Albanians celebrate 100 years of independence

Nov 30, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: SETimes news

Hundreds of thousands of Albanians took the streets and the squares on Wednesday to celebrate the 100th anniversary of independence.

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West base on liberalism-multiculturalism.

Albania will have development and will join eu only if become west country.
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I hope so. Albania will be the true break trough for all muslim people. I know many Albanian people and I wish them well. I hope they can respect us and we can respect them. This way the process starts locally rather than artificially.
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West base on liberalism-multiculturalism.
Albania will have development and will join eu only if become west country.
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Itīs only a matter of time before Albanias will celebrate their liberation of the fyromian occupation.

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The Albanization of FYROM wrote:
Itīs only a matter of time before Albanias will celebrate their liberation of the fyromian occupation.
Macedonia will dissolve only if base on nation, and only if the separatists want to make liberal-multicultural country.

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The Albanization of FYROM wrote:
Itīs only a matter of time before Albanias will celebrate their liberation of the fyromian occupation.
Skopje is half Albanian lands,the city is divided in two parts,brainwasged bulgarians and albanians.The same starts are in whole Fakedonia.They don't realize it but Albania is right behind their neck,in their country,politics and so on.It's a matter of time,Fakedonians have to give back everything stolen from Bulgaria to the Bulgarians,so we can help them reach the EU and NATO or they will die in hell by Albanian hand.Both options works good for me.
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Equality,Civility and Justice!
Macedonia has little to do I think, but Grexit will be deleted soon if continues to oppress minorities within its state borders. Grexit is an embarrassment for EU, NATO an UN. Such Grexit dictatorial state desrves to be put to an end for the sake of peace and stability of the region and the Europe as the whole.

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COME ON ALBANIA....!

Move in and occupy Skopje IT'S YOURS...!
"YOU HAVE GREECE SUPPORT"

Then Greece can take back Monastiri ( Bitola )...!

"IT'S ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE NEW BORDERS ARE DRAWN"
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They know it's a trap and they are not dumb about Greek promises. They created Greece and now they are just slaves there unless they sell out their heritage and become Arivantes. It's very difficult to trust Greek promises. If you want better promise history than prove it by paying back your depts first before you ask for trust.
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COME ON ALBANIA....!
Move in and occupy Skopje IT'S YOURS...!
"YOU HAVE GREECE SUPPORT"
Then Greece can take back Monastiri ( Bitola )...!
"IT'S ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE NEW BORDERS ARE DRAWN"
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peace and love wrote:
They know it's a trap and they are not dumb about Greek promises. They created Greece and now they are just slaves there unless they sell out their heritage and become Arivantes. It's very difficult to trust Greek promises. If you want better promise history than prove it by paying back your depts first before you ask for trust.<quoted text>
Trust is a two way street. The indigenous Greeks have some serious concerns that a civil war leading to a coup will erupt between immigrants and Greeks.

"While the Albanian Prime Minister, Sali Berisha of Albania considers territories across the continent to Preveza and the mayor of Corinth organized events to celebrate the 100 years of independence of Albania and thus 100 years of slavery in Northern Epirus, at the same time one 20 year old Albanian in Possession lowered the Greek flag from the Church of St. Demetrius, defiling it with the slogan: "This is not Greece this is Albania" and then threw the flag on the stairs."
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Trust is a two way street or its worthless. I don't think war or border changes are necessary or productive to the region as a whole. What is best for everybody is equal civil rights, respect and working together. Not that Macedonia is perfect but I can confidently say that they have made the biggest stride toward that goal. And I am proud of them for that.
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Trust is a two way street. The indigenous Greeks have some serious concerns that a civil war leading to a coup will erupt between immigrants and Greeks.
"While the Albanian Prime Minister, Sali Berisha of Albania considers territories across the continent to Preveza and the mayor of Corinth organized events to celebrate the 100 years of independence of Albania and thus 100 years of slavery in Northern Epirus, at the same time one 20 year old Albanian in Possession lowered the Greek flag from the Church of St. Demetrius, defiling it with the slogan: "This is not Greece this is Albania" and then threw the flag on the stairs."
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peace and love wrote:
Trust is a two way street or its worthless. I don't think war or border changes are necessary or productive to the region as a whole. What is best for everybody is equal civil rights, respect and working together. Not that Macedonia is perfect but I can confidently say that they have made the biggest stride toward that goal. And I am proud of them for that. <quoted text>
The current political climate in Greece and other parts of Europe show otherwise. The way things are going Greeks are anticipating the military step in to restore order before a civil war breaks out. History has shown us that martial law has been imposed during conflicts and in cases of occupations, when there are extensive riots and protests, or when the disobedience of the law becomes widespread. Greece is a country that has almost 11 million people, and three million are immigrants; subsequently the problem becomes a matter of national security.
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The current political climate in Greece and other parts of Europe show otherwise. The way things are going Greeks are anticipating the military step in to restore order before a civil war breaks out. History has shown us that martial law has been imposed during conflicts and in cases of occupations, when there are extensive riots and protests, or when the disobedience of the law becomes widespread. Greece is a country that has almost 11 million people, and three million are immigrants; subsequently the problem becomes a matter of national security.
First of all the numbers that you are appeared about 3 millions immigrands are bot correct. They are from 700.000 to 1.500.000. Nobody knows exactly because most of them are elegal among the 11.000.000 population of Greece!! Civil war, means a war between parts of the citizens of the same country, not between the elegal immigrands and the state that they elegally entered!! Furthemore i do not thing that it is good for everybody a senario like that and especially for the albanians immigrands who have works and familys and a decent life in Greece(the greek population of albania is a diffrerent issue as they are recognised, old local population and not immigrands if the last 20years).Those notes just to correct some things that are not appearing well !!!
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<quoted text>First of all the numbers that you are appeared about 3 millions immigrands are bot correct. They are from 700.000 to 1.500.000. Nobody knows exactly because most of them are elegal among the 11.000.000 population of Greece!! Civil war, means a war between parts of the citizens of the same country, not between the elegal immigrands and the state that they elegally entered!! Furthemore i do not thing that it is good for everybody a senario like that and especially for the albanians immigrands who have works and familys and a decent life in Greece(the greek population of albania is a diffrerent issue as they are recognised, old local population and not immigrands if the last 20years).Those notes just to correct some things that are not appearing well !!!
James Fearon, a scholar of civil wars at Stanford University, defines a civil war as "a violent conflict within a country fought by organized groups that aim to take power at the center or in a region, or to change government policies". "During the 1990’s the immigration problem in Greece started to have explosive dimensions due to political and economic developments in South-East Europe, but also due to the continuous conflicts in the Middle East and North Africa. An important factor which played an important role in shaping these developments was the collapse of Alia’s regime in Albania (1991) and the subsequent flow of illegal immigrants from Albania into Greece and also from other Balkan countries (Serbia, Romania, Bulgaria, FYROM) due to the political unrest that took place in the Balkans during that period. In Greece, immigration policy is facing the same inflexibility which does not solve the problem but rather functions in a fragmentary way and does not constitute a substantial effort in solving the problem."

"Organized crime, including narcotics and weapons smuggling and human trafficking, have expanded considerably over the past decade and have now become a central focus for the Greek security and intelligence services. The present report draws on data and information gained from informed sources in Greece, including police officials, intelligence service officers, coast guard command, and open sources such as Greek and foreign media accounts."

http://www.balkanalysis.com/greece/2011/06/11...
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The official numbers for the number of immigrants in Greece are skewed. There are considerably more than 1 - 1.3 million residing in the country. The country quietly has become a steppingstone for a wave of Middle East and South Asia workers fleeing job markets ravaged by years of government turmoil. In 2011, an extraordinary year because of the uprisings in North Africa, 140,980 people were detected entering the EU illegally, up 35% from the year before, according to Frontex, the EU's border-control agency. Of those, 40% came through Greece. Add the numbers who were rejected and sent back to Greece from other EU States and the population ratio surges up to 3 million which is still considered a conservative figure.
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The official numbers for the number of immigrants in Greece are skewed. There are considerably more than 1 - 1.3 million residing in the country. The country quietly has become a steppingstone for a wave of Middle East and South Asia workers fleeing job markets ravaged by years of government turmoil. In 2011, an extraordinary year because of the uprisings in North Africa, 140,980 people were detected entering the EU illegally, up 35% from the year before, according to Frontex, the EU's border-control agency. Of those, 40% came through Greece. Add the numbers who were rejected and sent back to Greece from other EU States and the population ratio surges up to 3 million which is still considered a conservative figure.
I was talking about the number of the immigrands who remained in Greece. Those are counting betwween 1 and 1.5 million legall and illegal. Civil war thow can not characterised a conflict between a State or citizens of a state and a grup of foreigners. This is not a civil war.Civil war is bewteen Turks and Kurds, Bosnians and Serbians, Brittish and irish. Not illegal immigrands against a State!! Furthermore that number of illegal immigrands has grups of so but so different ethic and religion features.

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Yes albania celebrated the 100 years of its independence and the hungry albanians crumbled for a piece of sweet !!!!!!!!!!

http://www.protothema.gr/world/article/...

http://krasodad.blogspot.gr/2012/11/welcome-t...

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FYROM almost lost the whole northeastern part of their country including Tetovo in 2001!
It's only a matter of time before the Albanians which make up 35% of their population including the rest of the muslims which make up 5% of their population destroy them!
Wait until Albania joins the EU! These FYROMOnkeys will stand no chance!
Even the EU said it that their afraid that FYROMonkeydonia will be destroyed that second Albania joins the EU!
I can't wait!
In the meantime Greece will keep vetoing them since we have the right to!

When Albania join the EU,it's all over for FYROM !
Sooner or later Albania is going to go knocking on FYROM's door.
Greece is playing the waiting game.

'Greater Albania'

With the failure of a political resolution to their problems, there is now growing support for the rebels, even among Albanian politicians.

The rebels argue that only through the use of force will Macedonian authorities be forced to satisfy their well-publicised demands - which are identical to those of the Albanian politicians in Skopje.

However, there are suspicions, not confined to the Macedonians alone, that the rebels' real aim is to carve up a slice of western and northern Macedonia and attach it to Kosovo.

Although its spokesmen insist this is a home-grown grouping, the rebels are said to be an offshoot of an old rebellious movement which gave birth to the now-disbanded Kosovo Liberation Army.

This parent group - the Popular Movement for Kosovo (LPK)- is long known to have favoured an armed struggle to bring about Kosovo's independence and the unification of Albanians, particularly those of former Yugoslavia.

'Greater Albania'...?
Where does it stop...?
After Albania occupies Skopje , will they go for Greece (EPIRUS)...?
They are lambs to the slaughter if try...!
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<quoted text>I was talking about the number of the immigrands who remained in Greece. Those are counting betwween 1 and 1.5 million legall and illegal. Civil war thow can not characterised a conflict between a State or citizens of a state and a grup of foreigners. This is not a civil war.Civil war is bewteen Turks and Kurds, Bosnians and Serbians, Brittish and irish. Not illegal immigrands against a State!! Furthermore that number of illegal immigrands has grups of so but so different ethic and religion features.
Sounds like wishful thinking on your part. It appears that you're forming beliefs and making decisions according to what might be pleasing to imagine, instead of by appealing to the evidence and reality of a situation.

A jeni shqiptare?

It sometimes helps to predict the future, by looking at similar past situations and their outcomes.

If you were to predict the outcome of a planned action based on similar actions to that being forecast you would have a methodology to work from. Any fool can see that Greece is at the precipice of revolutionary change. It's inevitable, and attempting to convince me otherwise by pointing out trivial issues concerning semantics and the etymology of terms like "civil war" won't stop the inner machinations from unfolding.
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Sounds like wishful thinking on your part. It appears that you're forming beliefs and making decisions according to what might be pleasing to imagine, instead of by appealing to the evidence and reality of a situation.
A jeni shqiptare?
It sometimes helps to predict the future, by looking at similar past situations and their outcomes.
If you were to predict the outcome of a planned action based on similar actions to that being forecast you would have a methodology to work from. Any fool can see that Greece is at the precipice of revolutionary change. It's inevitable, and attempting to convince me otherwise by pointing out trivial issues concerning semantics and the etymology of terms like "civil war" won't stop the inner machinations from unfolding.
Well i will try to exaplain to you again by my poor english that you are living in Canada ain im living in Athens were the majority of those illigal immigrands are trying to survive!! So my eye could every day see things that you are only hypothetic can claim or watching by some TV NEWS!! In any case the citouation in Greece with that immigrand problem is getting to be explosive but not by the side that you are trying to appear!! State against immigrands, immigrands agaisnt state or greeks against immigrands ir the opposite. Let me inform you that becide the attacs of NEONAZIS members or other citizens who can not stand that citouation in some areas of Athens, are attaking people who came from Albania the last years!!The balkans immigrands who are in Greece have works and familys in here and they probably continue their lives in Greece for ever. Legal immigrands. Those are in the same citouation of insicure with the other Greeks!! Illigal immigrands, Asians or N.Africans have also many kategories. People who are working and try to live, having familys, trying just to pass to Europe etc etc.These grups are not interensting about coflicts etc etc!! There are also for sure some other minority grups whci could be dabgerous for public safety!!They are maybe fanatic muslims or something else!! In any case the problem exists and needs solution because the anger of Greek population because of the crisis is getting bigger and bigger and as a society we are going back to more violent and hostile feelings and im afraid that they are going to pay the bill in a big percent in the case of a conflict!!!!Do not forget that Greece is member of NATO and EU in a very important area of south east europe, close to middle east , with still powerefull millitary forces and nobody really want to see Greece to collapse!!!
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