I am not advocating the overthrow of any government," Abubakar says. "What I want to see is a government committed to Islam." He blames Mahathir, the U.S. and a worldwide Jewish conspiracy for his problems (see interview). "This is just a political game," he says of the charges. "Jemaah Islamiah is an invention by Mahathir to instill fear [BRACKET {into}] the Muslim community."

But the Jemaah Islamiah's reach extends far beyond just Malaysia. In December, Singaporean police arrested 13 alleged members of the Jemaah Islamiah and uncovered detailed plans to bomb U.S. targets in the city-state. In addition to the scheme involving the missing tons of ammonium nitrate that were destined for Singapore, police there have unearthed another Jemaah Islamiah plot to order a further nine tons of the chemical.(For comparison, the devastating Oklahoma City bombing required only one ton of ammonium nitrate.)

[ViQ]

Eye of the Storm

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More arrests might be in store. Malaysian officials say that despite the 50 previously detained suspects, several hundred more are still at large. And in Singapore, Prime Minister Goh Chok Tong recently warned residents that despite the arrests there could well still be terrorists in their midst. "I do not want to alarm you," he said, "but it is prudent for us to work on the assumption that a bomb may go off somewhere in Singapore someday."

There is plenty of evidence that al-Qaeda operatives, or their proxies, are still active in the region. According to sources at all levels of the clandestine arms trade in Southeast Asia, meetings—sometimes several a month—between representatives of militant Islamic groups and their al-Qaeda financiers continue to take place in Malaysia: in cheap hotels and guest houses outside Kuala Lumpur, in the beach resort of Port Dickson and in the cities of Melaka and Johore Baru across the strait from Singapore. "These groups use the Internet to set up the venue and date for their meetings," says Mat, the arms trader. "The messages are sent in encrypted codes. For example, MILF might want 3,000 M-16s and the al-Qaeda member will agree to pay for the weapons."

Just how effectively this system operates is made clear by a spokesman for the fundamentalist Free Aceh Movement, better known by its Indonesian acronym gam. Agreeing to talk only by telephone and refusing to give even a nickname, the 10-year veteran of the murderous struggle—his wife and three children have all been killed in the fighting—says that he regularly places orders with arms syndicates for hundreds of weapons: M-16 and AK-47 automatic rifles, handguns and ammunition. Tracing a well-worn route, the weapons are bought in Thailand, sent down to Malaysia and then carried on boats through the Strait of Malacca.

But, he adds, he has nothing to do with the financing of the deals. He doesn't have any idea how much the weapons cost. Payment is taken care of by sympathizers, such as al-Qaeda. "My job is only to place orders with the arms brokers," he says. "When the weapons arrive, I will be notified."

That notification comes from middlemen like Mat, who are present at the initial meetings, then take over the ordering and delivery, working through the several criminal syndicates that control the region's flow of illegal arms. Due to the sensitivities and dangers involved, only one syndicate actually buys arms for the radical groups. Because the profits for the transactions are so high, official sources say, and al-Qaeda is still apparently able to command significant funds, non-Muslim criminals—some of them outwardly respectable businessmen—are a key part of the process. "The syndicate is based in Malaysia," says Mat, "and is made up largely of Overseas Chinese and some Malaysian Chinese." The middlemen and their sponsors represent the murky underworld where Islamic ideology becomes entwined with the straightforward criminal activity of gunrunning. The size and complexities of that network illustrate the difficulties of an effective government crackdown.

[ViQ]

Malaysian officials say the security problem is compounded by the country's successful push in recent years to boost the numbers of visitors from the Middle East, attracted in part by Malaysia's policy of visa-free entry for citizens of most Islamic countries. "How do we stop these Arabs?" asks one official. "Even if we suspect them we can't just arrest people."

While the scope and reach of Malaysia's terror network is alarming, what is more surprising is that fundamentalist and separatist movements throughout Southeast Asia have been funded and armed by al-Qaeda operatives, sometimes without the guerrillas themselves knowing the identity of their backers. Equally troubling is the fact that the al-Qaeda terror network is linked with not only extremist Islamic groups but a host of criminal syndicates. Kuala Lumpur and the other governments can no longer blame foreigners, especially Arabs, for their domestic terrorist problems. The money might come from abroad, but the extremism and criminal support networks are largely homegrown. How Malaysia and the other countries counter this threat will become increasingly the concern not just of the U.S. and other potential targets of terrorism, but of other Asian populations and governments that will face persistent unrest until the War on Terror is finally won.

[ViQ]

Malasyia Not a Breeding Ground For Terrorism?

I doubt it..

[ViQ]

Travel Advice

Malaysia
Malaysia overall This Advice is current for Wednesday, 11 November 2009.

Summary

We advise you to exercise caution and monitor developments that might affect your safety in Malaysia because of the risk of terrorist attack.

Pay close attention to your personal security and monitor the media for information about possible new safety or security risks.

We strongly advise you to reconsider your need to travel to the islands, dive sites and coastal areas of Eastern Sabah because of the high threat of kidnapping by terrorists and criminals. In the past, terrorists have kidnapped foreigners from coastal areas of Eastern Sabah, the islands and surrounding waters.

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[Nafi Sahgem]

US Council on Foreign Relations

In August 2002, the United States briefly shut down its embassy in Jakarta, the Indonesian capital, on warnings of an attack plot by militants with al-Qaeda ties. The United States temporarily withdrew all nonessential personnel from the country following the Bali attack.

Chief among the Indonesian groups that trouble U.S.and Asian officials is Jemaah Islamiyah (JI), the group thought to be behind the 2002 Bali bombings, which seeks an Islamist state incorporating Indonesia, Malaysia, and the southern Philippines. The group’s leader, the radical Indonesian cleric Abu Bakar Bashir, was arrested shortly after the Bali bombings—he was found guilty in 2005 and sentenced to two-and-a-half years in prison.

Jemaah Islamiyah has been linked to terrorist plots by an alleged al-Qaeda operative recently captured in Indonesia and turned over to the CIA.

U.S. officials also worry about Laskar Jihad, a violent group aiming to eliminate Christians from the Moluccas and Sulawesi Island and establish an Islamist state. After the October 2002 Balibombing, Laskar Jihad announced it had disbanded.

Its leader, Jaffar Umar Thalib, says he met Osama bin Laden while fighting in the Islamist brigades opposed to the 1979-89 Soviet occupation of Afghanistan but says he’s rejected al-Qaeda’s offers of funding. Some experts say that Laskar Jihad’s contacts with al-Qaeda are more extensive than Thalib admits, but no hard evidence has been found linking the two groups.

The October 2002 Bali bombing prompted Indonesia’s defense minister to say he was “sure that al-Qaeda is here.” Earlier, Indonesia’s chief of military intelligence said foreign terrorists were training in a camp on Sulawesi Island, but he withdrew his report after criticism from domestic Islamic groups.

[Nafi Sahgem]

Tuesday, 21 July 2009
Terrorism in Indonesia has nothing to do with Afghanistan
by Jeff Sparrow

The argument, insofar as there is one, holds that, in the past Afghanistan provided a training ground for terrorists and, so if left to its own devices, it might become one again.

But the people behind the Jakarta blasts don’t need to take trips to Afghanistan. There’s a much more convenient training ground at their disposal&#8201;—&#8201 ;it’s called Indonesia.

Yes, the bombers might admire Islamist struggles elsewhere in the world. But that vague ideological affinity remains much less important to the growth of Jemaah Islamiyah than conditions at home. In other words, the solution of Islamist terrorism in Indonesia lies in Indonesia, rather than Afghanistan. How could it possibly be otherwise?

But for the sake of argument, let’s suppose that Indonesian terrorists really did require overseas training. In that case, wouldn’t the war make Afghanistan more rather than less attractive? Wasn’t that how al Qaeda originally spread &#8201;—&#8201;with militants coming, not to train but to fight? Insofar as there is a link between JI and Afghanistan, it was forged by Indonesian recruits coming to battle against the Soviets in the 1980s. Isn’t it entirely possible that something similar might be taking place now?

There’s no magic solutions to terrorism. Of course there’s not. But would happen if the Australian resources being thrown into the Afghan crusade went to, say, helping Indonesia bolster its education system, so that impoverished families didn’t need to rely on the religious schools that indoctrinate kids into Islamism? Would that make a difference?

[Nafi Sahgem]

Sympathy for terrorists remains deep-rooted
Mohammad Yazid, Jakarta
Fri, 10/30/2009

A Javanese saying aptly describes the love-hate relationship among siblings as tega larane ora tega patine (having the heart to leave somebody suffering, but not to see their death). It means kinship is basically an inseparable bond.

This emotion has been experienced by many Indonesian Muslims when police killed alleged Muslim terrorists. Actually, there were always mixed reactions at their funerals. In some cases, villagers refused to have the bodies buried at their villages, since they believed terrorism is against Islam.

In Kuningan, West Java, locals protested against a planned burial of terrorists Syaifudin Zuhri and M Syahrir, who died in a raid in Ciputat that was conducted by Densus 88. In the end, the remains of two suspects was buried at Pondok Rangon cemetery in East Jakarta. Only few attended the funeral.

Some communities in Kudus, Purbalingga and Solo, Central Java, showed similar responses to the funerals of other terrorists - Bagus Budi Pranoto, Ario Sudarso and Susilo.

By comparison, reactions were very different with Amrozi, Mukhlas, Imam Samudera (all Bali bombing I convicts), Air Setyawan and Eko Joko Supriyanto (killed during a raid in Puri Nusaphala, Jatiasih Bekasi). These funerals were welcomed by residents and supporters. The terrorist suspects were seen as martyrs, who had sacrificed their lives for a religious cause.

But Muslims have reacted to terrorism in different ways. Many Muslims have reacted furiously to terrorism as being a major peril to social life, and have been relieved at witnessing the deaths of the terrorists, and hope for the recovery of security. They oppose such acts and describe what terrorists have done as murder under the guise of religion, and not jihad or holy war.

Conversely, others have shown a willingness to understand and support terrorist acts carried out by people called jihadists. Their views are set among others against the backdrop of the belief in jihad guaranteeing entry to heaven.

They justify such acts because the Koran apparently allows Muslims to kill heretics. The words and deeds of the Prophet also contain appeals to support jihadists. Islam also emphasizes that fellow Muslims are brothers. Thus, they should help each other.

However, the diverse opinions about terrorism and jihad among Muslims will create further problems in Indonesia's endeavors to eliminate it, since Muslims (as the largest social group) share no common ground on these issues at this stage.

This basic factor is the basis for the assumption that the Muslim community is not yet firm in its stance against terrorism. And Muslims who support terrorism are somewhat bound by considerations that among victims of terrorism are Muslims.

However, this success by no means suggests the end of the war on terrorism, because the growth of terrorism in Indonesia is inseparable from the attitudes of the Muslim community, which have given the terrorist movement room to evolve. Among other things, many terrorists perceive Islam in the spirit of anarchy and sectarianism, rather than in the spirit of togetherness and tolerance as members of Indonesia's pluralist society.

[Mereka Buta Mata Dan Hati]

Itu Lah BANGSA INDON, Dari pagi sampai malam menyalahkan orang lain tapi tidak diri mereka sendiri...

Kalau tanya siapa itu ABU Bakar Bashir? Jawaban mereka pasti salah orang lain....

ITULAH BANGSA PALING GOBLOK DALAM DUNIA Seperti kata JUSUF KALLA...Nak tangkaop terrorist pun kena minta bantuam luar..

Seperti kata specialist dari Australia, tanpa bantuan Australia, INDON belum pasti berjaya menangani masaalah ini..

[Pokewak]

Mereka Buta Mata Dan Hati wrote:

Itu Lah BANGSA INDON, Dari pagi sampai malam menyalahkan orang lain tapi tidak diri mereka sendiri...
Kalau tanya siapa itu ABU Bakar Bashir? Jawaban mereka pasti salah orang lain....
ITULAH BANGSA PALING GOBLOK DALAM DUNIA Seperti kata JUSUF KALLA...Nak tangkaop terrorist pun kena minta bantuam luar..
Seperti kata specialist dari Australia, tanpa bantuan Australia, INDON belum pasti berjaya menangani masaalah ini..

BABINDON tak nampak kekurangan diri sendiri
org lain jer dia nampak