China and Japan face off: Tiny islands, big dispute

Oct 2, 2012 Full story: Christian Science Monitor 13

The Great Hall of the People , the heart of Beijing 's ceremonial political life, should have been ringing last month with toasts and speeches to fete the 40th anniversary of diplomatic relations between China and Japan .

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RayH

Guangzhou, China

#1 Oct 2, 2012
Nothing to celebrate.

Since: Mar 08

Portland, OR

#2 Oct 3, 2012
trouble maker China infringing on another country's territory, what else is new
RayH

Shenzhen, China

#3 Oct 3, 2012
Leonard 68 wrote:
trouble maker China infringing on another country's territory, what else is new
You're the one still stuck in AfghanNam for 11 years, with 2 more to go.

Since: Mar 08

Portland, OR

#4 Oct 3, 2012
RayH wrote:
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You're the one still stuck in AfghanNam for 11 years, with 2 more to go.
stuck?

we have been there and have remained there by choice
RayH

Shenzhen, China

#5 Oct 3, 2012
Leonard 68 wrote:
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stuck?
we have been there and have remained there by choice
That poor choice and Iraq have bankrupted your country.

Since: Mar 08

Portland, OR

#6 Oct 6, 2012
RayH wrote:
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That poor choice and Iraq have bankrupted your country.
it has cost a lot, there have been other things which hurt us economically also but definitely, those campaigns, have been painful economically, I basically agree, at least we have had the guts to confront the issue/s

I think the price of doing nothing would have cost us more in the long run, hopefully we can dig ourselves out of these money problems, Iraq is debateable but I absolutely believe with no doubt we did the right thing by going into Afghanistan

the cost of doing nothing could have been a number of more serious terror attacks by now---we have done the right thing to confront it but yes it has been very expensive---Iraq and Afghanistan have not been the only things which have hurt us in terms of money

this is the difference between you and me, I sometimes admit fault per myself and on behalf of my government but you seldom if ever do, this is one of the reasons you are not well liked in the forum, americans in general don't like people who are very opinionated who never admit wrong or responsibility
RayH

Shenzhen, China

#7 Oct 6, 2012
Leonard 68 wrote:
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it has cost a lot, there have been other things which hurt us economically also but definitely, those campaigns, have been painful economically, I basically agree, at least we have had the guts to confront the issue/s
I think the price of doing nothing would have cost us more in the long run, hopefully we can dig ourselves out of these money problems, Iraq is debateable but I absolutely believe with no doubt we did the right thing by going into Afghanistan
the cost of doing nothing could have been a number of more serious terror attacks by now---we have done the right thing to confront it but yes it has been very expensive---Iraq and Afghanistan have not been the only things which have hurt us in terms of money
this is the difference between you and me, I sometimes admit fault per myself and on behalf of my government but you seldom if ever do, this is one of the reasons you are not well liked in the forum, americans in general don't like people who are very opinionated who never admit wrong or responsibility
Has your Dollar Lama admitted wrong and apologized for being the world's largest ex-slave owner? He did own 6,000 slaves in Old Tibet. Funny how your president would meet it in the White House. Dollar did step on trash when it was shown the back door.

On the same note, you're buddies with the Japs, who still feel sorry for losing the war, but not for bombing Pearl Harbor.

Since: Mar 08

Portland, OR

#8 Oct 6, 2012
RayH wrote:
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Has your Dollar Lama admitted wrong and apologized for being the world's largest ex-slave owner? He did own 6,000 slaves in Old Tibet. Funny how your president would meet it in the White House. Dollar did step on trash when it was shown the back door.
On the same note, you're buddies with the Japs, who still feel sorry for losing the war, but not for bombing Pearl Harbor.
you are utterly clueless per the things you say about the Dalai Lama--so clueless

Japan and the USA are friends, we remember Pearl Harbor but it is moving out of our short memory time frame as a country, we are also friends with Germany

we get over stuff after 50-60 yrs unlike China and some middle eastern countries that are still upset about things that happened many hundreds of years ago---like 30 generations ago---silly!

an enemy does not have to stay an enemy forever and the same with a friend
RayH

Shenzhen, China

#9 Oct 6, 2012
Leonard 68 wrote:
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you are utterly clueless per the things you say about the Dalai Lama--so clueless
Japan and the USA are friends, we remember Pearl Harbor but it is moving out of our short memory time frame as a country, we are also friends with Germany
we get over stuff after 50-60 yrs unlike China and some middle eastern countries that are still upset about things that happened many hundreds of years ago---like 30 generations ago---silly!
an enemy does not have to stay an enemy forever and the same with a friend
Yes, there are still a lot of people in China and Koreas mad at the Japs, due to their wrong attitude on the War. It's called "collective amnesia" by the Jap public and insincere apology by the Jap politicians. The classic was Jap Prime Minister Koizumi apologizing about W.W.II in 2005 at the APEC Conference, while at the very same moment 150 Jap politicians go visit the Yasukuni Shrine and the war criminals there.

Imagine the world's reaction if the Germans did the same? The German public with amnesia about the war and Prime Minister Merkel and prominent German politicians go visit Hitler's Bunker in Berlin or his birthplace in Austria.
RayH

Shenzhen, China

#10 Oct 6, 2012
Don't think folks will be too happy about that in Israel.

Since: Mar 08

Portland, OR

#12 Oct 6, 2012
RayH wrote:
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Yes, there are still a lot of people in China and Koreas mad at the Japs, due to their wrong attitude on the War. It's called "collective amnesia" by the Jap public and insincere apology by the Jap politicians. The classic was Jap Prime Minister Koizumi apologizing about W.W.II in 2005 at the APEC Conference, while at the very same moment 150 Jap politicians go visit the Yasukuni Shrine and the war criminals there.
Imagine the world's reaction if the Germans did the same? The German public with amnesia about the war and Prime Minister Merkel and prominent German politicians go visit Hitler's Bunker in Berlin or his birthplace in Austria.
I hear you and understand but Japan lost many people in WW II also,

those young jap boys were just doing what the military and their leaders told them to do

many jap boys got sent back home dead to mom and dad just like in USA, Russia, China, all over the world

in america we totally see Japan as the aggressor in WW II but some japs say the usa started it that we fired first which to me seems ridiculous,

some japanese say we started it by placing an embargo or something like that against them-- at least I can see why some might see that as a war type of provocation by the USA which caused the attack on Pearl Harbor.

overwhelmingly though, virtually all americans see our involvement in WW II as being caused by the Japanese sneak attack on Pearl Harbor---some say our president left the ships there are on purpose knowing the japs were coming blah blah blah,

regardless, they attacked us
RayH

Guangzhou, China

#13 Oct 7, 2012
Leonard 68 wrote:
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I hear you and understand but Japan lost many people in WW II also,
those young jap boys were just doing what the military and their leaders told them to do
many jap boys got sent back home dead to mom and dad just like in USA, Russia, China, all over the world
in america we totally see Japan as the aggressor in WW II but some japs say the usa started it that we fired first which to me seems ridiculous,
some japanese say we started it by placing an embargo or something like that against them-- at least I can see why some might see that as a war type of provocation by the USA which caused the attack on Pearl Harbor.
overwhelmingly though, virtually all americans see our involvement in WW II as being caused by the Japanese sneak attack on Pearl Harbor---some say our president left the ships there are on purpose knowing the japs were coming blah blah blah,
regardless, they attacked us
Finally I agree with you on something: they're called "Japs."
William Lam

Canada

#14 Apr 23, 2013
China is suffering from an earthquake in Sichuan now. Japan's tricks are low!

While China is busy in rescuing the victims of the earthquake, and the whole country is being sad, Japan plays its tricks again. They show their two faces again.

On the one hand, Prime Minister Abe and his miniters said they wanted to offer help. They wanted to help because they were eager to pay back the goodwill and generous assistance China had offered them when Japan suffered from natural disasters.

In the same time, they mobilised the right-wing organizations to go to the Diaoyu Islands, and also worship the war criminals (their national heroes) in the "Toilet" Shrine.

Apparently, these 2 moves are results of planning and organization by the government of Japan. They are organized to appease the Japanese people and also to assert their alleged sovereignty on the islands.

Eighty right-wing militarists from several organizations joined the campaign of "scientific research" in the Diaoyu area. The right-wing fishing boats were escorted by 10 Japan Coast Guard ships which arrived at 8 a.m.

China have 3 CMS ships within the 12 nautical miles of the islands all the time. Upon knowing that the Japanese are approaching the island, China dispatched 7 more CMS ships, and 2 fishery patrol ships to expel the Japanese. China's action was quick and the reinforcement was already awaiting the Japanese intruders when the latter arrived. The 8 China CMS and 2 fishery patrol ships formed 5 teams in carrying out the interception and expulsion.

China's new CMS ships were faster than the Japanese right-wing boats. China's interference into the campaign of right-wingers was very effective. China expelled them and chased them away from the 12-nautical miles line at which point China ships stopped chasing. The Japanese have apparently miscalculated and they have probably underestimated China's commitment and expulsion efforts.

The 10 Japanese Coast Guards and the right-wing fishing boats left the 12-nautical mile zone and returned to Japan after an encounter with Chinese ships for 30 minutes.

The Japanese govt and the right-wingers were too "smart" and thought China would just protest and put up with their intrusion.

This time Japan has suffered a major setback in the Diaoyu Islands. Japan has gained nothing from their tricks. It shows to the world that they have no effective control of the islands.

The Chinese communities in the mainland and all over the world are happy, and have given Beijing their support.

The Chinese ships are still patrolling in the Diaoyu waters now.

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