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Jul 15, 2008

Bush displeased with Russian veto of Zimbabwe sanctions in UN

U.S. President George W. Bush said Tuesday he was "displeased" with Russia for blocking a UN Security Council resolution on Zimbabwe last week.

Russia and China used their UN Security Council vetoes Friday to block Western nations' proposals for sanctions against the Zimbabwe regime, which has been widely condemned over recent election violence.

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#1
Jul 15, 2008
 
Why jump all over Zimbabwe over their elections, considering the cheating that Bush did to get elected not once but twice.
Aren't elections an internal affair, or does Zimbabe have resources that the USA and others might want to sanction Zimbabwe for, down to its needs so they will give those resources up?

So what if Bush is unhappy? A lot of people in the USA (not the rich) are unhappy since he dubiously got into office.

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Jul 15, 2008
 
I guess he expected medvedev to roll over and wag his tail...

Also.. it is not exactly clear why Bush is unhappy only with Russia...when China also used its veto power to block any sanctions... I guess its not very popular (and possibly detrimental to political career) nowadays to be unhappy with China
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Jul 15, 2008
 
The problem is that Bush forgot to write his memo on his VIP stationary, the one titled: POTUS and Ruler of the Free World. LOL
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Jul 15, 2008
 

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I guess he expected medvedev to roll over and wag his tail...
Also.. it is not exactly clear why Bush is unhappy only with Russia...when China also used its veto power to block any sanctions... I guess its not very popular (and possibly detrimental to political career) nowadays to be unhappy with China
China only has to wag its finger at Wall Street and threaten to dump its dollars or float the yuan and Wall Street will fall over the precipice and into the abyss.

Bush, or at least his advisers, ain't no fools.
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Jul 16, 2008
 
The election in Zimbabwe was similar than for example the referendum where Baltic countries "voluntarlily" joined USSR.
Similar elections have been also held in recent days in Checheny and in the surrounding of it.

That is why Russia will not condemn the election in Zimbabve, as they are used to use similar "tricks" what Mugabe did to get the result of election acceptable for those who at the time of election have the power.

Russia is that huge coutry, that normal democracy there seems to be impossible. In truly democratic conditions Moscow would loose the power it has now over Russia.

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The election in Zimbabwe was similar than for example the referendum where Baltic countries "voluntarlily" joined USSR.
Similar elections have been also held in recent days in Checheny and in the surrounding of it.
That is why Russia will not condemn the election in Zimbabve, as they are used to use similar "tricks" what Mugabe did to get the result of election acceptable for those who at the time of election have the power.
Russia is that huge coutry, that normal democracy there seems to be impossible. In truly democratic conditions Moscow would loose the power it has now over Russia.
I suggest that Russia's refusal to endorse the UN resolution about Zimbabwe has nothing to do with its substance, but everything to do with its execution.

Here is a country (the US), that for years has lead an anti-Russia crusade in Eastern Europe, send its Vice-President and Secretary of State touring countries and making anti Russia rethoric, and then is suddenly asking for Russia's help!

Russia's veto was a calculated snub, no more, no less. It proves that if Washington can 'piss on' Russia, the Kremlin can do the same. How do you like it, Mr Bush ?

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Jul 16, 2008
 
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I suggest that Russia's refusal to endorse the UN resolution about Zimbabwe has nothing to do with its substance, but everything to do with its execution.
Here is a country (the US), that for years has lead an anti-Russia crusade in Eastern Europe, send its Vice-President and Secretary of State touring countries and making anti Russia rethoric, and then is suddenly asking for Russia's help!
Russia's veto was a calculated snub, no more, no less. It proves that if Washington can 'piss on' Russia, the Kremlin can do the same. How do you like it, Mr Bush ?
LOL! Bush got what he deserved.
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Jul 17, 2008
 
What does it matter that Bush is displeased? Who cares? Its time to move on. Times are changing. Bush's problems was that and continues to be he failed to read the "sign of the times".
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Jul 17, 2008
 
It's natural that American Leftists would support Russia and China in maintaining the tyranny and murder introduced to Zimbabwe by another of their friends, the Cuban communists. It's always the same and precisely why they would have Saddam Hussein still in power today.

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Jul 17, 2008
 
Miyamoto Musashi wrote:
It's natural that American Leftists would support Russia and China in maintaining the tyranny and murder introduced to Zimbabwe by another of their friends, the Cuban communists. It's always the same and precisely why they would have Saddam Hussein still in power today.
You are quite strange, pal. Do you believe West has right to interfere in others countrys affairs?
No it cant. Zimbabve is a sovereign country and interfering means was.
And again. Is Bush our elder brother to make us vote the way he want it?

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Jul 17, 2008
 
Matti wrote:
The election in Zimbabwe was similar than for example the referendum where Baltic countries "voluntarlily" joined USSR.
Similar elections have been also held in recent days in Checheny and in the surrounding of it.
That is why Russia will not condemn the election in Zimbabve, as they are used to use similar "tricks" what Mugabe did to get the result of election acceptable for those who at the time of election have the power.

Russia is that huge coutry, that normal democracy there seems to be impossible. In truly democratic conditions Moscow would loose the power it has now over Russia.
Yada, yada, yada, the Russians have the democracy they want and are running their country. And Russians would vote for PUtin today, and tommorrow as they did yesterday. They sure as heck wouldn't vote for Boris Yeltsin and his democracy which allowed the west to try and ruin Russia. So why are you worried about it. You and your good buddies the Swedes and the Baltics are all independent so why not discuss democracy with them?
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Jul 17, 2008
 
Matti wrote:
The election in Zimbabwe was similar than for example the referendum where Baltic countries "voluntarlily" joined USSR.
Similar elections have been also held in recent days in Checheny and in the surrounding of it.
That is why Russia will not condemn the election in Zimbabve, as they are used to use similar "tricks" what Mugabe did to get the result of election acceptable for those who at the time of election have the power.
Russia is that huge coutry, that normal democracy there seems to be impossible. In truly democratic conditions Moscow would loose the power it has now over Russia.
You are mising the point here. China is the biggest exporter of weapons and arms to africa and poorest countries. The more these people kill eachother the more money China makes. Perhaps russians want to get in on the action.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/50864...

Also russia may be trying to scew up US policies with this issue since US threatened to put the anti-missle shield on ships.
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Jul 17, 2008
 
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Yada, yada, yada, the Russians have the democracy they want and are running their country. And Russians would vote for PUtin today, and tommorrow as they did yesterday. They sure as heck wouldn't vote for Boris Yeltsin and his democracy which allowed the west to try and ruin Russia. So why are you worried about it. You and your good buddies the Swedes and the Baltics are all independent so why not discuss democracy with them?
Hello stupid stefanya

Russia a democracy? On a scale of 1 (most democratic) to 10 (least democratic) I would give russia 10. Courts still corrupted, journalists getting killed or committing suicide by being pushed out of high rise windows, sorry jumping out of high rise windows or escaping west. Not to mention fraud during elections.

Here is a tip. Before you write something stupid please do some research beforhand. No oil in canada was a really retarded thing to write.

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Jul 18, 2008
 
peter wrote:
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Russia a democracy? On a scale of 1 (most democratic) to 10 (least democratic) I would give russia 10. Courts still corrupted, journalists getting killed or committing suicide by being pushed out of high rise windows, sorry jumping out of high rise windows or escaping west. Not to mention fraud during elections.
But that's only your opinion, influenced by your Polish anti-Russia background.
Many people consider Russia a democracy and would laugh at your accusations and inuendos.
No Russian needs to 'escape' to the West; the borders are wide open and any Russian is free to travel.
Maybe you haven't realised it yet, but the Cold War is over... and has been for quite some times.
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Jul 18, 2008
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

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Jul 18, 2008
 
Is Russia the modern Makaveli? It seemed to have successfully tricked the West into beleiving it was dead..
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Jul 18, 2008
 
Robespierre wrote:
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But that's only your opinion, influenced by your Polish anti-Russia background.
Many people consider Russia a democracy and would laugh at your accusations and inuendos.
No Russian needs to 'escape' to the West; the borders are wide open and any Russian is free to travel.
Maybe you haven't realised it yet, but the Cold War is over... and has been for quite some times.
What the poster said was some commonly accepted facts in the free world.

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Jul 18, 2008
 
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Hello stupid stefanya
Russia a democracy? On a scale of 1 (most democratic) to 10 (least democratic) I would give russia 10. Courts still corrupted, journalists getting killed or committing suicide by being pushed out of high rise windows, sorry jumping out of high rise windows or escaping west. Not to mention fraud during elections.
Here is a tip. Before you write something stupid please do some research beforhand. No oil in canada was a really retarded thing to write.
Hey smartie.
Can you make a choice please.
Democrasy or Capitalism?
We have Capitalism. If i have money i may kill and my advocate will make me free from court ;)

It is absolutely stupid. First WEsterners want Capitalism in Russia, then they want democracy.
What else? Sharia?

Let us live in Capitalism for a while.
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Jul 18, 2008
 
Veto cant bring inflation from two million percent.Lets be fair gents. Zimbabweans wont eat veto.At least the west helped to rebuild German and Japan . Which country has the VETOS helped to rebuild the economies besides donating guns.

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Jul 18, 2008
 
VETO wrote:
Veto cant bring inflation from two million percent.Lets be fair gents. Zimbabweans wont eat veto.At least the west helped to rebuild German and Japan . Which country has the VETOS helped to rebuild the economies besides donating guns.
Zimbabwe will be absolutely ruined by sanctions and millions will die.
Thats why we made a wise decision.
Its absolutely Idiotic that western politicians care for rights in worlds most poor regions.
There will never be any rights nor democracy if situation doesnt change.
The wise decision is:
First they have to build their economy up and feed themselves then you should talk about rights.
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