denialist turks: you can run but can not hide

[Fair Dinkum]

Armenia Solidarity/Nor Serount Cultural Association
PRESS RELEASE
c/o The Temple of Peace, Cathays Park, Cardiff
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Tel: [phone]

Proof of UK government deception on the Armenian Genocide over ten years

Irrefutable evidence was given today at the launch of a Legal Opinion on the Armenian Genocide in London of FCO (Foreign and Commonwealth Office) deception on the Genocide extending over ten years.

The Opinion was comissioned by a small group of independent Armenians from Wales and England called the Legal Initiative Group and produced by Geoffry Robinson QC of Doughty Street Chambers.
Mr Robinson served as first President of a UN War Crimes Court and was appointed in 2008 by the UN Secretary General, as one of the three distinguished jurist members of the UN Justice Council.
The conclusions of the document are that the treatment of Armenians in 1915 answers to the description of genocide,under the Law on Genocide,(as described in the UN Genocide convention),
The catalogue of deceit was unveiled as Mr Robinson explained that under the Freedom of Information Act, hitherto secret briefing documents were made available. These were produced by the Foreign and Commonwealth Office, and read out usually verbatim by Ministers when answering questions on the Genocide in the House of Lords and the House of Commons since 1999.

The evidence of these documents are damning for the government. Many times ministers repeated the mantra that "Neither this government nor previous governments have judged that the evidence is sufficiently unequivocal to persuade us that these events
should be considered as genocide.."( the last time by Lord Malloch-Brown in response to a question by Baroness Finlay of Llandaff in the House of Lords at the request of Armenia Solidarity in February 2008 ,following the desecration of the Genocide Monument in Cardiff on Holocaust Day
2008).

When asked to state what was this "evidence which was not sufficierntly unequivocal" the government failed to provide any,conforming previous accusations which Armenia Solidarity made on the 12th May 2007:

"The Rt Hon. Geoff Hoon minister for Europe is also isolated when he says that historians are divided on the issue, and when he implies that the government has consulted historians. It is known that no genocide experts (historians or otherwise) have ever been consulted by this or past UK governments.Mr Hoon would be hard put to find any neutral historian in the UK who agrees with his statement that the evidence for the Armenian Genocide is "not sufficiently unequivocal" "Letter to the Morning Star and sent to all Labour MPs.-

Within four weeks the FCO policy had changed and references to historians being divided on the issue were discarded
Successive ministers have parroted the FCO briefing documents without question, deliberately misleading Parliament. Those implicated are Baroness Ramsay (now Deputy Speaker of the House of Lords, Lord Triesman, Geoff Hoon, and others.(Douglas Alexander,Dennis Macshane,though not quoted in the Opinion).Though not mentioned, The Rt Hon Jack Straw MP was Foreign Secretary for much of this time, and responsible as Head of the Foreign and Commonwealth Office.

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Jim Murphy is the only Europe Minister who made attempts to question the official line. Following his request to meet us in 2007(through the active and helpful MP Andrew George), we reiterated the point on historians not being divided on the issue to him at the FCO on the 16th October 2007. He subsequently asked the FCO Officials to provide the evidence.

The result was that in an amateurish way the officials looked for the names of three historians on each side of the arguament, with no mention of the conclusions of the International Association of Genocide Scholars and the international enquiry by the UN 's Economic and Social Council conducted by its special Raporteur on Genocide, Ben Wittacker(a British barrister and former MP) The denialist historians which they quoted included one obscure professor from an obscure American University and aother Professor who had been shown to have benifited from Turkish government finance.

The third, Bernard Lewis probably came to their attention after he was prosecuted for Genocide Denial in Switzerland
These documents show that fear of antagonising Turkey was the main concern of the government, with quotes such as " Turkey is neuralgic"(ie mentallly unstable) about the Genoccide issue. They also admit in diplomatic language that they have been disonest: "Her Majesty's Government is open to criticism in terms of the ethical dimension. But given the importance of our relations ... with Turkey, the current line is the only feasable option"
The conclusion of the report states that the advice provided by the FCO to the UK government, and reproduced by ministers in parliament when answering questions,reflects neither the Law of Genocide nor the demonstrable facts of the massacres in 1915-16, and has been calculated to mislead parliament into believing that there has been an assessment and an excercise of judgment on that evidence.

" HMG's real and only policy has been to evade truthful answers to questions about the Armenian Genocide, because the truth would discomfort thje Turkish government".... " Times change,... but the
universal crimes of genocide and torture have no statue oif limitations.

Judge Balthazar Garzon, in opening his investigation of the crimes of the Franco era, declared that the perpetrators should have no posthumous impunity.:the same may be said of the authors of the Armenian Genocide."

Copies of the Legal Opinion are available from Doughty Street Chambers
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Dirty Bucket (Aka Kirlikovali and sewer rat), Usun Hasan (aka Uzun Esheg), Cola Turka (aka Cholera Turka) Laughing Hyena (aka Missing tooth vulpis)and other weasels, WHERE ARTH YOU, your genius historian, what's his name? Ay yeah, Bernard Lewis gets a mention too in the above report.

Come forward and enjoy.

[Dander]

I wonder if G. Robinson would entertain the idea of running one of his HYPOTHETICALS on the subject?

[Dardanelli]

Fair Dinkum wrote:

Jim Murphy is the only Europe Minister who made attempts to question the official line. Following his request to meet us in 2007(through the active and helpful MP Andrew George), we reiterated the point on historians not being divided on the issue to him at the FCO on the 16th October 2007. He subsequently asked the FCO Officials to provide the evidence.
The result was that in an amateurish way the officials looked for the names of three historians on each side of the arguament, with no mention of the conclusions of the International Association of Genocide Scholars and the international enquiry by the UN 's Economic and Social Council conducted by its special Raporteur on Genocide, Ben Wittacker(a British barrister and former MP) The denialist historians which they quoted included one obscure professor from an obscure American University and aother Professor who had been shown to have benifited from Turkish government finance.
The third, Bernard Lewis probably came to their attention after he was prosecuted for Genocide Denial in Switzerland
These documents show that fear of antagonising Turkey was the main concern of the government, with quotes such as " Turkey is neuralgic"(ie mentallly unstable) about the Genoccide issue. They also admit in diplomatic language that they have been disonest: "Her Majesty's Government is open to criticism in terms of the ethical dimension. But given the importance of our relations ... with Turkey, the current line is the only feasable option"
The conclusion of the report states that the advice provided by the FCO to the UK government, and reproduced by ministers in parliament when answering questions,reflects neither the Law of Genocide nor the demonstrable facts of the massacres in 1915-16, and has been calculated to mislead parliament into believing that there has been an assessment and an excercise of judgment on that evidence.
" HMG's real and only policy has been to evade truthful answers to questions about the Armenian Genocide, because the truth would discomfort thje Turkish government".... " Times change,... but the
universal crimes of genocide and torture have no statue oif limitations.
Judge Balthazar Garzon, in opening his investigation of the crimes of the Franco era, declared that the perpetrators should have no posthumous impunity.:the same may be said of the authors of the Armenian Genocide."
Copies of the Legal Opinion are available from Doughty Street Chambers
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This is just another playboy material having great value in toilets, doing nothing but makes dheads like you happy!!

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Dander wrote:

I wonder if G. Robinson would entertain the idea of running one of his HYPOTHETICALS on the subject?

That's a great idea. The panel members could include:

Kilri
Missing tooth Hyena
Cholera
Sewer Can
Osourelli (aka dardanelli)

Great circus show!

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Dardanelli wrote:

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This is just another playboy material having great value in toilets, doing nothing but makes dheads like you happy!!

I know, I know, truth hurts, osourelli

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The author of the report is Geoffrey Robertson QC (Queens Counsel)a world renowned barrister.

His website:

http://www.geoffreyrobertson.com/

A formidable candidate on our side to screw the TR well and truly when the time comes.

[Dardanelli]

Fair Dinkum wrote:

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I know, I know, truth hurts, osourelli

The truth lies in British Archieves and they know the truth and STILL DO NOT RECOGNISE IT!!

If I were in that panel I would have finished them.

And my offer would be like , lets dig syrian deserts, if we find 1.5 million armenian bones I will stick them in my own , if not , oscar would go to this guy's cute axx!

Do yo think he would accept it ? hahaha!!

[vatchakan]

Dardanelli wrote:

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The truth lies in British Archieves and they know the truth and STILL DO NOT RECOGNISE IT!!
If I were in that panel I would have finished them.
And my offer would be like , lets dig syrian deserts, if we find 1.5 million armenian bones I will stick them in my own , if not , oscar would go to this guy's cute axx!
Do yo think he would accept it ? hahaha!!

Do not worry your time will come. Meanwhile prepare your derier.

[Dardanelli]

vatchakan wrote:

<quoted text>Do not worry your time will come. Meanwhile prepare your derier.

We are waiting our time (!) for some like 100 years, but we couldn't see anything, will I be able to see it ?

[vatchakan]

Dardanelli wrote:

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We are waiting our time (!) for some like 100 years, but we couldn't see anything, will I be able to see it ?

It is never too late! We Armenians measure in millennial time frame.You Turks a simply the latest invaders, we have had others before, no one remembers who they were. The same will happen to you.

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Dardanelli wrote:

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We are waiting our time (!) for some like 100 years, but we couldn't see anything, will I be able to see it ?

You wouldn't know if your ass was on fire, imbecile!

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Here is an extract from Geoffrey Robertson's conclusion:

".... should the same events occur today, in any country with a similar history to that of Turkey in 1915, there can be no doubt that the Genocide Convention would be engaged and would require prosecutions for that crime as well as for crimes against humanity.

I consider that parliament has been routinely misinformed, by ministers who have recited FCO briefs without questioning their accuracy. HMG's (Her Majesty's Government - my note) real and only policy has been to evade truthful answers to questions about the Armenian genocide, because the truth would discomfort the Turkish government. It can be predicted that any future question on the subject will be met with the same meaningless formula about "insufficiently unequivocal evidence:, disguising the simple fact that HMG will not now come to terms with an issue on which it was once so volubly certain, namely that the Armenian massacres were a "crime against humanity" which should never be forgiven or forgotten. Times change, but as other civilised nations recognise, the universal crimes of genocide and torture have no statute of limitations.

Judge Balthazar Garzon, in opening his investigation of the crimes of the Franco era, declared that their perpetrators should have no posthumous impunity: the same might be said of the authors of the Armenian genocide".

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EUROPEAN ARMENIAN FEDERATION For Justice & Democracy
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B-1000 Bruxelles
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PRESS RELEASE
FRIDAY 6 NOVEMBER 2009
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THE EUROPEAN ARMENIAN FEDERATION CALLS UPON THE UK GOVERNMENT TO RECOGNISE THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE

IN HIS RECENTLY LAUNCHED REPORT, GEOFFREY ROBERTSON QC CALLS UPON UK TO GIVE AN END TO THE BRITISH POLICY OF DENIAL REGARDING THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE

HE DENOUNCES THE WAY THE FOREIGN OFFICE DELIBERATELY MISLED FOR YEARS THE BRITISH MINISTERS, MPS AND PUBLIC OPINION ON THIS
ISSUE

Internationally-recognised human rights lawyer Geoffrey Robertson QC released a legal opinion slamming the Foreign and Commonwealth Office
(FCO) for having deliberately misled the British Ministers,Parliament and People about the Armenian Genocide.

Taking ground on the declarative value of the 1948 Convention, Mr Robertson categorically rejects the foundations of the official British position which are deceitfully supported by the FCO and especially the allegation according to which there is no written document giving evidence of any governmental decision to exterminate the Armenians.

With the help of the jurisprudence from the International Criminal Tribunals for Rwanda and former Yugoslavia, Mr. Robertson recalls that such documents are absolutely not required in
establishing the genocidal intent and that it is generally impossible to provide these kinds of documents, even for the Holocaust.

On this point, the lawyer blasts the FCO's manipulation which would require `sufficiently unequivocal evidences', as a `meaningless' concept forged to be never complied with and which encroaches the clear principles of both the civil and criminal standard of proof.

Examining the FCO's internal documents, Mr Robertson shows that by appeasing the Turkish State's campaign of denial, the genuine concern of British diplomacy is `to evade truthful answers because the Truth would discomfort' Turkey where UK has economical interests, Turkey being `neuralgic' to the whole genocide issue.

Mr. Robertson ends his analysis by recommending the UK to end this denial policy and by clearly calling upon it to recognise the Armenian Genocide. Mr Robertson concludes `_if these same events occurred today, in a country with a history similar to Turkey's in 1915, there can be no doubt that prosecutions for genocide would be warranted and indeed required by the Genocide Convention'._

The legal opinion shows that in giving priority to economical considerations, the FCO departed from its mission and severely warped its objectives.

« If true, the United Kingdom must seriously discipline this administration' stated Laurent Leylekian.`This is the international credibility of UK as a State of Law which is challenged
by this legal opinion' he added.

Furthermore, this study is an outstanding disavowal of the official British position about the Armenian Genocide.

`We call upon the British government to recognize the Armenian Genocide and to clearly state that this recognition by Ankara is a condition for the continuation of the negotiations between Turkey and
the EU' concluded Leylekian.

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Deafening silence by denialist a/holes!

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Dander wrote:

I wonder if G. Robinson would entertain the idea of running one of his HYPOTHETICALS on the subject?

sup cossy go back to Australian forum before get banned again.He pops up like a mushroom.may god give him redneck fleas amen.

[Saint Right Advice]

May god give peace to all people of the world.

[Uzun Hasan]

Fair Dinkum wrote:

Dirty Bucket (Aka Kirlikovali and sewer rat), Usun Hasan (aka Uzun Esheg), Cola Turka (aka Cholera Turka) Laughing Hyena (aka Missing tooth vulpis)and other weasels, WHERE ARTH YOU, your genius historian, what's his name? Ay yeah, Bernard Lewis gets a mention too in the above report.
Come forward and enjoy.

Fair d/head,
what 're u barking again?

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Uzun Hasan wrote:

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Fair d/head,
what 're u barking again?

Ha! Welcome back Usun esheg

Where were you hiding? Under the mattress?

Have nothing to say now? Cat got your tongue?