It's the Guns, Stupid

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“And that's the end of the issue”

Why do we have the same futile argument every time there is a mass killing? Advocates of gun control try to open a discussion about whether more reasonable weapons statutes might reduce the number of violent ... via Truthdig

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Blair

Cherkassy, Ukraine

#99264 Feb 1, 2013
GoGoBar wrote:
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Poor Blair. It is no problem monitoring this thread seeing I am online anyway. What is your interest?
Dont worry about gun violence and me. I am in a pretty gun violent place... 4 x more than the USA.
24/7? What, do you troll thru threads you dont post on?
You just dont make sense. Why is that?
Everything I said makes perfect sense, maybe you have trouble reading.
You don't even live in the USA so f-ck off.
Nobody should have to listen to you at all.
Why dont you spend some of your exceedingly large amount of spare time helping people where you live ?
No you just like to come here and annoy other people because your own life is so pathetic.
How many more stupid statistics do you search for each day to copy and paste ? And of course only show the ones that are anti gun... the ones you want to hear.
Guppy

Englewood, FL

#99265 Feb 1, 2013
Spocko wrote:
<quoted text>
Women are crazy and guys are stupid, women are crazy because guys are stupid ...
I think you are on to something.
GoGoBar

Thailand

#99266 Feb 1, 2013
Blair wrote:
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Everything I said makes perfect sense, maybe you have trouble reading.
You don't even live in the USA so f-ck off.
Nobody should have to listen to you at all.
Why dont you spend some of your exceedingly large amount of spare time helping people where you live ?
No you just like to come here and annoy other people because your own life is so pathetic.
How many more stupid statistics do you search for each day to copy and paste ? And of course only show the ones that are anti gun... the ones you want to hear.
There are no other statistics Blair. Zero pro gun. I've looked.
It all boils down to this.

14,000 murders
8700 gunnut murders

201 Justifiable Homicide by gun.

Now if it were 3000 Justifiable by gun I could agree that there is some justification.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#99267 Feb 1, 2013
Guppy wrote:
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Why would the Americans want to enter a war they had nothing to do with? That would have been a horrible waste of lives. We jumped in WHEN WE NEEDED TO.
It would have been better if we made the Japs apologize then to fight a war with every Jon, Dick and Harry.
Men need to look at the big picture rather than going off half-cocked and doing things they later regret. Do men regret? Do they allow themselves? Once they make a decision, that's it! Wether it is right or wrong they stick with it. hahaha. Dum-Dum.
Military Keynesianism(Government Spending that benefits Wall Street) & the US Economy.

Military Keynesianism is the theory that John Maynard Keynes advocated government economic policy in which the government devotes large amounts of spending to the military in an effort to increase economic growth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_Keynesi...
Spocko

Oakland, CA

#99269 Feb 1, 2013
The new NRA slogan: We have the right to own politicians!

Firearms exist to manage situations where rationality has failed, so thinking rationally about them can be hard if not impossible. That's why it is so difficult to argue with most gun-rights advocates Ė they are not rational. They're a bunch of scared people, led by the NRA, frightened of the world and their ability to manage it. I'm not talking about people who hunt or enjoy target practice; I'm talking about the cult of maximum firepower types. Guns that exist for the sole purpose of killing large numbers of people as rapidly as possible have no place in public hands and should be banned or, at least, left at the shooting range! if you canít agree with that, well ... you got some serious mental issues!
LEVI

United States

#99270 Feb 1, 2013
GoGoBar wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL, the Jew with the springfield.
Would that be before they were denied employment and herded into Ghettos at machine gunpoint.
A bit like the blacks at the same period in time.
Well you cant give the blacks their homeland for similar persecution in the past, but Obama is certainly forcing the USA to live up to it's obligations in their own land, as well as the whiggers.
The mass shootings are all white cousins.
Is Jimmy Lee your cuz?
The Nazi argument. The Nazis based their first "Final Solution" directly on the legal practise of the Eugenics Sterilisation Act enacted in 1927 in the United States of America-blessed under the Constitution by the Supreme Court.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck_v._Bell
Abd perhaps if the USA had the Balls to enter the war at the beginning instead of at the end of the then those Jews may have had a chance.
You gotta love the Nazi argument.
Gogobar is great at pointing out the faults of other nations other then her own. And i will be the first to tell anyone that the usofa if far far far form perfect, unlike gogobars precious thailand, or so she would like one to believe.
Human trafficking-------cambodia men are kidnapped,and/or mislead by trfficers and sold into illegal fishing boats that trawl the gulf of thailand and south china sea. The men are mislead into believeing they will be paid higher wages, when in reality they are forced to work as ' sea slaves'. Gogobar, does that sound kinda like what the whites did to blacks 200 years ago. Can you say ' slavery ' gogobar? Only difference is is that the whites did this 200 years ago, your nation still practices it, hummm, strange.
Child trafficking------children are kidnaped, or even sold by their own family members to traffickers, some as young as four years old, to be use as 'sex slaves' in the larger citys. Damn gogobar, theres that word 'slave' again. And you have the gall to critize america, I agree, killing children is evil, pure evil, but so is selling them for sex slaves. Seems like thailand and you have a total different difination when it comes to morality doesnt it? You said in one post that american children wasnt safe in their own schools, seems like the children of thailand arent too safe either doesnt it?
The right to free speech and travel has also been seriously eroded in thailand. And god forbid if someone should critize the military, right gogobar? Maybe thats why you critize america and her military so much, getting all your agression out huh?
In 2003 a fact finding panel researching thailands war on drugs found that out of 2,500 deaths more then half werent involved on drugs at all. These deaths were apparently the result of police action for no apparent reason at all.
I have more gogobar, anytime, anytime. I'm just tired of typing.
Teaman

Mount Holly, NJ

#99271 Feb 1, 2013
Spocko wrote:
The new NRA slogan: We have the right to own politicians!
Firearms exist to manage situations where rationality has failed, so thinking rationally about them can be hard if not impossible. That's why it is so difficult to argue with most gun-rights advocates Ė they are not rational. They're a bunch of scared people, led by the NRA, frightened of the world and their ability to manage it. I'm not talking about people who hunt or enjoy target practice; I'm talking about the cult of maximum firepower types. Guns that exist for the sole purpose of killing large numbers of people as rapidly as possible have no place in public hands and should be banned or, at least, left at the shooting range! if you canít agree with that, well ... you got some serious mental issues!
Rational is another word for agreeing with you, right?
LEVI

United States

#99272 Feb 1, 2013
BTW, I cant believe you said that the usa would had joined the war earlier that perhaps all those jew wouldnt had died. Are you seriously trying to blame the holocaust on america? LMAO
Maybe you should study your own histroy of ww2. Sure, there was japaneese resistance in thailand by some govt repersenatives and some civilans, however, as a whole, the govt of thailand was an ally with japan. And even declared war on the usa. However, at the time, the ambassor of the thai govt refused to deliver the document in washington. Still, nevertheless, the thai govt was an ally of the axis, thus gogogbar, basically, your govt was also responsible for the holocaust, and also, the rape and prilmerges of china.
Spocko

Oakland, CA

#99273 Feb 1, 2013
Teaman wrote:
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Rational is another word for agreeing with you, right?
No not hardly!

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#99274 Feb 1, 2013
Spocko wrote:
The new NRA slogan: We have the right to own politicians!
Firearms exist to manage situations where rationality has failed, so thinking rationally about them can be hard if not impossible. That's why it is so difficult to argue with most gun-rights advocates Ė they are not rational. They're a bunch of scared people, led by the NRA, frightened of the world and their ability to manage it. I'm not talking about people who hunt or enjoy target practice; I'm talking about the cult of maximum firepower types. Guns that exist for the sole purpose of killing large numbers of people as rapidly as possible have no place in public hands and should be banned or, at least, left at the shooting range! if you canít agree with that, well ... you got some serious mental issues!
thats wall streets slogan too and proved that with TARP.
LEVI

United States

#99275 Feb 1, 2013
Actually, the american people own the politicans. They work for us. However, someone forgot to tell this to the politicans.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#99276 Feb 1, 2013
LEVI wrote:
Actually, the american people own the politicans. They work for us. However, someone forgot to tell this to the politicans.
we just elect them.

“Tilt my hat at the sun”

Since: Jun 12

And the shadows they burn dark

#99277 Feb 1, 2013
Teaman wrote:
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What is the enlistment age for military service? Are they young hands?
17 I think it is here.
I'd call that young.
GoGoBar

Thailand

#99278 Feb 1, 2013
LEVI wrote:
BTW, I cant believe you said that the usa would had joined the war earlier that perhaps all those jew wouldnt had died. Are you seriously trying to blame the holocaust on america? LMAO
Maybe you should study your own histroy of ww2. Sure, there was japaneese resistance in thailand by some govt repersenatives and some civilans, however, as a whole, the govt of thailand was an ally with japan. And even declared war on the usa. However, at the time, the ambassor of the thai govt refused to deliver the document in washington. Still, nevertheless, the thai govt was an ally of the axis, thus gogogbar, basically, your govt was also responsible for the holocaust, and also, the rape and prilmerges of china.
Japan.LOL. Not even the colonised Phillipines with the strength and might of the US Army led by the brilliant McArtur could withstand the Japanese. The mighty McArtur had to flee to the safe haven of Australia.
Is the Phillipines culpable also?

I love it when the USA likes to compare itself to 2nd world countries.

Us Muerder rate 4.8/100K
Thai..........4.8/100K
Why?
LEVI

United States

#99279 Feb 1, 2013
GoGoBar wrote:
<quoted text>
Japan.LOL. Not even the colonised Phillipines with the strength and might of the US Army led by the brilliant McArtur could withstand the Japanese. The mighty McArtur had to flee to the safe haven of Australia.
Is the Phillipines culpable also?
I love it when the USA likes to compare itself to 2nd world countries.
Us Muerder rate 4.8/100K
Thai..........4.8/100K
Why?
I see you conveintely ignor the facts I posted about thailand, and also the facts that I posted about thailands role in ww2, you're good at that.
1st world country, 2nd, 3rd, it doesnt matter, right is right, wrong is wrong. However, i guess thailand and youself see things differetnly, not surprinsely.
Now since you have, and continue to critize the usa and other western nations, how about us talk about whats wrong and corrupt with the thai military?
Wanna go there gogobar? Im sure some fellow thailander would love to forward your comments to the military.LOL
Okay, I will give you the first say. Now, about that military of yours, you start.
LEVI

United States

#99280 Feb 1, 2013
You never mentioned the child slave trade either. Whats wrong gogobar, arent the children of thailand just as important as american children?
LEVI

United States

#99282 Feb 1, 2013
Gogobar, where did you go. you always respond to my post so quickly, until now, its been almost an hour. Are you okay. you're military hasnt come knocking on your door has it?
Are perhaps you're out doing the right thing and trying to stop all this child sex slave trade, or this human trafficking?
LEVI

United States

#99283 Feb 1, 2013
Gogobar, you get on here and roar like a lion, now you behave like a mouse.
Guppy

Englewood, FL

#99284 Feb 1, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>Military Keynesianism(Government Spending that benefits Wall Street) & the US Economy.
Military Keynesianism is the theory that John Maynard Keynes advocated government economic policy in which the government devotes large amounts of spending to the military in an effort to increase economic growth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_Keynesi...
Not every war helps the economy.
Guppy

Englewood, FL

#99285 Feb 1, 2013
_0rion_ wrote:
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17 I think it is here.
I'd call that young.
The military is a great place for boys who have no where else to go. Too bad that they have to go to war.

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