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adela

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#1402
May 4, 2011
 
There was never any Greek ethnicity.

Greece was formed as a religious state, because there was no other way, all people belonging to the Orthodox faith despite belonging to a different ethnicity, and learn to speak Greek called Helen.

So, some have estimated that, when the Ottomans conquered the whole Greek territory in the 14-15th century, some 45% of it was populated by Albanians (Trudgill, 1975:6). Another wave of Muslim Albanian migrations took place during the Ottoman period, mainly in the 18th century (Trudgill, 1975:6; Banfi, 1994
ACDC

Athens, Greece

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#1403
May 4, 2011
 
adela wrote:
There was never any Greek ethnicity.
Greece was formed as a religious state, because there was no other way, all people belonging to the Orthodox faith despite belonging to a different ethnicity, and learn to speak Greek called Helen.
So, some have estimated that, when the Ottomans conquered the whole Greek territory in the 14-15th century, some 45% of it was populated by Albanians (Trudgill, 1975:6). Another wave of Muslim Albanian migrations took place during the Ottoman period, mainly in the 18th century (Trudgill, 1975:6; Banfi, 1994
This another foolish "analysis" of yours !! In fact those are propaganda stereotypes of yours!! Greek ethnicity always existed and the greek language always was in use!! About the 45% of ...albanians in Greece at 14-15c are also rubbish as those percents are not exist nowhere!! There are exixsting texts of the educated person i all period of vyzantioum who wrotte to greek language and also all the church functions were in greek language!! The names most of the populations were clearly Greek names and all that needed people who new at least the Greek language!!! About the Ottoman muslims albanians, The muslims there were about 50.000 including turkalbanias, ecpecially to Pelloponhsos. Those are almoste all killed after the declarations of Greek recolution!! The others albanians thiefs and murders who came in pelloponisos from all balcans after the greek revolution by the help of Russians at 1770, the so-called Orlofs, for 9 years (untill 1779) bucherd the greek population of pellponisos and almost destroyed it!! These albanians killled all because the renegate against the Sultan from the Hasan Pasha who hunted them untill the end!!!! Those are elements!! Yours are ...meaningless statements!!
altin

Dublin, Ireland

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#1405
May 6, 2011
 
ACDC wrote:
<quoted text>and something else, of cource the vyzantine empire was a state with several ethnicities but the paralog of this article is appearing from 2 thnigs: 1) the Greek nationalism that she said and shows the hostililty against the greek view of history and 2) that the Justinian maybe had not Greek roots as many others (nobody said that Vyzantines were all and always Greeks)there was not any chance not to have a very good knollege of the Greeks language as the Vyzantines Emperors were the Lieders of a Greek ortodox Empire where the faith was the first that everybody had to be loyel!! So when the faith and religion of that empire, the hymns and all church issues were in Greek language it would be least anbelievable for the Master of that Theocratic Empire not to know the language of the faith!!:-)) Ever the Temple that he bild and became the symbol of Konstantinople,wasnt Saint Sofia or Saint Wise, or something in Latin language etc etc BUT the pure Greek AGIA SOFIA !!!!!Other element to collapse mis Adela??? Im warming now ;-))))))
and thats the point you are not homogenous how can you be homogenous when be4 turks occupied greece 45% of population was arvanites (albanians)
genti

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#1406
May 28, 2011
 
ACDC,adela. you guys are sick and worthless.you are living not in real time.I see your comments everywhere and don't like it.you are really sick.ACDC,adela why don't you find a job?get the hell out of those forums and leave other people have a normal conversion and to share their ideas about our countries.
Skenderbeu

Doncaster, UK

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#1408
Sep 3, 2011
 
You should take your bag and leave ,
this is the true

Boston, MA

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#1410
Sep 3, 2011
 
Who does not like, let's go. It is not in your hand to give orders!!
Real illyrian

Bern, Switzerland

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#1411
Dec 26, 2011
 
Ionian wrote:
For all Albanians: It is clear that you try to connect yourselves with tha ancient tribe Illyrians....but you are failing coz the written history says that Albanians came from far east and at the time of Ancient Greece and Alexander there were no ALbanians in the area but Illyrians .
Dont try to connect Albanians with Illyrians coz nooen believes you ALbos! At those times you were living near Armenia.
I made a dna test y dna, the result is: illyrian! And yes, I am albanian ;)
Cheers
labi

London, UK

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#1412
Jan 27, 2012
 
Geo wrote:
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Why would he go to an Illyrian school when he was tutored by the greatest mind at the time?
Aristotelis the Hellenic Philosopher.
Arestotle was of the magic land of the thraco-illirian
Nikola

Macedonia

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#1413
Feb 2, 2012
 
of course, he was macedono-illyrian.
uti

Toronto, Canada

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#1414
Mar 7, 2012
 
ACDC wrote:
<quoted text>This another foolish "analysis" of yours !! In fact those are propaganda stereotypes of yours!! Greek ethnicity always existed and the greek language always was in use!! About the 45% of ...albanians in Greece at 14-15c are also rubbish as those percents are not exist nowhere!! There are exixsting texts of the educated person i all period of vyzantioum who wrotte to greek language and also all the church functions were in greek language!! The names most of the populations were clearly Greek names and all that needed people who new at least the Greek language!!! About the Ottoman muslims albanians, The muslims there were about 50.000 including turkalbanias, ecpecially to Pelloponhsos. Those are almoste all killed after the declarations of Greek recolution!! The others albanians thiefs and murders who came in pelloponisos from all balcans after the greek revolution by the help of Russians at 1770, the so-called Orlofs, for 9 years (untill 1779) bucherd the greek population of pellponisos and almost destroyed it!! These albanians killled all because the renegate against the Sultan from the Hasan Pasha who hunted them untill the end!!!! Those are elements!! Yours are ...meaningless statements!!
here comes again my little greek spanakopita. He loves to join the forums when it comes to the "GRRRREK" theme.
Like always we do not care even when you call Enver Hoxhen Enveris Hoxhaqis or Skenderbeun Jorgos Kastriotis. As a matter of fact we do not care even when we change our names to Jorgos or leshis because we all know who we are and at the end you are only our little brothers or cousins. why i say that. well i keep saying that our grand grandfathers lived wherever the fuck they wanted and they were most powerful men at the time given the fact they changed the religion. So these grandgrandfathers had needs because many were far away from their wifes. bottom line is then when the world saw that the greece was not greece any more but mostly albanians / arvanites they decided to rebuilt the greece even though the population was totally different and nothing to do withthe antic greeks.This was not difficult because the albanians even between them have a huge diversity like geg or tosk so to through some nationalism was a very easy succesful thing to do.
Ardian from Scupi

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#1415
Apr 19, 2012
 
Yes, and his mother Olimbia was Ilyrian from epir-south Albania.
Tipi_

Brooklyn, NY

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#1416
Apr 19, 2012
 
Geo wrote:
<quoted text>Why would he go to an Illyrian school when he was tutored by the greatest mind at the time?

Aristotelis the Hellenic Philosopher.
Aristotle did not exist at all. Hahahaha you're posting based on fabricated fairy tales.
Tipi_

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#1417
Apr 19, 2012
 
adela wrote:
There was never any Greek ethnicity.

Greece was formed as a religious state, because there was no other way, all people belonging to the Orthodox faith despite belonging to a different ethnicity, and learn to speak Greek called Helen.

So, some have estimated that, when the Ottomans conquered the whole Greek territory in the 14-15th century, some 45% of it was populated by Albanians (Trudgill, 1975:6). Another wave of Muslim Albanian migrations took place during the Ottoman period, mainly in the 18th century (Trudgill, 1975:6; Banfi, 1994
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ARISTON

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#1418
Jan 13, 2013
 
YES from his mom side and his fathers mom as well,

EURIDIKA. BOTH FAMILIES HAD GREAT BLOOD IN THEM

SHQIPETAR O SHQIPE, ALBANIAN THATIS
Ashley

Kill Devil Hills, NC

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#1419
Jan 14, 2013
 

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He admitted in his writing that he was Greek
Facts speak differently

Boston, MA

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#1420
Jan 14, 2013
 

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Alexander conquered Greece, how he can be Greek!

It is important tot note that the history books have not labeled Alexander Greek, and therefore he can only be Albanian. Albanian tribes are the earliest known to occupy northern Greece, and that allows Alexander only one nationality. Alexander did not have Albanian blood, he was an Albanian. To Albanians this fact seems very clear, for we have named our currency lek, after Leka I Madh.(Alexander the great)

The Barbaric war style of the Illyrians was deeply rooted in Alexander’s spirit, which is good reason for his expertise as a general and a conqueror

Also, there is the conquered territory of Alexander. When looking at a map of his advances, oddly enough Illirium and Northern Greece is not touched by his armies.
Yet, the Illyrian and Northern Greek tribes did not have armies capable of facing the Great Alexander. But Alexander considered them as one, they were all Albanian. Alexander could not possibly conquer his own land. That is why this area remained untouched.

Alexander never fully trusted the Greeks, but depended instead upon his Macedonians and Epirotes, Illyrians and Thracians, in whom he has confidence.
The Greek language was used as the international and official language of the civilized world at that time just as Latin became later, then French and now English.

Philip engaged the best teachers for Leka. He learned to speak, read and write the Greek language, when he was only 13 years old

But due to the mutual antipathy between Philip and the Greeks, those most directly responsible for Alexander's education were non-Greeks..

Especially in epirus, macedonia and illyria, made it possible for them to conserve their pelasgian identity, language, culture and traditions.

Any inquiry into early Albanian civilization leads backs to their pelasgian antecedents

The Greek city-states reached their heyday in the centuries between about 750 and 323 B.C. the period between 750 and 480 is known as the archaic age. While the years from 480 to 323 are called the classical period.

At the end of the classical period king Alexander the great conquered all of Greece as well as the Persian Empire to the cast
Facts speak differently

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Jan 14, 2013
 

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The Balkans consisted of Epirus, Mollosia, Macedonia, Illyria, shqiperia, arber, pelasgian and thrace , all speaking arbenesh (the Albanian of today)

A short time ago when American archeologist excavated the site of the capital city of Pela, they found no trace of the Greek language or culture, only that of Arbenesh, of the thrace-illyrian, the modern Albanian.

The Greeks could not speak Arbenesh, which is one of the reasons Alexander and his commander-in-chief, Klitos, the son of King Bardhylli of Illyria, did not recruit them into his army of conquest.

It would have been impossible for them to understand any order given under the circumstances.

Also, the Greeks of that time were not a free people, being subjugated Phillip, Alexander’s father hence, they were not trusted by either of them.

Reference page 35

http://www.scribd.com/doc/30538382/Albanian-A...
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Jan 14, 2013
 

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Here are 27 books and which show that Alexander the Great is Albanian

http://alexanderthegreat.wordpress.com/

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Sir William Woodthorpe Tarn, of the British Academy, regarded worldwide as having written the definitive work on Alexander the Great, states in the opening paragraph of his book Alexander the Great that "Alexander certainly had from his father (Philip II) and probably from his mother (Olymbia) Illyrian, i.e. Albanian, blood!"*

During Rose Wilder Lane's visit to Albania in 1921 resulting in the publication in1923 of her book Peaks of Shala, she heard the following rather extraordinary rendition of Albanian oral history about Alexander the Great from an Albanian elder:

http://www.frosina.org/about/infobits.asp...
Ashley

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#1424
Jan 15, 2013
 
Facts speak differently wrote:
Alexander conquered Greece, how he can be Greek!
He did not conquer Greece there was no Greece to conquer they had city states.Besides the languages the Albanians use is much closer to Latin than Greek letters, their alphabet was also adapted by the slavs.
Barbarian

Philadelphia, PA

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#1425
Jan 15, 2013
 
Yes he was both mother and Father. Alexander the Great Leak i madh son of Olympia daughter of King Irras who ruled the Milossians in Epirus. His father Philip the II of Macedon was son of Amytass the II and Eurodice Illyrian Princess. Both Amytas the II wife and Mother were illyrian and his grandmother and his great grandmother were of Illyrian origins. 100% pure Barbarian Blood. Philip the II conquered the Gay race and forced them into enslavement with only Sparta in 312BC fighting the Macedonians off. In his campaigns in Persia 2000 gayreek soldiers threw a mutiny on Alexander whom he executed.

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