Erdogan apologizes over DERSIM genocide.

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Dander

Sydney, Australia

#1 Nov 23, 2011
Turkey Dinner

Burbank, CA

#2 Nov 23, 2011
Didn't this fool proclaim not long ago that Turks are incapable of committing massacres?

Now he apologizes for committing something they are incapable of committing. Turkish logic in action.
Dander

Sydney, Australia

#3 Nov 23, 2011
Turkey Dinner wrote:
Didn't this fool proclaim not long ago that Turks are incapable of committing massacres?
Now he apologizes for committing something they are incapable of committing. Turkish logic in action.
I think he is very cool and calculating in what he says.
He is trying to distance Islam from all killings and Genocides by dumping them onto FAKE JIHADIST CUP mentality which still forms the DEEP STATE in turkey.
Right now Abdullah Gul is attending a dinner in London hosted by Boris Johnson, whose great grand father ALI KEMAL (ottoman interior minister who was advocating justice for Christian massacres in Anatolia) was lynched and even his trousers were stolen by Kemalist CUP remnant terrorists.
Do you think this invitation was possible without an apology from the TR state at the highest level?

“Hankchetsek took antor nahadag”

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#4 Nov 25, 2011
I think that since he proved denial is only worth the time it takes till recognizing is worth more, in just by recognizing only Dersim, a rat, weasel like him spitefully planned by not recognizing the Armenian genocide as well it would be outstandingly noticeable.

Since: Sep 09

ISTANBUL

#5 Nov 25, 2011
The Alana Kalana Project wrote:
I think that since he proved denial is only worth the time it takes till recognizing is worth more, in just by recognizing only Dersim, a rat, weasel like him spitefully planned by not recognizing the Armenian genocide as well it would be outstandingly noticeable.
There was no armenian Genocide in the History.There was only ""the genocide of the Truths""by Liar-menians :=)
who cares Liar-menian lies...heheheheehe
Lambroni Ardziv

Houston, TX

#6 Nov 25, 2011
Dander wrote:
http://www.topix.com/world/tur key/2011/11/turkish-pm-apologi zes-over-1930s-killings-of-kur ds
Sign of things to come!
like the APOSTLE DOUBTING THOMAS i will belive it when i see it Verch
Turkey Dinner

Burbank, CA

#7 Nov 25, 2011
OguzTolga wrote:
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There was no armenian Genocide in the History.There was only ""the genocide of the Truths""by Liar-menians :=)
who cares Liar-menian lies...heheheheehe
Why waste your time, making yourself look like an idiot?

A Turk talking against the Armenian Genocide may be a "hero" in Turkey, but is the laughing stock in the rest of the world. You might as well check into the zoo, chimpanzee section.

“ThisIsExactlyThi rtyCharacters.”

Since: Dec 08

Haiti -- Arcade Fire

#8 Nov 26, 2011
Erdogan HAD TO apologize for the Dersim Genocide. As Dander says, it is totally cool and calculated:
Everyone who knows anything knows that AKP only came to power because it "consolidated" the Kurds successfully using the overarching "Islamic identity". AKP played the game so smoothly in addressing Kurdish issues *just enough* to keep Kurdish support whilst not doing ANYTHING effectively to ensure that the Turkish voting base knows it's just a ploy.

But the Zazas are another story. They just don't "buy into" any of that Islamic identity crap. For one thing, they are ALEVI. And, the biggest threat to AKP is from the ALEVI population, Turk or Kurd or Zaza. That is why CHP played the last election with Kilicdaroglu, an Alevi who happens to be from DERSIM too, and whose family spoke either Kurmanji or Zazaki, although Kilicdaroglu himself says they were "Kurdified, originally Turkmen" in order not to offend his Kemalist voting base. For obvious reasons, it was CHP's best shot. As an aside, I also liked Kilicdaroglu personally.

Strangely, although many Zaza keep to a Zaza identity that is INDEPENDENT of an "overarching Kurdish identity" (see, groups can get into subgroups just dividing and dividing ad infinitum), they also probably form the most solid crux of the PKK. They are just real fighters, you know.

A lot of people, including Zazas themselves, and most definitely Turks and Kurds, also theorize that Zazas of Dersim are originally Armenians, at least most certainly partially Armenian. Let me relate a weird incident: I had to have my stuff moved from one apartment to another, and I accompanied the movers in their truck since I am not crazy enough to get a car in Istanbul.

It was during Ramazan, and the subject was brought up that the movers were fasting. With other small talk about "where are you from", and given my American accent along with their clearly Eastern Anatolian accent, the subject was also brought up that they were Kurdish. Eventually, skipping the interim, they expressed how much they love Erdogan and that PKK is only made up of Zazas who are "mostly Armenian SOBs".

I was in the really weird situation of defending Kurdish rights TO Kurdish people! So, I had to actively restrain my liberal American political correctness.

Even there was a Zaza guy amongst them too, not surprisingly he was the handsome one of course, as well as the smart one, and even HE said that "only the ones mixed with Armenians are the esogluesek troublemakers". Not all Zazas are Alevi, btw, but most are.

I should note too that this was not the first incident in which some Kurdish drivers (in the previous incidents it was taxi drivers) expressed their love of Erdogan to me.

BUT, on that note, understand also that whenever I had been in an Alevi driver's cab, where the Alevi was often Turkish (from Sivas for example) but in a few cases Zaza or Kurd too, the dude just hated on Erdogan profusely.

So, this is just my $0.02 on what is going on: Erdogan is playing for the Alevi vote with another disingenuous move.

Yet, it remains to be seen whether that vote will also be necessary.

Chaos is just a fact of life here. And, sometimes, I feel so used to it, that it might become my addiction.

Since: Sep 09

ISTANBUL

#10 Nov 26, 2011
Turkey Dinner wrote:
<quoted text>
Why waste your time, making yourself look like an idiot?
A Turk talking against the Armenian Genocide may be a "hero" in Turkey, but is the laughing stock in the rest of the world. You might as well check into the zoo, chimpanzee section.
hehehehhe
You lost Turks won again...
You are starving to death in misery of your CURSED Future of your traitor betrayer nation..
Keep going ,you have only a century more on the earth ..

heheheheeh

Noone cares what you are slandering about the Turks.Even your nations scares to talk about it.Because they know well thsat ""THERE WAS NO GENOCIDE""

“Hankchetsek took antor nahadag”

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#11 Nov 26, 2011
Sezi wrote:
Erdogan HAD TO apologize for the Dersim Genocide. As Dander says, it is totally cool and calculated:
.
Yes my friend, I totally agree "cool" is one adjective, another one would be "slick". lol

Like as I mentioned already in another thread, my take on what prompted his public apology along with his recent back flip from being pro/assad to anti/assad is all part of his act that brings him that much closer to Europe, and insures him a good standing with the US.

His t-shirt now reads "new sheriff of the middle east," and it only took his kissing a whole lot of Arab, EU, and US azz to get him one.

I am sure you are aware I can't stand the pompous, far from diplomatic, azz. Not only do I find his apology remorseless, but the closest thing to a big,fat bribe as it is going to get.

I think the gig was officially up, when it was evident a good part of his speech was spent condemning his opposition.

I think he believes this also a magic carpet ride right into the European Union.

But still disgustingly just another attempt to avoid recognition of the Armenian genocide. Selecting the one historical fact that most Turks don't deny happened to apologize for, is safe, neat, and painless.

I know you could say not again with Armenian genocide, and does everything have to begin, meet, and end with it as well? ;) But after removing my having a biased factor here, you can see just how pertinent his action to not include Armenian Genocide in his apology is to his crediabilty.

Big loser should be the caption under his pic the next time they put him on the cover of Time..

:)

“Hankchetsek took antor nahadag”

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#12 Nov 26, 2011
BTW Sezi- I really enjoyed reading your story, and learning about the connection Armenians had with Dersim. ;)
Jda

Union City, CA

#13 Nov 26, 2011
I have an Armenian friend whose father's family escaped first the Genocide then the Dersim attacks. There were many Armenians there, some recently hidden, some amongst Alevi groups for centuries.

If i recall correctly, Ataturk's orphaned Armenian daughter bombed Dersim. She was celebrated as the first Turkish female fighter pilot, but was actually an Armenian Genocide orphan who proudly bombed innocent civilians like her own true parents. Analogous to having the CHP party boss, a Dersimli, lead the party whose demigod founder killed his ancestors.

In the US we say that politics makes odd bedfellows. We have no idea what that phrase means.

Since: Sep 09

ISTANBUL

#14 Nov 27, 2011
Vampire Liar-menians and ""Science/History CROSS"""
LiArmenians are not able to do anything..
They are the slaves of their past lies...
They even afraid of talking about the so-called fcukken Genocide..
They are afraid of Science,history ..
hahahahah
See this;
""""" PARIS—The Armenian Revolutionary Federation Central Committee of France on Saturday issued a statement calling on President Nicolas Sarkozy to condemn his foreign minister’s proposal to establish a commission that would study the Armenian Genocide, Nouvelles Armenie reported.""" """
Science and Justice always scared Liar-menian vampires as Crosses........
Liar-menian vampires always panic when they see ""Historians' Commision for the So-called Genocide allegations"""
hahahaahah
Crooss is Science
Vampires are Liar-menians...
Just like Prof.Hovanissian says""we can not prove anything about the Armenian Genocide if we go to work as a Historians
why?
You can use this opportunity to be enlighted about the lie which made you a slave of Diaspora and a lie...
You can ask to your Museum in Yerevan if they have a single original document to issue or show about the genocide.
The Diaspora

San Jose, CA

#15 Nov 27, 2011
To all those Turks commenting on this forum ....

You will one day meet you maker and will have to answer to the all mighty what you did to Armenian children, women,&#65279; elderly and other non combantant people living under your governents rule...

Ask your grandparents and look them in their eyes when they answer...ask them how many Armenians they killed or whatched their neighbors kill and rape...

Go ahead ask them. by denying the Armenian genocide you are dipping your hand in the blood of murder...
Serzh

Toronto, Canada

#17 Nov 28, 2011
Recovery of Armenia and saving the Kurds from another genocide is the duty of the Western civilization.
The Armenian Genocide is not just an Armenian issue.
It is a key issue relevant to the European civilization and its values.
That civilization will not be permitted to be undermined by Turkish state terrorism or Genocide Denialism.
Turkey or any other state taking such a position will be dismantled.

The Turkish republic is legally the successor state to the Ottoman state. It is entirely responsible for the Genocide.

The time factor has no relevance in International Law (this relates to state responsibility and not the criminals who are all dead now of course).

Genocide denialism must be halted. There is no place for such international criminality.
Dardanelli

Istanbul, Turkey

#18 Nov 28, 2011
The Diaspora wrote:
To all those Turks commenting on this forum ....
You will one day meet you maker and will have to answer to the all mighty what you did to Armenian children, women,&#65279; elderly and other non combantant people living under your governents rule...
Ask your grandparents and look them in their eyes when they answer...ask them how many Armenians they killed or whatched their neighbors kill and rape...
Go ahead ask them. by denying the Armenian genocide you are dipping your hand in the blood of murder...
We asked them, and they told how Armenians allied and backstabbed Ottoman Empire, how they massacred Turks and Kurds!!
Dardanelli

Istanbul, Turkey

#19 Nov 28, 2011
Serzh wrote:
Recovery of Armenia and saving the Kurds from another genocide is the duty of the Western civilization.
The Armenian Genocide is not just an Armenian issue.
It is a key issue relevant to the European civilization and its values.
That civilization will not be permitted to be undermined by Turkish state terrorism or Genocide Denialism.
Turkey or any other state taking such a position will be dismantled.
The Turkish republic is legally the successor state to the Ottoman state. It is entirely responsible for the Genocide.
The time factor has no relevance in International Law (this relates to state responsibility and not the criminals who are all dead now of course).
Genocide denialism must be halted. There is no place for such international criminality.
We are the successor of Ottoman Empire surely.

But genocide lie of Armenians have zero scientific base. So you have no chance.

Even in the middle of europe, 1990s Muslims genocided by Serbians, it was real, valid, scientifically proved, it is after 1948, it was surely after Genocide definition accepted by UN , what happened ?

Nothing. Because killed ones were Muslims!!

If Bosnians were killed Christian Serbians, it would surely accepted as Genocide!!:)

So with zero evidence, you can only be the loser!!
Dardanelli

Istanbul, Turkey

#22 Nov 28, 2011
The Diaspora wrote:
To sweep Genocide under the rug in the guise of "Everyone's killed everyone" is incomprehensible and beyond even the worst of anyone's imagination.
To suggest that to sadistaically and barbarically wipe an entire people is the same thing as "everyone's killed everyone" is the brain child of either someone very young, or someone who lacks humanity.
It's quite surprising the passion that many Turks appear to have for defending a genocide. Because they know that their grandfathers are guilty.
Nope, we know that armenians are liars, we simply call them liarmenians!!:)
Dardanelli

Istanbul, Turkey

#23 Nov 28, 2011
Barbarically wipe ? Yes indians wiped out by barbarians of usa!!
Dander

Sydney, Australia

#24 Nov 28, 2011
Dardanelli wrote:
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Nope, we know that armenians are liars, we simply call them liarmenians!!:)
That is natural for a coward GENOCIDE denialist.
You also called DERSIM as tunceli, hoping that it would go away out of your dark history,
BUT IT DID NOT.
Are you scared, you little turk?

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