Why Atheism Will Replace Religion

Aug 27, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: News24

Please note that for this article "Atheism" also includes agnostics, deists, pagans, wiccans... in other words non-religious.

You will notice this is a statement of fact. And to be fact it is supported by evidence (see references below). Now you can have "faith" that this is not true, but by the very definition of faith, that is just wishful thinking.

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“If God was real”

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Pietro Armando wrote:
I've jumped into this debate recently and have read through the various post. Unless I missed it, there doesn't appear to be a middle ground on this thread. One is either an atheist, dismissive, and contemptuous of faith, or a religious person equally dismissive of science. Personally I don't believe science and religious faith are incompatible. There are intelligent men and women who posses a belief in a supernatural God, force, and/or power, and are also members of the scientific community.
http://www.pbs.org/faithandreason/transcript/...
George Coyne is a Jesuit priest and an astronomer. He is director of the Vatican Observatory, and head of the Observatorys research group which is based at the University of Arizona in Tuscon. Father Coyne is the host of the Divine Action series of conferences which bring together scientists and theologians from around the world.
Belief in the Koran, Torah, or Buybull is incompatible with scientific fact

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The city of London existed in the days of the Sherlock Holmes stories. There's even a Baker Street, and a 221 B Baker St (honorary). Doesn't mean Holmes was a real person.
Slam dunk!. They think that just because they may be able to prove that certain Biblical figure was real, that equals to the buybull being fact. It does not.

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Langoliers wrote:
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Faith:
: firm belief in something for which there is no proof
Science:
:knowledge or a system of knowledge covering general truths or the operation of general laws especially as obtained and tested through scientific method
Try and grasp the difference. Science needs to hold to facts and testable observation.
Faith doesn't have these requirements.
We have plenty of evidence for our faith. We just don't need proof.
You simply can't argue against it because no argument you can produce would even come close to over turning the evidence yet alone our faith. I'm sure this is beyond your understanding.
In other words, faith is foolish.

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Dan wrote:
<quoted text>Data in the USA indicate quite the opposite. The higher the level of education, the more likely the individual attends church.
While liberal churches in America are losing members, nearly all conservative churches are growing and many quite rapidly.
ould you please cite you source for this data?

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Question?
You posted the the cats were three levels above micro evolution. That was a claim. I post to refute your claim.
I see now I need not bother with you.
Sense you're yawning I'll bid you good night. Get some sleep.
Yes. Question. Note the question mark. Your response was completely irrelevant to my post.

"If you believe all cat species came from 2 ligons on a boat, and do NOT accept evolution, then what is the process by which they came? "

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A fossil can only be proof of what once lived
And a sequence of fossils can show how species changed over time. THAT is evolution.

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Flaws of the Big Bang
The Big Bang Theory has some significant problems. First of all, the Big Bang Theory does not address the question: "Where did everything come from?"
Not an aspect of the current Big Bang theory. There is speculation, of course, but the current scientific theory describes what happened after the first nanosecond or so after the expansion started.
Can nothing explode? This contradicts to the 1st Law of Thermodynamics (the Law of Conservation of Matter).
No, in fact, it does not. What the First law says is that the total amount of mass/energy at two different times is the same.
Where did Space, Time, Matter, and Energy come from?
Still to be determined if this is even a sensible question.
Next, how did this explosion / "expansion" cause order while every explosion ever observed and documented in history caused only disorder and chaos? Consequently, the Big Bang seemingly violates the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics (the Law of Increased Entropy). What organized the universe after the singularity?
No, what it shows is that the Big Bang is not an explosion in the conventional sense, which everyone who studies the subject knows already. it also shows that the 'singularity' is a low entropy situation, not a high entropy situation.
Besides conflicting with the 1st and 2nd Laws of Thermodynamics, the Big Bang Theory contradicts the Law of Conservation of Angular Momentum. For example, how does the Big Bang Theory explain "Retrograde Motion" (the backward spin of some planets and the backward orbits of some moons) without violating the Law of Conservation of Angular Momentum?
Well, angular momentum is a vector (actually, a pseudo-vector) quantity. The *total* amount of angular momentum is zero because the axes of rotation of different galaxies are randomly oriented. Retrograde motion is at the level of the solar system, which is a *very, very* small scale thing, which small fluctuations producing the results we see now. Inparticular, collisions can produce retrograde motion while still obeying the conservation of angular momentum.
Everything in the universe is spinning - planets, stars, galaxies, etc. It would take an enormous amount of energy to start a planet spinning. To solve this, advocates of the Big Bang Theory claim that the singularity that blew up in a sudden big bang was spinning before it exploded, thus everything within it was spinning as it flung out.
This is a lie. That is not at all what 'advocates' claim.
The problem is Venus, Uranus, and Pluto are spinning backwards (Retrograde Motion). If something spinning clockwise blows up, all of the pieces will be spinning clockwise (the Law of Conservation of Angular Momentum).
Your ignorance of the differences of scale is clear here. It is quite easy for the collisions that produced the planets in our solar system to produce retrograde motion while obeying conservation of angular momentum. BUT, the solar system didn't form until almost 9 billion years after the Big Bang and the size of our solar system is so small that any variations are irrelevant to the larger picture. Think of it like this: angular momentum is conserved in water even if there are whirlpools that goes the 'wrong' way around.
Also, the Big Bang Theory contradicts observed phenomena. For example, the Big Bang Theory is unable to explain uneven distribution of matter throughout the universe resulting in galactic "voids" and "clumps". If the Big Bang was true, all matter would be (roughly) evenly distributed.
This also is false. Gravity tends to extenuate small differences and to promote the growth of structure over time. Essentially, regions that are slightly more dense than average tend to collapse to form much more dense areas, leaving the other regions less dense.

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At least with regard to modern times, the reason has to be seen in the discovery of the 'global' redshift of galaxies (Hubble Law), which, as interpreted through the Doppler effect, led to the conclusion that all galaxies are receding from each other. Now, in a homogeneous and infinite universe this is not possible as it would mean that the average mass density would permanently decrease, which would violate the continuity equation for mass conservation (in other words, mass conservation demands that the mass density has to increase elsewhere if it decreases in a given region of space; obviously this rules out an overall decrease of the mass density (see the page The Expansion of the Universe Debunked for more)).
Simply false. The continuity equation is essentially the same as the conservation of mass/energy, which is satisfied by an expanding universe.
This on its own should already prove the physical impossibility of the expansion idea. However, in a kind of inversion of logical and physical principles, cosmologists decided then to tamper with the forms of existence and make space itself an object in some imaginary hyperspace.
No, space and time are aspects of the geometry of spacetime. In the expansion of the universe, space itself expands.

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Yet even with this unphysical 'model', there remains the paradoxical consequence that not only the distances between galaxies but also the size of the latter should increase. Even atoms should become larger, altering therefore the fundamental frequencies for radiative transitions and resulting in an apparent blueshift for distant (young) galaxies (to evade this argument, cosmologists argue that physical systems held together by forces are exempt from the Hubble expansion, but this should then actually mean that the space in our solar system is unexpanded, and since light should adapt to the local scale of space, we should not see galaxies redshifted at all (which obviously contradicts observations)).
Again, a fundamental misunderstanding of the physics involved. if our solar system is gravitationally bound, it will not expand due to the universal expansion. The same goes for galaxies. That 'light should adaptt to the local scale' is simply wrong.
A good candidate for the actual cause of the redshift is the intergalactic plasma electric field (see the page Plasma Theory of Hubble Redshift of Galaxies on my site plasmaphysics.org .uk; regarding the argument by Big-Bang cosmologists that other than recessional redshifts would not yield the observed time dilation of supernova lightcurves, see the page Galactic Redshifts and Supernova Lightcurves).
Except that this explanation cannot account for the smoothness of the background radiation (one part in 100,000), nor the small fluctuations that do occur in it.
The concept of a 'curved space', which is essential for present cosmological models, is logically flawed because it assumes that the distance between two points in a given (curved) metric is the shortest possible distance, which however is only the case for the Euclidean metric (as the shortest distance between two points is by definition a straight line). Mathematicians frequently try for instance to illustrate the properties of 'curved space' through the example of a spherical (or otherwise curved) surface and the associated geometrical relationships. However, a surface is only a mathematical abstraction within the actual (3-dimensional) space and one can in fact connect any two points on the surface of a physical object through a straight line by drilling through it.
OK, so you don't understand differential geometry. Well, to understand cosmology, you will have to learn. You cannot 'drill through' if there is *only* the surface.
The concept of gravity being due to a space curvature, as promoted by General Relativity, is therefore also inconsistent and should be replaced by appropriate physical theories describing the trajectories of particles and/or light near these objects.
Showing you don't understand anything about the subjects involved. it is certainly NOT inconsistent.
One should also note here the inconsistency that cosmologists are making when assuming a resultant gravitational force in their models despite adhering to the cosmological principle of homogeneity and isotropy (which should logically imply a zero gravity force everywhere throughout the universe as equal and opposite forces cancel). This obviously completely invalidates their conclusion regarding the existence of Dark Matter and Dark Energy.
Yet another example of speaking about a subject where your ignorance prevails.

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<quoted text>Horsesht. We have historical secular proof for Jesus Ben pandira son of a Jewish woman raped by a roman soldier who was a messiah figure had a following executed by the Romans and his followers. Ditto with Jesus Ben strada the so called evil Egyptian wizard messiah figure had a following performed miracles was said to raise the dead and walk on water executed by the Romans and his followers. Ditto with hundreds of other messiah type figures at that time walking around Palestine proclaiming to do miracles and be the messiah. Yet or all the secular proven historical data we have for all these small timers we lack a shred of contemporary historical proof for this Jesus of the NT figure or any of his biblical apostles. Not one.
The funny thing is you are married to a catholic woman who believes in Jesus.

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The funny thing is you are married to a catholic woman who believes in Jesus.
What is wrong with that?

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Langoliers wrote:
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Maybe they were house cats on the ark and they produced Lion and Tigers and Bears oh my!
A house cat giving birth to a litter of tigers!? I said a lion/tiger giving birth to house cats to make it at least physically possible.

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<quoted text>What is wrong with that?
Nothing but I can imagine their conversation.

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<quoted text>More lies.
The truth about Nazareth is here http://www.nazarethmyth.info/bibl.html
You my boy must be suffering from brain freeze.

It is a fact that Nazareth is being excavated. It is a fact that Nazareth has been dated to the days of Jesus. These are hard facts nothing you can post will prove other wise. So dream on you little devil.

According to Yardenna Alexandre, excavation director on behalf of the Israel Antiquities Authority,“The discovery is of the utmost importance since it reveals for the very first time a house from the Jewish village of Nazareth and thereby sheds light on the way of life at the time of Jesus. The building that we found is small and modest and it is most likely typical of the dwellings in Nazareth in that period. From the few written sources that there are, we know that in the first century CE Nazareth was a small Jewish village, located inside a valley. Until now a number of tombs from the time of Jesus were found in Nazareth; however, no settlement remains have been discovered that are attributed to this period”.
In the excavation a large broad wall that dates to the Mamluk period (the fifteenth century CE) was exposed that was constructed on top of and “utilized” the walls of an ancinet building. This earlier building consisted of two rooms and a courtyard in which there was a rock-hewn cistern into which the rainwater was conveyed. The artifacts recovered from inside the building were few and mostly included fragments of pottery vessels from the Early Roman period (the first and second centuries CE). In addition, several fragments of chalk vessels were found, which were only used by Jews in this period because such vessels were not susceptible to becoming ritually unclean.

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I read another version on a different thread recently that Hitler was Gay, had a gay army, and gays were responsible for the holocaust. Heh heh
Just one problem with that loon guess. Lack of documentation: the historical documents, eye witness accounts and pictorial evidence.

There is nothing that can't be found on the internet, though.

Example Jesus was a woman?
Google that and you get results, boy do you get results.

A few years ago, I did this same thing to point out that whatever you may want to claim, somebody will have already claimed it. Last time I found the gospel of Thomas, which proved Jesus to be a killer. Today in Revelations I find that Jesus has the breasts of a woman.
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Christian Sabbath Observed

Barack Obama has officially been sworn in for his second term as US president in a small ceremony at the White House.

Mr Obama took the oath in the Blue Room to meet the 20 January date set out in the US Constitution.

Given this fell on a Sunday, a public inauguration with pomp and circumstance will take place on Monday.

Vice-President Joe Biden was sworn in for a second term at a small ceremony at his official residence earlier on Sunday morning.

Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts administered the oath of office to Mr Obama, witnessed by First Lady Michelle Obama and their daughters Sasha and Malia as well as some family members and reporters.

Resting his hand on a Bible used for many years by his wife's family, Mr Obama vowed "to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States".

He will repeat those words during Monday's public inauguration, in which he will also set out his plans for the next four years.

Mr Biden will also repeat his oath publicly on Monday
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islam is no more a race than auto erotic asphyxiation is.
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PLEASE GO ASK YOUR TEACHER ABOUT HUMAN ANATOMY BECAUSE YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY CONFUSED and don't know much. "Female penises" don't exist except in your cretinous mind. As for your racism, it goes with being stupid. Your family's inbreeding ethnicity is irrelevant. Run along. Scram.

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You my boy must be suffering from brain freeze.
It is a fact that Nazareth is being excavated. It is a fact that Nazareth has been dated to the days of Jesus. These are hard facts nothing you can post will prove other wise. So dream on you little devil.
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Even if Nazareth did exist at the time, that's not evidence that Jesus is an historical figure. Many fictional stories take place in real places.
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You my boy must be suffering from brain freeze.
It is a fact that Nazareth is being excavated. It is a fact that Nazareth has been dated to the days of Jesus. These are hard facts nothing you can post will prove other wise. So dream on you little devil.
According to Yardenna Alexandre, excavation director on behalf of the Israel Antiquities Authority,“The discovery is of the utmost importance since it reveals for the very first time a house from the Jewish village of Nazareth and thereby sheds light on the way of life at the time of Jesus. The building that we found is small and modest and it is most likely typical of the dwellings in Nazareth in that period. From the few written sources that there are, we know that in the first century CE Nazareth was a small Jewish village, located inside a valley. Until now a number of tombs from the time of Jesus were found in Nazareth; however, no settlement remains have been discovered that are attributed to this period”.
In the excavation a large broad wall that dates to the Mamluk period (the fifteenth century CE) was exposed that was constructed on top of and “utilized” the walls of an ancinet building. This earlier building consisted of two rooms and a courtyard in which there was a rock-hewn cistern into which the rainwater was conveyed. The artifacts recovered from inside the building were few and mostly included fragments of pottery vessels from the Early Roman period (the first and second centuries CE). In addition, several fragments of chalk vessels were found, which were only used by Jews in this period because such vessels were not susceptible to becoming ritually unclean.
Please produce the link to Alexandre's peer-reviewed journal article that supports the claims you make. Fact is you are lying and there is no such finding as you claim. Produce the article in a peer reviewed journal, not some unethical liar christofundie site, or be exposed for the liar and cheat you are.
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islam is no more a race than auto erotic asphyxiation is.
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No one here is interested in your sexual proclivities. Kindly keep you erotic activities to yourself. I am not interested in hearing how you choke while engaging in fellatio.

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