Nazi propaganda to be banned in Russia

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tarmo

Tallinn, Estonia

#129 Dec 29, 2012
Alexey25 wrote:
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It`s well known that some snipiers mostly women in Chechnya came from Baltic countries.
Female biathlonists with stockings from Estonia in the Chechen War is a well-known urban myth. Kaija Parve has never been to Chechnia.
Alexey25 wrote:
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I think their personalities must be discovered and FSB agents ordered to kidnap them and carry them to Russia, where they will be brought to justice.
Justice???
Oh, you mean the soviet troikas aka death squads?
Alexey25 wrote:
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We will never forget about this anyways.
Don't be so sure.
You forgot the MRP secret protocols in less than 2 years after it was signed by Molotov and Ribbentrop. Gorbachev vehemently denied the existence of it to the last minute, while the papers were in his personal top drawer. Gorbachev was blackmailed to admit the existence of MRP only when an Estonian Soviet Congress representative threatened him to make public the initiators of the Tbilisi Massacre of 1989. And after that the Soviet Congress declared MRP secret protocols as void from the start, never even realizing that it had effectively made a death sentence to the USSR. Is there any other example from history where an occupied and annexed country manages to force the empire to admit that the occupation and annexation is void?:D

Since: Nov 09

Podolsk, Russia

#130 Dec 29, 2012
tarmo wrote:
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Who were those? The men of Shamil Bassayev?
Bassayev (and his "dream team") was an FSB agent since the start of conflicts in Abkhazia and Southern Ossetia in the early 1990s. He was conveniently eradicated by Moscow after he had served his purpose.
Another "chechen" "dream team" took part in the 2008 conflict in Southern Ossetia. Those "chechen rebels" somehow managed to get through the Roki tunnel in a plated vehicle without any hiccups and after that they started doing what they are notorious for. Nothing like that would be possible without a YES from Moscow.
You told Dudaev controlled everybody and this means he is resposible for what Basaev did.

Dudaev callled for genocide of Russian people in Chechnya and for ethnic cleansings. How about this scumbag?

I understand that you and other crap dream about the world where anybody can murder and rob a Russian without to be punished for that. The reality is diffrent. Dudaev is dea as well as Mashadov. The same will happen to Estonian dogs, who supported them.

Your country will be brought to justice one day.
I think you must taste the same medicine you give to Russians. Estonian language must be banned in future Russian Estonia.
All of your nation will go extinct.

Since: Nov 09

Podolsk, Russia

#131 Dec 29, 2012
tarmo wrote:
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I think you are speaking about the same Bassayev "dream team" and the second "dream team", both covertly emplyoed by NKVD/KGB/FSB.
You are a filthy scumbag and nothing more.
Brave FSB men died, trying to save hostages in Budenovsk.

Since: Nov 09

Podolsk, Russia

#132 Dec 29, 2012
TheRealMagyar wrote:
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Russia did 100000 times worse things to Baltic than Baltic did to Russia.
You are just a racist idiot , and an imperalist moron.
Never. Russians had got them out of caves where those barbarians lived and made them civilized.

All what is good in Estonia is made by Russian hands.

Since: Sep 12

In your mind.

#133 Dec 29, 2012
Alexey25 wrote:
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You are a filthy scumbag and nothing more.
Brave FSB men died, trying to save hostages in Budenovsk.
Those "brave" FSB men were sacrificed by their goverment for their show.

Its like those Nazis that dressed up in Polish uniforms and killed their own to frame them. Russians are no better.

Take a Chechen leader, rip his stick on beard off, and you will see Putin underneath.
tarmo

Tallinn, Estonia

#134 Dec 29, 2012
Alexey25 wrote:
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You told Dudaev controlled everybody and this means he is resposible for what Basaev did.
No, I didn't.
I told that he controlled his clans - his own people.
Those employed by NKVD/KGB/FSB were not HIS people any more.
And he did not support the actions of Bassayev.
Alexey25 wrote:
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Dudaev callled for genocide of Russian people in Chechnya and for ethnic cleansings.
Nope.
Alexey25 wrote:
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Your country will be brought to justice one day.
The justice will be on all of the countries.
The END will be MAD unless Russian Derzhavist Empire starts to respect other nations.
Alexey25 wrote:
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Estonian language must be banned in future Russian Estonia.
All of your nation will go extinct.
That has been the goal of Russian Derzhavists for the last 11 centuries. So what else is new?

You only forgot to label your desires as a "liberal patriotism" and "friendship among nations".
tarmo

Tallinn, Estonia

#135 Dec 29, 2012
Alexey25 wrote:
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Brave FSB men died, trying to save hostages in Budenovsk.
Just a show by Kremlin gremlins.

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#136 Dec 29, 2012
Those filthy dogs of the Baltics,

are very proud of their WaffenSS heritage.
tarmo

Tallinn, Estonia

#137 Dec 29, 2012
Alexey25 wrote:
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Never. Russians had got them out of caves where those barbarians lived and made them civilized.
You haven't been to schools for long, have you?

Read about the literacy rates at the end of the 19th century:
http://www.apn.ru/publications/article21603.h...

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Alexey25 wrote:
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All what is good in Estonia is made by Russian hands.
Quite the contrary.
tarmo

Tallinn, Estonia

#138 Dec 29, 2012
Sorry about the cyrillic mess.

The referenced article notes that more than 110 years ago the nations of highest literacy rate within the Russian Empire were (in that order): finns (98,3%), estonians (94,1%), latvians (85%), germans (78,5%), jews (50,1%), lithuanians (48,4%), poles (41,8%), etc. The literacy rate of estonians was 94,1%, while the literacy rate of russians at that time was 29,3%.

You were saying?
neutral observer

Lake Worth, FL

#139 Dec 29, 2012
tarmo wrote:
I hope the forum moderator pays as much attention to the posts of Alexey25 than to my posts. Alexey25 has repeatedly wrongly labeled me as a nazi. And he has repeatedly supported the idea of genocide. I think a note should be in order, if there hasn't been one already.
But you are always defending those Waffen SS parades being held in Estonia. Not to mention the desecration of red army graves. So the label nazi...

“Hello. America? It's me.”

Since: Oct 12

Rostov-na-Donu

#140 Dec 29, 2012
tarmo wrote:
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While that might have been proposed as an idealised goal in the distant future, the practical means to achieve that goal were based on inequality, brainwashing and hatred. And those practical means have been well documented both in the Communist International documents as well as in the papers and speeches of Lenin and Stalin and other soviet luminaries.
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You are right about the past tense - there lived more than 180 nations and ethnic nationalities. By now that number has considerably diminished due to heavy forceful russification.
You can talk about equality within the USSR to your chicken. Or to your fleas or cockroaches.
Just a simple question for you to ponder - how many of those 180 nations and ethnic nationalities had their own encyclopedia series in their own language? How many of those 180 had extensive native language higher education on the level of Icelanders?
What makes you think that? Please do not tell me mistic stories. I was born and raised in the Soviet Union. About which hatred you talking? I personally was a friend and with the Ukrainians, Jews, Georgians. In my youth there were girls Russian, Armenian, Ukrainian. My grandmother was an Ossetian, and Russian grandfathers. About what kind of unequal you write? What documents do you mean? How could take hatred, if the all community was single -the middle class? I'm sorry but someone you're being cruelly deceived.

Me not has chicken, no has fleas and no has cockroaches. Stop writing nonsense. Russia now has 184 nationalities live according to Census 2012. No one is here to stay.

What you wrote about some languages very &#8203;&#8203;incorrec tly. All peoples have studied their own languages &#8203;&#8203;and traditions, but the country was unified organism. Document management, financial and economic infrastructure, is obvious can be carried out only in one language. Of course, the education received, for example, in the Ossetian language did not permit students fully to live and work anywhere except Ossetia. No such idiocy we was not engaged. Higher education received in Russian language and was able to work at full capacity in any part of the largest country in the world -USSR.

Since: Sep 12

In your mind.

#141 Dec 29, 2012
neutral observer wrote:
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But you are always defending those Waffen SS parades being held in Estonia. Not to mention the desecration of red army graves. So the label nazi...
They are not Waffen SS parades, but simply parades honouring the ones who fought for a free Estonia, not the whole SS.

In War crimes trials, the Baltic SS legions were given a special exception.

“Hello. America? It's me.”

Since: Oct 12

Rostov-na-Donu

#142 Dec 29, 2012
tarmo wrote:
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You haven't been to schools for long, have you?
Read about the literacy rates at the end of the 19th century:
Oh! You use the Russian language? What independent Estonian folk? You Estonian language is not enough?))))

“Trust no one in politics.”

Since: Apr 08

Pompano Beach, FL

#143 Dec 29, 2012
TheRealMagyar wrote:
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They are not Waffen SS parades, but simply parades honouring the ones who fought for a free Estonia, not the whole SS.

In War crimes trials, the Baltic SS legions were given a special exception.
Does Hungary also hold such parades for their Waffen SS heroes?

“Trust no one in politics.”

Since: Apr 08

Pompano Beach, FL

#144 Dec 29, 2012
TheRealMagyar wrote:
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They are not Waffen SS parades, but simply parades honouring the ones who fought for a free Estonia, not the whole SS.

In War crimes trials, the Baltic SS legions were given a special exception.
BTW... wearing a uniform with an SS insignia and a swastika is fighting for a free and sovereign Estonia in what way?

It is fighting for nazi Germany.

Since: Sep 12

In your mind.

#145 Dec 29, 2012
uther pendragon wrote:
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Does Hungary also hold such parades for their Waffen SS heroes?
Not officially or government initiated, but there are various organisations that do it.

Since: Sep 12

In your mind.

#146 Dec 29, 2012
uther pendragon wrote:
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Does Hungary also hold such parades for their Waffen SS heroes?
Does this count?

Since: Sep 12

In your mind.

#147 Dec 29, 2012
uther pendragon wrote:
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BTW... wearing a uniform with an SS insignia and a swastika is fighting for a free and sovereign Estonia in what way?
It is fighting for nazi Germany.
Its not so simple, the Balts and Estonians had to chose between Nazi Germany and USSR, they chose Nazi Germany because the USSR outnumbered them much more.

Latvian legion for example:

Legionnaires hoped to fight off the Red Army until it was no longer a threat to Latvia and then turn against Nazi Germany, as a repeat of the Latvian War of Independence of 1918-1920, when Latvian forces expelled both Bolshevik and German forces. Legionnaires carried Latvian flags under their uniforms as a symbol of that hope.This sentiment was also reflected in one of the most popular Legion songs which went "We will beat the Russians now and we will beat the Germans after that" (with euphemisms for Russians and Germans).

Latvians, as did the Estonians and to lesser degree Lithuanians, believed that the Western powers, especially Britain, would come to their aid as they had in 1918-1920. These hopes were bolstered by Allied communications received in November 1944 in which British command instructed them to hold Courland until a joint British-American fleet entered the Baltic.[18] In fact, Churchill and Roosevelt had already privately consigned the Baltics to Stalin.

Since: Sep 12

In your mind.

#148 Dec 29, 2012
TheRealMagyar wrote:
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Not officially or government initiated, but there are various organisations that do it.
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