'Lazy Ugandans jealous of Indians'

Apr 16, 2007 Full story: The Times of India 2,394

“Also, Ugandans feel that the affluent Indians didn't respect them and treated them like slaves which is not true”

VADODARA: Are citizens of Uganda really worried about their country's ecology or are they just wary of Indians controlling their country's economy? Indians, who fled Uganda in 1970s, said that the Ugandans are ... via The Times of India

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UK Guy

UK

#1 Apr 17, 2007
Uganda is a small country and India has developed well recently but not able to create jobs for the citizens and so they end up going abroad even to small places like Uganda in search of money.....simple as that. If they had chances, they would go to UK and USA but seems Uganda visas have been easy and people are quickly prepared to leave India.....the question is why they want to leave India?
Elias

Maribyrnong, Australia

#2 Apr 17, 2007
Uganda is a high risk but potentially lucrative country to do business

Indians planning to set up businesses there may be playing Russian roulette given their treatment at the hands of Idi Amin but thats the chance you take when your an entreprenuer
UK Guy

UK

#3 Apr 17, 2007
A common street man leaves India as he finds it difficult to make ends meet in the corrupt society in India. Even the doctors and engineers after using Indian funds leave the country as they dont see much future in India even though India needs them. At times only the rich and people with good influence are able to get good jobs in India. What you see in many films is a reality in India and that is why the kissing scenes are sensored and the scenes showing corruption in business and police station are allowed to be placed on screen for the world people to see. But still the bad methods follow as the government, may be thinks that the films will put everything right. Politicians need to wake up. Even the dancing ladies from India are moving out in the name of entertainment..... as we see in Dubai and London and many rich cities, where suddenly so many have moved in.
sol-man

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#4 Apr 17, 2007
Ugandians have very short memory. they do not recall those good old days during Amin days when the whole country went to hell and thousandes were killed under that government.what did the indians get under that regime .nothing we lost every thing we left with nothing after almost 100 years.i am a ugandian born indian i was not considered ugandian . it is very easy for these people to target indians . this is in their nature.if they can get some thing for free they will loot and steal.with pleasure.this is in their blood.blacks live in USA AND OTHER COUNTRIES. even living in this for 100s years when they get a chance they run out and loot and steal and gave total disregard law. no body should help them let them go back to the stone age.you need to under stand this nature of black people
Elias

Monash, Australia

#5 Apr 17, 2007
To be fair

Any Indian living in africa is not considered African by the locals.
SOL-MAN

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#6 Apr 18, 2007
ELIAS, MAY BE THAT IS PART OF THE PROBLEM. WE DID NOT ONLY LIVE THERE BUT WE BUILD THE COUNTRY.WE HAVE ABOUT 100YEARS OF HISTORY IN UGANDA. MY GRANDPARENTS WERE BORN THERE. MY FATHER WAS BORN THERE.I WAS BORN THERE.THE FIRST PRESIDENT OF UGANDA GREW UP WITH AND WENT TO SCHOOL WITH SOME OF MY OWL UNCLES.I DONT KNOW ANY PLACE IN WORLD WERE YOU ARE BORN YOU ARE DO NOT CONSIDER A CITIZEN OF THAT COUNTRY, I GUSS I WAS NEVER A UGANDAN.
Elias

Monash, Australia

#7 Apr 19, 2007
Why does this surprise you

I am born and lived in Australia all my life. Yet people ask me what country I am from
Peace - UK

UK

#8 Apr 19, 2007
OK one can be a Ugandan Asian.....that is the closest......or a British Asian. I went to the Indian Visa office in UK and they refused to give me 5 year multiple visit visa on this last occassion saying I have to prove I am of Indian origin!!! My Father was born in India (I said I can prove) and lived in Uganda and I was born in Uganda. In Britain I am called a British Asian although I try to consider myself British as have chosen a British Passport. Indians call me NRI.....Non Resident Indian? Seems they also want to hold on to me somehow by giving me bit of that Indian title. So perhaps I dont know who I am. But I am HAPPY as I know that others are wrong and confused.....I am a human being. The other titles are man made. God makes us human beings and He is right.....again!!!
UK Guy

UK

#9 Apr 19, 2007
Why they refused 5 years' multiple visit visa to India saying one has to prove he / she is of Indian origin and yet call him / her and NRI.....Non Resident Indian???!!! So bit of Indian when they want to and not when they dont want to!!! At least in UK I am a British Asian with all British rights and many times considered a British also as I have a British Passport. In the eyes of the law, I am British.....that is what matters. So have to be happy with that. Life not too long to argue about all this. Yes a human being first.....agreed.
sol-man

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#10 Apr 19, 2007
I CANNOT UNDER STAND WAY YOU WERE REFUSED A 5 YEAR VISA. MOST NRI I KNOW GO BACK AND FORTH WITH ON PROBLEM. BUT NOT TO WORRY YOU HAVE THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS .YOU ARE IN THE BEST PLACES OF THE WORLDS.ALWAYS BE PROUD OF WHAT CITIZENSHIP YOU HAVE. WE REAL CANNOT CONSIDER OUR SELFS INDAINS BECAUSE OUR THINKING IS DIFFERENT AND MAIN LAND INDIANS ARE SOME TIMES NOT CONFERITABLE WITH THAT.I LIKE MY UNICENESS SO I DONT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. I HAVE BEEN TO INDIA MANY TIMES. AND SEE THAT IN INDIA I AM RESPECTED AND TREATED WILL.WE INDIANS WILL ALL WAYS BE INDIANS NO MATER WHERE WE LIVE THAT IS OUR CULTURE .I WOULD NOT WANT TO BE ANY THING ELSE THAN INDIAN/ AT LIST I AM NOT REFUSED ANY VISAS I HAVE APPLIED FOR 5 YEAR VISA AND GRANTED 2 TIMES. YOU NEED TO SEE WHO IS PROCESSING THIS VISA.TAKE IT UP WITH AMBASY. GOOD LUCK
UK Guy

UK

#11 Apr 20, 2007
Thanx sol-man. Once they gave me 5 year visa and after that they stopped. 5 year multiple visa is cheaper and so wanted same again as I have also been there many times. I like it there but have had some bad experiences also there. Basically money speaks more there.
UK Guy

UK

#12 Apr 20, 2007
It is nice to see that The Uganda government is following up the matter properly. It was bit different in the times of Idi Amin.
Liberty

Dublin, Ireland

#13 Apr 20, 2007
sol-man wrote:
Ugandians have very short memory. they do not recall those good old days during Amin days when the whole country went to hell and thousandes were killed under that government.what did the indians get under that regime .nothing we lost every thing we left with nothing after almost 100 years.i am a ugandian born indian i was not considered ugandian . it is very easy for these people to target indians . this is in their nature.if they can get some thing for free they will loot and steal.with pleasure.this is in their blood.blacks live in USA AND OTHER COUNTRIES. even living in this for 100s years when they get a chance they run out and loot and steal and gave total disregard law. no body should help them let them go back to the stone age.you need to under stand this nature of black people
The problem in Uganda and not only Uganda but infact the whole of Africa goes beyond just what the media tells u or what ur small brain thinks.

Live in Africa as an African and see the Indians and Chinese how they treat the Africans and then empathize with the Africans, and come back and comment on this blog, honestly speaking.

Those slavery days are gone and Africans are humans. No matter whether u are starving or what but u can never let a foreigner come and treat u like a slave in ur country.

Coomenting about this statement,“Also, Ugandans feel that the affluent Indians didn't respect them and treated them like slaves which is not true.” Who says it's not true? What evidnce have they got? Were they living in Uganda during the Amin days? Are they living in Africa now today?!
UK Guy

UK

#14 Apr 20, 2007
People (Asians) holding Uganda passport also were called to the capital Kampala and lined up and one by one the passports were taken and thrown in the box on the floor. This left the individuals stateless.....and also were asked to leave the country in those 30 days. The administration seems more stable now. Those days were different.....when the blacks and brown all suffered in the hands of the provocative politicians.
UK Guy

UK

#15 Apr 20, 2007
People (Asians) holding Uganda passport also were called to the capital Kampala and lined up and one by one the passports were taken and thrown in the box on the floor. This left the individuals stateless.....and also were asked to leave the country in those 90 days. The administration seems more stable now. Those days were different.....when the blacks and brown all suffered in the hands of the provocative politicians. People were thrown out without compensation. On the way to the capital and the airport there were the army guys to loot you. People who have gone through all this know this very well. When the same happens to the whites in a part of Africa, they too feel the hurt. When the blacks were the victim of the slave trade, they also got hurt. IF NOW PEOPLE DONT RESPECT EACH OTHER AND DONT LEARN TO LIVE HAPPILY RESPECTING THE DIFFERENT CULTURES, THEN WE CAN SEE MORE UNHAPPINESS. This is where Britain has set a good example.....a place where nearly the whole world colours live happily. Britain has set a very good example and if we dont learn, it is our loss. And I feel that if Britain can't do it then no other country on this earth will be able to do it at this stage. The British (when not influenced by other powerful countries)approach has been right to see to proper integration.
sol-man

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#16 Apr 20, 2007
how are indians and chines treating africans baddly. please explain .have you ever heard off the cast system. this is the culture of old countries like india and china and this all braking down slowly. so do NOT fell bad LIBERTY.I ALSO FALL SOME WHERE IN THIS SYSTEM. THAT DOES NOT MEAN I ACCEPT THAT.AND NO ONE SHOULD.AND THAT IS WHERE YOU MAY FELL THAT THEY LOOK AT YOU DIFFRENT.
Elias

Maribyrnong, Australia

#17 Apr 20, 2007
To give another point of view

I worked with a Ugandan overseas 15 years ago. We discussed Uganda over coffee after work almost every second day

There a few points that have not been raised here that I learnt from this gentleman that are worth posing

1. Ugandan Africans are made up of a variety of ethnic groups - some of whom are despised more than Indians.

2. African men are actually attracted to Indian girls but a afraid to approach them as they are often threatend by brothers or members of the Indian community (ironic given how small Indian community is) this adds to the belief Indians dont want to assimilate

3. Indians will always hire another indian in preference to hiring a black african and given unemployment was always high in Uganda this smacked of prejudice

4. Indians never invested their profits in the country but rather setup offshore accounts or in trust accounts in the UK, worst still Indians rarely donated time or money for african charities

5. Indians were never involved in local sports (i.e. soccor)and particpation was negligible

6. Finally Indians openly looked down on africans. Whats funny is some of the african people were actually better looking and more refined in their qualities yet were never good enough to mix with.

My friend never worked out was why Mahatma Gandhi started a union for Indian workers in south africa but never made legal representation for african workers in the smae boat. Surely he was a humanitarian

Indians may have to prove they have changed when they come back to Unganda
Abhishek

Bangalore, India

#18 Apr 20, 2007
i hear a lot of criticism about how india and china r operating in africa.

my point is - how did the white imperialists first behave when they encountered africans? far far worse ...

we r being humane to africans, given how gorahs treated them. they shud appreciate that.

we r finally brinign economic oppurtunity to their desolate and abandoned countries. appreciate that.
Liberty

Dublin, Ireland

#19 Apr 20, 2007
Elias wrote:
To give another point of view
I worked with a Ugandan overseas 15 years ago. We discussed Uganda over coffee after work almost every second day
There a few points that have not been raised here that I learnt from this gentleman that are worth posing
1. Ugandan Africans are made up of a variety of ethnic groups - some of whom are despised more than Indians.
2. African men are actually attracted to Indian girls but a afraid to approach them as they are often threatend by brothers or members of the Indian community (ironic given how small Indian community is) this adds to the belief Indians dont want to assimilate
3. Indians will always hire another indian in preference to hiring a black african and given unemployment was always high in Uganda this smacked of prejudice
4. Indians never invested their profits in the country but rather setup offshore accounts or in trust accounts in the UK, worst still Indians rarely donated time or money for african charities
5. Indians were never involved in local sports (i.e. soccor)and particpation was negligible
6. Finally Indians openly looked down on africans. Whats funny is some of the african people were actually better looking and more refined in their qualities yet were never good enough to mix with.
My friend never worked out was why Mahatma Gandhi started a union for Indian workers in south africa but never made legal representation for african workers in the smae boat. Surely he was a humanitarian
Indians may have to prove they have changed when they come back to Unganda
Not only to Uganda but to the whole of Africa. If not then us Africans are better off the way we are now than suffering more from slavarists.
UK Guy

UK

#20 Apr 20, 2007
Liberty Guy...U said "us Africans" ??? But you are in Ireland.....Liberty
Galloping Green, Ireland ?

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