albanias have nothing to do with illyrians!!!

[Max GRRR]

Very true, the Albanians have absolutely NO connection to the ancient Illyrians based on latest research, we can most probably find their origin somewhere in the Caucasus.

Some facts to consider:
a)The Albanians were never mentioned in Byzantine,(not even of the works by Constantine VII Porphyrogenitus), Arab, Armenian or any other texts before the 12th cent.

b)Language:
Albanian is classified as an IE language only because no one has been able to classify it into any other group, and this is because no one has yet studied all the Caucasus languages.
Albanian might have IE sounding words, but its basic structure and syntax are more similar to Chechen and Udish than to any IE language. Many Albanian words do sound Indo-European, because Albanian has borrowed over 80% of its vocabulary, more than any other European language.
The Chechen language is similar to Albanian. They both have similar grammar and similar sounds such as SQ, PSHQ, which are not common in any IE languages, but are very common in Caucasus languages like Chechenian.
The Albanians call themselves "Shqip-tari". This name is not Indo-European in origin and contains in it the Ural-Altaic suffix "ar" or "tar". Much like: "Khaz-AR", "Av-AR", "Magy-AR", "Bulg-AR", "Hung-AR", "Ta-TAR" - "Ship-TAR". see:
CHECHENIA=ICHQERIA
ALBANIA=SHQIPTERIA

c)Their alphabet interestingly enough, had Arabic letters until 1908 when the alphabet they use today was adopted.

d)The most ancient loanwords from Latin in Albanian have the phonetic form of eastern Balkan Latin, i.e. of proto-Romanian, and not of western Balkan Latin, i.e. of old Dalmatian Latin. Albanian, therefore, did not take its borrowings from Vulgar Latin as spoken in Illyria.

e)The Adriatic coast was not part of the primitive home of the Albanians, because the maritime terminology of Albanian is not their own, but is borrowed from different languages.

f)Another indication against local Albanian origin is the insignificant number of ancient Greek loanwords in Albanian. If the primitive home of the Albanians had been Albania itself, then the Albanian language would have to have many more ancient Greek loanwords.

g)Just a few, of the many identical place-names between Albania and Caucasus:
Albo-Arnauti -Caucasus- Arnauti

[Max GRRR]

(Turks and Balkan peoples call Albanians by this name; likely from arch. Turk: Arran)
Albo-Bushati - Caucasus-Bushati (also the name of an Albanian tribe)
Albo-Baboti - Caucasus-Baboti
Albo-Baka -Caucasus-Bako
Albo-Ballagati - Caucasus-Balagati
Albo-Ballaj,Balli - Caucasus- Bali
Albo-Bashkimi - Caucasus-Bashkoi
Albo-Bathore- Caucasus- Batharia
Albo-Bater- Caucasus- Bataris
Albo-Geg - Caucasus-Gegi, Gegeni, Geguti (Term used by Albanians in their language to denote their brethre north of the Shkumbi R.)
Albo-Demir Kapia - Caucasus-Demir Kapia (Turkish term: "iron gates"; term by which Turks refered to the Caspian Sea or arch: Albanian Sea)
Albo-Kish, Kisha...- Caucasus-Kish (Eight different toponyms in Albania begin with "kish")
Albo-Kurata,Kuratem,Kurateni(v illages)-Caucasus-Kura (river)(Nine different toponyms in Albania begin with "Kura")
Albo-Luginasi - Caucasus-Lugini
Albo-Rusani - Caucasus-Rusian
Albo-Sheshani, Shoshani, Shashani - Caucasus-Shashani
Albo-Sheshaj, Sheshi - Caucasus-Sheshleti
Albo-Skalla - Caucasus-Skaleri
Albo-Shiptari Shipyaki, Shkhepa,- Caucasus-Shkepi
Albo-Shkoder - Caucasus-Shkeder, Shked, Shkoda
Albo-Shekulli - Caucasus-Shekouli
Albo-Skuraj - Caucasus-Skuria

h) The fact that Albanian is totally alien to the Illyrian language based on the Messapic inscriptions found in tombs. So we must come to the conclusion that they either came from a different location (Caucasus theory) or the Illyrian tribes had absolutely NO ability of communicating with each other.
(that does sound stupid don't you think?)

i) The Illyrian city names mentioned in ancient times that were kept do not follow the Albanian sound change laws, suggesting that they were late borrowing from an intermediary language (most likely Romance or Slavic), rather than inherited (for example ancient Aulona should have been inherited in modern Albanian as Alor? instead of Vlore.

[Max GRRR]

j)Ptolemy in Book 5 chapter 15 titled "Location of Illyria or Liburnia, and of Dalmatia" (The Fifth Map of Europe)
Never mentions the alleged "albanopolis" that they support he has, and can be found at 46 degrees and 41 degrees 45', but when you look up what he really has writen, you find the city of Thermidava
Ptolemy's Geography can be found at :
penelope.uchicago.edu/Tha.../home.html

k) Now, when we look at apostle Bartholomew's life, we find he labored in the area around the south end of the Caspian Sea, in the section that was then called Armenia. The modern name of the district where he died is Azerbaijan and the place of his death, called in New Testament times ALBANOPOLIS!!!, is now Derbend which is on the west coast of the Caspian Sea.

l) Out of a list of 40-50 Illyrian city names known to us only 2-5 of the Albanian city names can be connected to them.

m) There is NO MEMORY!!! of the Illyrian past in the Albanian cultural heritage.

n) One of the interesting facts that connect the Albanians to the Caucasus and that they are not the descendants of the Ancient Illyrians is the Turkish name for the Albanians. "Arnauti", which means "those who have not returned" in Arabic, for the Turks were aware of the origins of the Albanians. And they truly did not return, they stayed in Serbian and Byzantine lands.

o) Hard evidence is the Turkish censuses carried out in 1455, they indicate that Albanian names are found in only 80 of the 600 villages listed in the area, and that they did not constitute territorial groups, ruling out any assumptions that zones evenly and continuously inhabited by Albanians existed at the time.

p) The first Albo dictionary was published in 1635 and contained only 5,000 words, when today any pocket dictionary contains at least 250.000 proving that their language was still under development.

q) The most interesting fact is our knowledge of the Arab conquer of the Albanian Caucasus sometime around the 7th cent based on Byzantine, Arab and Armenian sources.
They were converted to Islam and used as military troops to attack Sicily, dividing it into two parts,(hence there was the Kingdom of the two Sicilies). In order to populate their part of Sicily, the Arabs brought with them Old Albanians from the Caucasus.

[Max GRRR]

Then in 1042, the Byzantine Empire attacked the young Serbian state after having defeated the Arabs in Sicily and having brought the Sicilian Albanians under their command and christianizing them. The leader of the Byzantines who led the Albanians was named Georgius Maniakos. Maniakos brought Albanian mercenaries from Sicily to fight the Serbs and they settled in two waves in modern day Albania, first the mercenaries came, and then came the women and children. After the defeat of Maniakos, the Byzantines would not let the Albanians return, thus the Albanians requested that the Serbs let them stay on the land. They settled under mount Raban and the city of Berat and from this, the Serbs called them "Rabanasi" or "Arbanasi". The city of Berat was known as Belgrad also, before the Albanians came to settle there. They mostly tended sheep and cattle and lent themselves out to Serbian nobles as brave soldiers.

A fact to support this except the texts themselves is their flag. I'm sure you know that the Byzantine war flag was a double headed eagle on a red background.

[Max GRRR]

Soon i will have Caukas maps for you by famous encyclopedias!

[DARDAN]

Max GRRR wrote:

Soon i will have Caukas maps for you by famous encyclopedias!

do you think you can go somewhere with this crap????no nut case,here together we will crash horns....It is widely accepted that the fall of Constantinople in 1204 brought to its knees an empire which was already on its way to dissolution, notably on its Balkan edges. Three peoples displayed new vigour: the Bulgars, the Serbs and the Albanians, the frontiers between their lands remaining still fluid, especially those between Bulgaria and Serbia. Each of these peoples can be observed at a different stage in its evolution towards political and cultural autonomy. Bulgaria under the Asen dynasty, which broke with the Byzantines in 1185–7, and which gained Byzantine recognition, in 1202, of its mastery over the lands from Belgrade to Sofia, represented the resurgence of an older state, though with rather different territorial boundaries; even after two centuries of submission to Byzantium, it remained the home of distinctive political and cultural traditions which asserted its role as the major power in the Balkans, and, in consequence, implied Bulgarian rights even over Constantinople.

In Serbia, Stefan Nemanja (1170–96) had recently brought together the two old power centres of Raška and Diokleia (which corresponded to Zeta, and to modern Montenegro). Zeta, it is true, retained a strong particularist tendency, and internecine strife within the family of the Nemanjids only made this worse. On the coast, Italian influences by way of Dalmatia resulted in the temporary appearance of communes, of which the best example is that of Kotor (Cattaro), which could barely withstand the attempts of the Serb princes to absorb them in their realms. In any event, Nemanja directed a push southwards from 1183 which enabled him to place pressure beyond Niš in Macedonia; at the same time he held on to his influence on the Dalmatian coast north of Dubrovnik (Ragusa), which oscillated between Byzantine and Norman Sicilian overlordship, and southwards along the coast as far as the Mati estuary, in northern Albania
were is you contry ,you shit head!!!!

http://histories.cambridge.org/extract...

[ilir-alb]

GAYreeks have absolutely nothing to do with ancient greeks too hahah.

PropaFuckingGanda

We are the sons of Ilirianet & yes my friends & brothers, we are Freeeeeee.

[Max GRRR]

ilir-alb wrote:

GAYreeks have absolutely nothing to do with ancient greeks too hahah.
PropaFuckingGanda
We are the sons of Ilirianet & yes my friends & brothers, we are Freeeeeee.

You especially are a clean blood turk!

[Max GRRR]

DARDAN wrote:

<quoted text>do you think you can go somewhere with this crap????no nut case,here together we will crash horns....It is widely accepted that the fall of Constantinople in 1204 brought to its knees an empire which was already on its way to dissolution, notably on its Balkan edges. Three peoples displayed new vigour: the Bulgars, the Serbs and the Albanians, the frontiers between their lands remaining still fluid, especially those between Bulgaria and Serbia. Each of these peoples can be observed at a different stage in its evolution towards political and cultural autonomy. Bulgaria under the Asen dynasty, which broke with the Byzantines in 1185–7, and which gained Byzantine recognition, in 1202, of its mastery over the lands from Belgrade to Sofia, represented the resurgence of an older state, though with rather different territorial boundaries; even after two centuries of submission to Byzantium, it remained the home of distinctive political and cultural traditions which asserted its role as the major power in the Balkans, and, in consequence, implied Bulgarian rights even over Constantinople.
In Serbia, Stefan Nemanja (1170–96) had recently brought together the two old power centres of Raška and Diokleia (which corresponded to Zeta, and to modern Montenegro). Zeta, it is true, retained a strong particularist tendency, and internecine strife within the family of the Nemanjids only made this worse. On the coast, Italian influences by way of Dalmatia resulted in the temporary appearance of communes, of which the best example is that of Kotor (Cattaro), which could barely withstand the attempts of the Serb princes to absorb them in their realms. In any event, Nemanja directed a push southwards from 1183 which enabled him to place pressure beyond Niš in Macedonia; at the same time he held on to his influence on the Dalmatian coast north of Dubrovnik (Ragusa), which oscillated between Byzantine and Norman Sicilian overlordship, and southwards along the coast as far as the Mati estuary, in northern Albania
were is you contry ,you shit head!!!!
http://histories.cambridge.org/extract...

So be it, lets start from somewhere.
You are saying you are Pelasgians ehh? Ok, the next link is from the encyclopedia that universities like HARVARD, CAMBRIDGE, OXFORD and others sign.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelasgians
So, im waitting

[Max GRRR]

Ok Dardan so be it! Lets start from here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelasgians

These text is signed by famous internations Universities at the end of the page

[ilir-alb]

Max GRRR wrote:

Ok Dardan so be it! Lets start from here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelasgians
These text is signed by famous internations Universities at the end of the page

Ur mother is the turk! U guys have more relations with turks than any other race. I don't wanna argue over this & begin writing theses & proves but im gonna say just one thing

Illyria= Iliria = ilir = The best Ever = Albanian

[Max GRRR]

ilir-alb wrote:

<quoted text>
Ur mother is the turk! U guys have more relations with turks than any other race. I don't wanna argue over this & begin writing theses & proves but im gonna say just one thing
Illyria= Iliria = ilir = The best Ever = Albanian

Exactly you dont have prooves... Just Hotza brainwash! Poor albo! TURKALBANIAN leftover!

[ilir-alb]

Max GRRR wrote:

<quoted text>
Exactly you dont have prooves... Just Hotza brainwash! Poor albo! TURKALBANIAN leftover!

No "Qifkis" or whatevver Ur gay name is, I didn't say i have no proves, but i'm just lazy posting them AgaiN, it's like people see proves but they ignore them, they just wanna hear whatever they want. So if that's what u wanna hear, great for you Qiftis, but don't try to brainwash people with ur useless ideology lol

[david]

Max GRRR wrote:

<quoted text>
Exactly you dont have prooves... Just Hotza brainwash! Poor albo! TURKALBANIAN leftover!

lolllllllllllll its you again,the racist and the propagandist dont worry, its expected of you to say bull shit all the time,
we are not surprised and believe me, we know who you are,

go get a fck life,.

[adela]

Max Grrr
Wikipedia is not reliable source everyone can enter and write

[adela]

Comments on the text of Æschylus
By Francis William Newman

Page 20

Everything denotes that in religion, in habits, in art, and in language the Pelasgians were &#1084;&#1080;-Greek. Herodotus (ii. 52) learned concerning their religion in Dodona, which confirms the Homeric invocation made by Achilles, ZeC Aco&uj/oue ITf XacryiKt ! of which YieAapyiKf seems to be only a fanciful variation.

Before Hellenism became dominant in Greece, and Apollo's temple at Delphi (or Pytho) the leading oracle, notoriously the temple of Dodona was the principal sacred place, and a Pelasgian chief deity was there worshipped, though Herodotus did not know any Pelasgian name for him. Prima facie, the language of Dodona was the language of the Pelasgi.

Therefore the modern Albanian (Arnaut or Skipetari) seems to me our best representative of the ancient Pelasgian tongue.— Thucydides testifies that the language of the Chaonians was barbarous to Hellenes, and we have no reason to doubt that Chaonia, Molossia, and indeed all Epirus, spoke the language of Dodona. This is approximately the area of the Skipetari.

http://books.google.com/books...

[adela]

Public opinion, Volume 34
1903

UP to the present time the Albanians have been looked upon in Europe as the ferocious auxiliaries of the Turks and to them have been imputed the crimes which desolate the orient, but the fact is that matters are very different.

If there is a truly autochthonous race in the world it is certainly the Albanian race, as it is formed of the descendants of the Pelasgians and has kept for centuries the unique qualities of energy and intelligence which characterized its ancestors.

In the whole of Macedonia the Albanian language is spoken and the villages of Janina and Scutari are alone peopled by Albanians.

http://books.google.com/books...

[adela]

America and the great war for humanity and freedom page 46

By Willis Fletcher Johnson

THE ALBANIANS

Now let us glance for a moment at some of the present dwellers in this historic land. In the extreme west, in the mountainous region along the Adriatic Coast, are the Albanians, or Arnauts, who have the distinction of being one of the only two or three peoples in Europe who so far as we know have never migrated but have been settled where they are today ever since the dawn of history.

More than one thousand years before our era there occurred the Dorian invasion, and it was several centuries later before Greece attained the glory which made her unique among the nations of antiquity and still leaves her in memory the unrivaled wonder of the world.

But long before the Dorian invasion this whole region was occupied by what the Greeks called the Pelasgian race. The origin or the meaning of that word Pelasgian is unknown. But that was what Homer and other ancient Greeks called the people who were there before them. They have all vanished save the Albanians, who today remain the unchanging representatives of the prehistoric Pelasgians.

http://books.google.com/books...

[AlbanianPride]

Max GRRR wrote:

Very true, the Albanians have absolutely NO connection to the ancient Illyrians based on latest research, we can most probably find their origin somewhere in the Caucasus.
Some facts to consider:
a)The Albanians were never mentioned in Byzantine,(not even of the works by Constantine VII Porphyrogenitus), Arab, Armenian or any other texts before the 12th cent.
b)Language:
Albanian is classified as an IE language only because no one has been able to classify it into any other group, and this is because no one has yet studied all the Caucasus languages.
Albanian might have IE sounding words, but its basic structure and syntax are more similar to Chechen and Udish than to any IE language. Many Albanian words do sound Indo-European, because Albanian has borrowed over 80% of its vocabulary, more than any other European language.
The Chechen language is similar to Albanian. They both have similar grammar and similar sounds such as SQ, PSHQ, which are not common in any IE languages, but are very common in Caucasus languages like Chechenian.
The Albanians call themselves "Shqip-tari". This name is not Indo-European in origin and contains in it the Ural-Altaic suffix "ar" or "tar". Much like: "Khaz-AR", "Av-AR", "Magy-AR", "Bulg-AR", "Hung-AR", "Ta-TAR" - "Ship-TAR". see:
CHECHENIA=ICHQERIA
ALBANIA=SHQIPTERIA
c)Their alphabet interestingly enough, had Arabic letters until 1908 when the alphabet they use today was adopted.
d)The most ancient loanwords from Latin in Albanian have the phonetic form of eastern Balkan Latin, i.e. of proto-Romanian, and not of western Balkan Latin, i.e. of old Dalmatian Latin. Albanian, therefore, did not take its borrowings from Vulgar Latin as spoken in Illyria.
e)The Adriatic coast was not part of the primitive home of the Albanians, because the maritime terminology of Albanian is not their own, but is borrowed from different languages.
f)Another indication against local Albanian origin is the insignificant number of ancient Greek loanwords in Albanian. If the primitive home of the Albanians had been Albania itself, then the Albanian language would have to have many more ancient Greek loanwords.
g)Just a few, of the many identical place-names between Albania and Caucasus:
Albo-Arnauti -Caucasus- Arnauti

The word albanian comes direct from illyrian tribe alban (albus-latin) oh wait why i explain.

Who gives a sh!t what you say.
lool

[Gaygreece]

gaygreeks are first class Turks