Argentina: Falklands 'Ours In 20 Years'

Feb 5, 2013 Full story: Sky News 327

The country's foreign minister, on a visit to London, calls Britons "fanatics" for refusing to give up the islands.

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“Fly low, fly fast.”

Since: Apr 07

East Midlands, UK

#151 Feb 13, 2013
MALVINAS ARGENTINAS wrote:
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Blimey! If you're that bored then you seriously need an hobby.

I suggest military aircraft spotting, then you can proudly say
"I saw that Skyhawk before the British shot it down"
El malvinero

Scarborough, Canada

#152 Feb 13, 2013
supersonic boom wrote:
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Blimey! If you're that bored then you seriously need an hobby.
I suggest military aircraft spotting, then you can proudly say
"I saw that Skyhawk before the British shot it down"
PELOTUDO mine is better:
BritBob

High Wycombe, UK

#153 Feb 13, 2013
Dear Malv and Co

How's this for a bit of South American Unity?

http://en-mercopress.com/2013/2/13/argentina-...

and

http://en-mercopress.com/2013/02/13/peruvian-...

Poor, poor little Argentina.

“Fly low, fly fast.”

Since: Apr 07

East Midlands, UK

#154 Feb 14, 2013
El malvinero wrote:
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PELOTUDO mine is better:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =Eo0BNYGgEV4XX
Mine trumps yours again ;-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Since: Nov 10

Dublin

#155 Feb 14, 2013
Where has all this Falklands tension suddenly come from? Thats what I cannot get my head around. Its a tricky one, but once the residents there want to remain British it is very hard to change anything about it in reality.

“The Three Legged Man”

Since: Jul 11

London, UK

#156 Feb 14, 2013
Dubbadub wrote:
Where has all this Falklands tension suddenly come from?
Argie politicians bring it up whenever their economy slides down the financial shit pipe. It takes the attention off the crap job they're doing, and gets the boneheads in their country behind them.
MALVINAS ARGENTINAS

Scarborough, Canada

#157 Feb 14, 2013
BritBob wrote:
Dear Malv and Co
How's this for a bit of South American Unity?
http://en-mercopress.com/2013/2/13/argentina-...
and
http://en-mercopress.com/2013/02/13/peruvian-...
Poor, poor little Argentina.
The links you posted,as wellas your brain, are DEAD!
Just kill the bottle of scotch,bob,and go to bed!
MALVINAS ARGENTINAS

Scarborough, Canada

#158 Feb 14, 2013
Mr Tripod wrote:
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Argie politicians bring it up whenever their economy slides down the financial shit pipe. It takes the attention off the crap job they're doing, and gets the boneheads in their country behind them.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! Sure pelotudo,instead thatcher did not bring MAlvinas to gain office again! PELOTUDO!
MALVINAS ARGENTINAS

Scarborough, Canada

#159 Feb 14, 2013
Dubbadub wrote:
Where has all this Falklands tension suddenly come from? Thats what I cannot get my head around. Its a tricky one, but once the residents there want to remain British it is very hard to change anything about it in reality.
In reality that referendum,is in Argentina favor,as explained in the link I posted.It is void and null!
MALVINAS ARGENTINAS

Scarborough, Canada

#160 Feb 14, 2013
supersonic boom wrote:
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Mine trumps yours again ;-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =40knj0qg_UsXX
AHAHAHA sure PELOTUDO,a daring raid,soo DARING that was ..a FAILURE!
They did not destroyed the runway,it was operational until the end of the war..PELOTUDO!
MALVINAS ARGENTINAS
BritBob

Slough, UK

#161 Feb 14, 2013
Dubbadub wrote:
Where has all this Falklands tension suddenly come from? Thats what I cannot get my head around. Its a tricky one, but once the residents there want to remain British it is very hard to change anything about it in reality.
You are 100% right as Ban ki-Moon said to an Argentine newspaper reporter from the Tiempo Argentino on 12th November 2012 when being asked about the forthcoming Falklands referendum the Secretary General of the UN said,'The impression is that people who are living under certain conditions should have access to certain level of capacities SO THAT THEY CAN DECIDE ON THEIR OWN FUTURE.' It was not quite what the newspaper reporter wanted to hear.

Argentine politicians since the time of Peron have been using the 'Great Malvinas Lie' to distract their people away from harsh economics much of which has been caused by political ineptness. So when the IMF is at the door, or the Peso is sinking - use the 'Malvinas Lie.'

Argentina has no valid legal nor moral claim to the Falklands. The islands were first claimed by Britain in 1765 - Argentina did not inherit them from Spain. Vernet, their hero had permission from Britain to set up a seal business on the islands but he was then made governor by the Argentine's - an illegal act as the islands were already British. In 1833 the British asked Vernet's garrison to leave but the vast majority of settlers chose to stay under the British flag. Only 5 chose to return to Argentina and they had only been on the islands for a few weeks. Argentina has no claim just a whole lot of people who have been spoon fed on propaganda.

www.falklandshistory.org/
Terry Hill

São Paulo, Brazil

#162 Feb 14, 2013
MALVINAS ARGENTINAS wrote:
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In reality that referendum,is in Argentina favor,as explained in the link I posted.It is void and null!
As I said earlier if in reality that referendum is null and void. Then Argentina should rush off to the appropriate legal tribunal and get it quashed. She won't of cause because then her false claims of sovereignty would be examined.

Since: Nov 10

Dublin

#163 Feb 14, 2013
Mr Tripod wrote:
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Argie politicians bring it up whenever their economy slides down the financial shit pipe. It takes the attention off the crap job they're doing, and gets the boneheads in their country behind them.
I don't understand how such a fervour can be ignited over such an issue. I don't know the full story behind it. The way things are these days though there is absolutely no way of changing the islands constitutional status without the consent of the majority there. Pity if the economy is struggling there though, it is a place I'd like to travel to, good few Irish-Argentines over there be a bit of craic....

Since: Nov 10

Dublin

#164 Feb 14, 2013
MALVINAS ARGENTINAS wrote:
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In reality that referendum,is in Argentina favor,as explained in the link I posted.It is void and null!
I understand what your saying I just don't understand what solution can be drawn up though, in todays world you know? It is pretty much impossible to get rid of the people on the islands, and without their consent it is extremely hard to change the islands constitutional status. Look at Northern Ireland and the British settlers there, as much as I disagree with them, they do have a vote on the matter. You know? That said Northern Ireland is actually a part of the island of Ireland, why are the Malvinas/Falklands islands such a pressing issue for Argentines? Just asking honestly because I am not too well up on the history of it.

Since: Nov 10

Dublin

#165 Feb 14, 2013
BritBob wrote:
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You are 100% right as Ban ki-Moon said to an Argentine newspaper reporter from the Tiempo Argentino on 12th November 2012 when being asked about the forthcoming Falklands referendum the Secretary General of the UN said,'The impression is that people who are living under certain conditions should have access to certain level of capacities SO THAT THEY CAN DECIDE ON THEIR OWN FUTURE.' It was not quite what the newspaper reporter wanted to hear.
Argentine politicians since the time of Peron have been using the 'Great Malvinas Lie' to distract their people away from harsh economics much of which has been caused by political ineptness. So when the IMF is at the door, or the Peso is sinking - use the 'Malvinas Lie.'
Argentina has no valid legal nor moral claim to the Falklands. The islands were first claimed by Britain in 1765 - Argentina did not inherit them from Spain. Vernet, their hero had permission from Britain to set up a seal business on the islands but he was then made governor by the Argentine's - an illegal act as the islands were already British. In 1833 the British asked Vernet's garrison to leave but the vast majority of settlers chose to stay under the British flag. Only 5 chose to return to Argentina and they had only been on the islands for a few weeks. Argentina has no claim just a whole lot of people who have been spoon fed on propaganda.
www.falklandshistory.org/
Thank you for the information. Interesting stuff I looked at the link provided too. I just don't understand the validity of those island to Argentina anyway? Like what exactly is the point? Oil perhaps but the existence of that there in commercial quantities has yet to be established as far as I know. From what you say it seems to be a much less deep quagmire than Northern Ireland for instance in terms of history. Maybe I'm wrong I don't know, I just fail to see what the actual benefits of having the islands are to the Argentines. They're (the islands) hardly a stunningly beautiful place, and I say that with all due respect....
MALVINAS ARGENTINAS

Richmond Hill, Canada

#166 Feb 14, 2013
Dubbadub wrote:
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I understand what your saying I just don't understand what solution can be drawn up though, in todays world you know? It is pretty much impossible to get rid of the people on the islands, and without their consent it is extremely hard to change the islands constitutional status. Look at Northern Ireland and the British settlers there, as much as I disagree with them, they do have a vote on the matter. You know? That said Northern Ireland is actually a part of the island of Ireland, why are the Malvinas/Falklands islands such a pressing issue for Argentines? Just asking honestly because I am not too well up on the history of it.
Well,MAlvinas is a bit more complex.Northern Ireland,did they have a resolution by the UN?They are a lot closer to england,and far larger population.On the other hand,Malvinas is a disputed territory,since 1833.There is wide support from Brazil,Mercosur,etc...and uk is basically FINISHED! They are at 14000KM,what they can do all alone in the South Atlantic? 2000 People,a population with NO growth.Aging? TO me the result of the so called referendum is Void.Like Dr terragno says:

Welcome the plebiscite

Hard to believe I would not understand: the British declared the islanders will give Argentina reason.



The right of self-determination belongs to the people, not to people.

This is recognized in international law

A group to belong to the colonial state "is not a people and, therefore, not entitled to self-determination" (Rosalyn Higgins, British, former president of the International Court of Justice).

Population and people are two different things. To become a village, the inhabitants of a territory should "regard themselves as a distinct society of American society occupying that territory" (Hurst Hannum, Berkeley).

These people need to have a "cultural identity" that clearly differentiates the country to which they belong (Anthony Simpson, International Commission of Jurists, Geneva).

Should be (or descend) people "indigenous", ie groups living in the islands before the colonial invasion (Wolfgang F. Danspeck Grubel, Self-Determination Institute, Liechestein).

We need to be considered "victims" of "oppression" and want to "separate" the colonial power.(Pete Radan, Macquarie University).

The British diplomat Denzil Dunnett (Royal Institute of International Affairs, London) recalled, in a paper published by International Affaires, the position he held, on this subject, former British Prime Minister Edward Heath (conservative predecessor Margaret Thatcher). Based on these principles of international law, said in Parliament that the people of the Falklands have no right to self-determination.

The islanders, is expected to vote as they vote, they prove to not meet any of the requirements to enjoy that right. They will say:

They want to belong to the colonial state.
Not consider themselves distinct from society in the UK.
They have no cultural identity.
No descendants of an indigenous people.
They do not feel victims of oppression.
Do not want independence.
Demonstrate, well, something that Argentina has always maintained: that they are not a people islanders and therefore no right of self-determination.

As British, who are and have been proclaimed, they could not be arbitrators in a dispute between his country and Argentina.

It is noteworthy that the President and other political figures were outraged by the announcement of the plebiscite.

Argentina should celebrate that is the reason
Oíche mhaith
MALVINAS ARGENTINAS

Richmond Hill, Canada

#167 Feb 14, 2013
Terry Hill wrote:
<quoted text>
As I said earlier if in reality that referendum is null and void. Then Argentina should rush off to the appropriate legal tribunal and get it quashed. She won't of cause because then her false claims of sovereignty would be examined.
We did PELOTUDO,1884 and 5 times after.The brits terrorist,declined..Poor deluded ex empire...SO IMBECILES!
MALVINAS ARGENTINAS

Richmond Hill, Canada

#168 Feb 14, 2013
BritBob wrote:
<quoted text>
You are 100% right as Ban ki-Moon said to an Argentine newspaper reporter from the Tiempo Argentino on 12th November 2012 when being asked about the forthcoming Falklands referendum the Secretary General of the UN said,'The impression is that people who are living under certain conditions should have access to certain level of capacities SO THAT THEY CAN DECIDE ON THEIR OWN FUTURE.' It was not quite what the newspaper reporter wanted to hear.
Argentine politicians since the time of Peron have been using the 'Great Malvinas Lie' to distract their people away from harsh economics much of which has been caused by political ineptness. So when the IMF is at the door, or the Peso is sinking - use the 'Malvinas Lie.'
Argentina has no valid legal nor moral claim to the Falklands. The islands were first claimed by Britain in 1765 - Argentina did not inherit them from Spain. Vernet, their hero had permission from Britain to set up a seal business on the islands but he was then made governor by the Argentine's - an illegal act as the islands were already British. In 1833 the British asked Vernet's garrison to leave but the vast majority of settlers chose to stay under the British flag. Only 5 chose to return to Argentina and they had only been on the islands for a few weeks. Argentina has no claim just a whole lot of people who have been spoon fed on propaganda.
www.falklandshistory.org/
Wrong! It is a lie.

This is the truth http://www.aveguema.org.ar/historimalving.htm
PELOTUDO!

Since: Nov 10

Dublin

#169 Feb 14, 2013
MALVINAS ARGENTINAS wrote:
<quoted text>
Well,MAlvinas is a bit more complex.Northern Ireland,did they have a resolution by the UN?They are a lot closer to england,and far larger population.On the other hand,Malvinas is a disputed territory,since 1833.There is wide support from Brazil,Mercosur,etc...and uk is basically FINISHED! They are at 14000KM,what they can do all alone in the South Atlantic? 2000 People,a population with NO growth.Aging? TO me the result of the so called referendum is Void.
The ethno/national/religious problems in the northern part of Ireland go back to 1609. And there is a substantial indegenous population in Northern Ireland loyal to the notion of the ''Irish Republic''. But without getting into all of that what exactly are the Malvinas islands to Argentina? What do they mean to Argentines? I read the rest of your comment I haven't quoted and I understand where you are coming from. Personally I cannot see how the constitutional status of the islands can be changed when the people there don't want it. Now I know the people there are the descendants of colonial settlers from a couple of hundred years ago, but still they do have a vote on the matter you know? International opinion appears to favour the people on the islands. That said I do understand your position and I personally do like Argentina very much as a country as do the Irish people.
MAlvinas Argentinas

Richmond Hill, Canada

#170 Feb 14, 2013
Dubbadub wrote:
<quoted text>
The ethno/national/religious problems in the northern part of Ireland go back to 1609. And there is a substantial indegenous population in Northern Ireland loyal to the notion of the ''Irish Republic''. But without getting into all of that what exactly are the Malvinas islands to Argentina? What do they mean to Argentines? I read the rest of your comment I haven't quoted and I understand where you are coming from. Personally I cannot see how the constitutional status of the islands can be changed when the people there don't want it. Now I know the people there are the descendants of colonial settlers from a couple of hundred years ago, but still they do have a vote on the matter you know? International opinion appears to favour the people on the islands. That said I do understand your position and I personally do like Argentina very much as a country as do the Irish people.
My dear Irish friend: First,it will be credible,if the Argentines,were allowed to settled,buy land etc..Now international opinion.....Wich one? Because in SA,no body give a damn about them,And according to the UN,they are non existant!
Every body knows what he brits are after..It is not the people,but the projection on Antartica. So nobody in good will is supporting the brits.It is just a military base.Constitution? Who cares! It is comming from the pirates brits..
By the terms of the text, introduced by Chile’s representative, the Special Committee regretted that, despite widespread international support for negotiations between Argentina and the United Kingdom, which included all aspects of the Islands’ future, longstanding General Assembly resolutions on that question had not been implemented. The parties were requested to consolidate the current “process of dialogue and cooperation” by resuming negotiations in order to find, as soon as possible, a peaceful solution to their sovereignty dispute.
Imploring the Special Committee not to adopt the resolution as presented, Roger Edwards, an elected official of the Legislative Assembly of the Falkland Islands, and one of several petitioners to take the floor on the issue, pointed out that the text had been drafted without a reference to the wishes of the Falkland people and their fundamental right to self-determination.“Falkland Islanders do not wish to see a change from British sovereign status,” he declared. The Islands had never formed part of Argentina; they were self-sufficient, self-governing and enjoyed a high standard of living.“Please respect our people’s wishes and our right to self-determination,” he said.
On the other side of the issue, petitioner María Angélica Vernet, Director of the National Historical Museum of the Buenos Aires Old Town Hall and May Revolution, traced her roots to the Malvinas Islands, where Argentine citizens had been stripped of their property and expelled by the United Kingdom in 1833. The population on the islands today was not a people in the legal sense of the term, as they were British either by birth or by origin.“The usurpation of the Malvinas Islands in 1833 was the usurpation of a territory that, both in fact and in law, belonged to Argentina,” she insisted.
http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2011/gacol3...
Let see the others countries:
Brazil strongly supports Argentina Falklands’ claim at defence ministers’ summit
Brazil came out strongly in support of Argentina’s sovereignty claims over the Falklands/Malvinas Islands and criticized British military exercises in the Islands during his speech on Monday to the Americas Defence ministers’ conference taking place in Punta del Este, Uruguay.
http://en.mercopress.com/2012/10/09/brazil-st...

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