ALBANIANS ARE NOT ILLYRIANS- Macedonia for the Macedonians!!

[SERB]

Ok i would give you even better map of illyrians.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s130/olvio...

Did you ever heard about Pan slavic movemant called Illyrian movemant in Croatia.

And according to this maps if ONLY albanians are Illyrians, than half of Albania (meaning the Tosks and Epir) are NOT.

[adela]

The customs and lore of modern Greece
By Rennell Rodd 1892 - 294 pages

Page 28

He then endeavours to establish that the Albanians are the representatives of the ancient Illyrians and Epirots.

He finds the same sharp distinction existing in modern times between the Guegs and the Tosks, divided by the river Schkumb, which Strabo noted as existing between Illyria and Epirot in classic times, the former looking to Monastir, the latter looking south, and either mutually turning the back on the other.

The divergence between the two Albanian dialects he considers to have been prehistoric, and he assumes that their inter-relations have undergone no change, and that though the Epirots were originally of a common stock with the Illyrians.

Illyrians, Epirots, and Macedonians he looks upon as offshoots of a common race, branches of which were also to be found in Italy and in Thrace, and considers this race to have been identical with that known to the ancients as Pelasgian

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[dini]

[e-mail] ju preshndes shum

[DARDAN]

SERB wrote:

Ok i would give you even better map of illyrians.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s130/olvio...
Did you ever heard about Pan slavic movemant called Illyrian movemant in Croatia.
And according to this maps if ONLY albanians are Illyrians, than half of Albania (meaning the Tosks and Epir) are NOT.

Epirus Nova or Vetus ,i didn't see that in your mapski

[SERB]

DARDAN wrote:

<quoted text>Epirus Nova or Vetus ,i didn't see that in your mapski

Yes, you didn't. You only see todays Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia...and HALF of Albania, at the end.

So where are Illyrians ON THE MOST of their terithory ?

So don't talk anything more. SOUTH SLAVS HAVE ILLYRIAN BLOOD IN THEIR VEINS, and who cares.

[DARDAN]

SERB wrote:

<quoted text>
Yes, you didn't. You only see todays Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia...and HALF of Albania, at the end.
So where are Illyrians ON THE MOST of their terithory ?
So don't talk anything more. SOUTH SLAVS HAVE ILLYRIAN BLOOD IN THEIR VEINS, and who cares.

by another mapski in shopski ,you can't find anything in wikipidhi,goodbye son

[SERB]

This is the only truth that is CONFIRMED is this :

The origin of the Albanians has been for some time a matter of dispute among historians.

The Albanians first appear in the historical record in Byzantine sources of the late 11th century.
Very little evidence of pre-Christian Albanian culture survives and Albanian mythology and folklore as it presents itself is notoriously syncretized from various sources, especially showing Greek influence.

Regarding the classification of the Albanian language, it forms a separate branch of Indo-European, belonging to the satem group, and its late attestation, the first records dating to the 15th century, makes it difficult for historical linguistics to make confident statements on its genesis.

Studies in genetic anthropology show that the Albanians share the same ancestry as most other European peoples.
Another argument that sustains a northern origin of the Albanians is the relatively small number of words of Greek origin, even though Southern Illyria was neighboring the Classical Greek civilization and there was a number of Greek colonies along the Illyrian coastline.Several Illyrian tribes had even become bilingual early on such as the Taulantii and the Bylliones.South Illyria was called Epirus Nova by the Romans is considered to have become Greek due to colonization by Greeks and Hellenization of the natives, to the point where the Romans called it Illyria Graeca.This further supports a Northern origin for the Albanians.
The word Shqiptar, by which Albanians today refer to themselves since the Ottoman times, was recorded for the first time in the 14th century, and it appears to have been a family name (Schipudar, Scapuder, Schepuder) in the city of Drivast
To propagate the connection with Illyrians, the Albanian communist regime adopted a policy of naming people with "Illyrian" names. The reverses of three Albanian coins depict Illyrian motives: an Illyrian helmet in the 50 lekë coin issued in 2003, king Gentius in the 50 lekë coin issued in 1996 and 2000, and queen Teuta in the 100 lekë coin issued in 2000. Gentius is also depicted on the obverse of the 2000 lekë banknote, issued in 200

[SERB]

Caucasian theory

One of the earliest theories on the origins of the Albanians identified the proto-Albanians with an area of the Caucasus referred to by classical geographers as "Albania", which roughly corresponds with modern-day Azerbaijan. This theory supposed that the ancestors of the Albanians migrated westward to the Balkans in the late classical or early Medieval period. The Caucasian theory was first proposed by Renaissance humanists who were familiar with the works of classical geographers, and later developed by Francois de Pouqeville. It was made obsolete by the discovery that Albanian is an Indo-European rather than Caucasian language, but still retains currency in Balkan polemics.

Pelasgian theory

Another obsolete theory on the origin of the Albanians is that they descend from the Pelasgians, a generic term used by classical authors to denote the autochthonous inhabitants of Greece. This theory was expounded by the Austrian linguist Johann Georg von Hahn in his work Albanesiche Studien in 1854. According to Hahn, the Pelasgians were the original proto-Albanians and the language spoken by the Pelasgians, Illyrians, Epirotes and ancient Macedonians were closely related. This theory quickly attracted support in Albanian circles, as it established a claim of priority over other Balkan nations, particularly the Greeks. In addition to establishing "historic right" to territory this theory also established that ancient Greek civilization and its achievements had an "Albanian" origin. Although it is nowadays completely rejected by academics, it retains staunch support among Albanian nationalist circles for the above reasons.

[adela]

Archaeology and language, Volume 1; Volume 3
Page 232 and Page 233

By R. Blench, Matthew Spriggs - Social Science - 1999 - 301 pages

Albanian of the Caucasus: not the same as Albanian of the Balkans.

Illyrian may be ancestral to Albanian

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[adela]

By Svante E. Cornell Political Science - 2001 - 480 pages

Page 64

The area of present day Azerbaijan, known as ancient media, was invaded by Persians in the sixth century BC. By Alexander the great in the fourth century BC.

And by Romans in the first century BC. According to the Historian Strabo and Armenian chronicles until the fifth century the population of the present –day Azerbaijan was divided between a western third populated by Armenians with the Caucasian {Unrelated to the Balkan Albanians)

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[adela]

Caucasian Albanians must not to be confused with the Illyrian Albanians of modern-day Albania in the Balkans.

AVAR ETYMOLOGY

Avar
Any member of a people of undetermined origin who built an empire in eastern Europe between the Adriatic and Baltic seas and the Elbe and Dnieper rivers in the 6th–9th centuries.

Mounted nomads, possibly from Central Asia, they made the Hungarian plain the centre of their empire, from which they intervened in Germanic tribal wars, helped the Lombards overthrow allies of Byzantium, and nearly succeeded in occupying Constantinople in 626.

They also fought the Merovingians and helped push the Serbs and Croats southward towards Illyrian territories. Avar decline began in the late 7th century and culminated in the destruction of their capital by Charlemagne in 796. In the early 9th century the Avars were fully incorporated in the Carolingian empire.

Caucasian Albanians must not to be confused with the Illyrian Albanians of modern-day Albania in the Balkans. The Caucasian Albanian name could be the remnant of the Macedonian expansion towards Asia. Alexander the Great had recruited Illyrian soldiers for his campaign against Persia and later India.
Alexander the Great:

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[adela]

Pe lasgianist n. rare a student of the Pelasgian language; an advocate of Pelasgian as a link in the development of other languages. Oxford English Dictionary 2007 Albanian language as mother of other Europian languages see references

[adela]

Neither Slavs nor Serbs and Croats do not have to do with illyria. Stop baloney

[adela]

THE HISTORY OF AUSTRIA

Illyrians, people of Indo-European stock who are considered ancestors of modern Albanians, settled on the northern and eastern coasts of the Adriatic Sea. Included among them were the Dalmatians and the Pannonians.

Eventually, the ancient region of Illyria would include the western part of the Balkan Peninsula from the Danube River to Epirus.

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[Zorg Astroi]

http://www.academicmicroforms.com/illyrian-ar...

That much for sipposed Illyrian origin of the Albanians...

[Thanasi]

Zorg Astroi wrote:

http://www.academicmicroforms.com/illyrian-ar...
That much for sipposed Illyrian origin of the Albanians...

You are too dumb to understand your own post!

[adela]

The Heart of the Balkans
- Page 34

by Demetra Vaka, Houghton Mifflin Company, Riverside Press, Riverside Press ( Cambridge , Mass.)- Balkan Peninsula - 1917 - 247 pages

Albania is not only the oldest child of the Balkans, but the oldest country in Europe.

It is ancient Illyria, and has resisted or survived the Romans and the Huns, the Greeks, the Serbs and the Bulgars, and it seems quite likely that it will survive the Turks.

Yet it lacks the two great fundamentals which unite a people and make a nation of it — a common language and a common religion.

Capable of resisting aggression and of fighting fiercely and stubbornly, the Albanians have never been able — in spite of their great pride in and love for their country — to put aside their family, their tribal, and their religious feuds, in order to form a homogeneous nation.

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