Dominicans denounce film on sugar workers

A documentary about the living conditions of the children of Haitian sugar cane workers in the Dominican Republic sparked a heated debate Wednesday, prompting the Dominican consul to charge out of the ... Full Story
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Tony

AOL

#1 Jul 8, 2007
I don't blame todays "Dominincans" for the conditions that would allow such a situation to fester for so long. I blame Juan Pablo Duarte and his racist, anti-semetic Trinitarios for founding a country so racist that it would allow black slavery to exist in 2007.

We all know that the Trinitaria was the inspiration for the Ku Klux Klan. Both groups wanted a return to the plantation black-slave system; but only one succeeded. That is why we have a Dominican Republic and not a Confederate States of America.

Maybe when Americans put it in that persepctive they will see what needs to be done with the "Dominican" Republic.
pepe32

Stamford, CT

#2 Aug 31, 2007
Tony you are one sick Afro-Nazi and you donīt deserve to be called Dominican...maybe the Haitians will take you because you are a traitor and a neuron deficient being that states things that are pulled from your rectum because the lies you wrote you cannot prove.

Go to that very hot place that smells like sulfur
and do what Oedipus did.
Jose79

New York, NY

#3 Sep 20, 2007
Pepe,

Don't chastize Tony for an opinion that upon further examination may actually be true. La Trinitaria were anti-black and if you look into it there may be something to this Ku Klux Klan-Trinitaria stuff. Just because you have never heard of it doesn't mean that its not true.

Since: Jul 07

Moca ,Dominican Republic

#4 Sep 20, 2007
Jose79 wrote:
Pepe,
Don't chastize Tony for an opinion that upon further examination may actually be true. La Trinitaria were anti-black and if you look into it there may be something to this Ku Klux Klan-Trinitaria stuff. Just because you have never heard of it doesn't mean that its not true.
José,when someone who is obviously an Anti-Dominican and a racist like Tony (All his posts are anti-Dominican) writes things like that without offering CREDIBLE PROOF (He didnīt offer any proof to his slanderous accusations) he deserves plenty worse than what I wrote!

Since you defend him why donīt you post proof (not some Afro-Nazi version of what you call proof ) to your statements...

I suppose you also believe that Boyer was trying to help DR when his Haitian armies crossed into DR and committed multiple acts of racist cleansing in DR.

Anyhow I support the Trinitaria because without them we would be slaves to Haiti and would not exist as a nation ,we would then be part of that failed experiment called Haiti!

PS José opinions are like a'holes everyone has one but discussions are not based on opinions but on facts otherwise people like Tony (Antoine) and yourself can just pull whatever comes out of your liver and discuss it with no end in site..
Jose79

New York, NY

#5 Sep 20, 2007
All I am saying is that there may be some truth to the acusation that Tony made, we have an obligation to look into it rather than dismiss it. A criticism of Juan Pablo Duarte is not an attack on the good people in each pueblo, rather a different view than what has been presented to us by our government that controls the school system in the DR.

You have to rememeber who benefits from us hating Haitians; The Rich in the pueblo, not anyone else.

Just look into it, what Tony said may acually be true. No harm done if it is. Thats all I am saying.

Since: Jul 07

Moca ,Dominican Republic

#6 Sep 20, 2007
Jose79 wrote:
All I am saying is that there may be some truth to the acusation that Tony made, we have an obligation to look into it rather than dismiss it. A criticism of Juan Pablo Duarte is not an attack on the good people in each pueblo, rather a different view than what has been presented to us by our government that controls the school system in the DR.
You have to rememeber who benefits from us hating Haitians; The Rich in the pueblo, not anyone else.
Just look into it, what Tony said may acually be true. No harm done if it is. Thats all I am saying.
Between a Haitian and my government I will choose my government and Juan Pablo Duarte every time and it is incumbent on the Haitian Tony and anyone else that brings such slander to offer the proof or shut up!

To me Boyer and Dessalines were murderers of Dominicans and worse racist murderers so I completely agree with Duarte and Santana and Imbert in their Patriotic actions that led to the foundation of my country ,I only wish they had picked better colors for my flag!

Until monsieur antoine comes in with proof ,he is simply an anti-Dominican with sh't for brains!

Since: Aug 07

Brooklyn, Ny

#7 Sep 21, 2007
Pepe32 wrote:
<quoted text>
Between a Haitian and my government I will choose my government and Juan Pablo Duarte every time and it is incumbent on the Haitian Tony and anyone else that brings such slander to offer the proof or shut up!
To me Boyer and Dessalines were murderers of Dominicans and worse racist murderers so I completely agree with Duarte and Santana and Imbert in their Patriotic actions that led to the foundation of my country ,I only wish they had picked better colors for my flag!
Until monsieur antoine comes in with proof ,he is simply an anti-Dominican with sh't for brains!
Who says that Tony is Haitian?

Pepe, I must say I agree with you defending your country, but I had you pegged wrong.

You made it seem like you were all for our countries achieving some kind of cohesiveness, but I'm now clear of your position.

To think that after all the debate that we've done, I actually thought that you and I could "hang out".

Peace Brother.

Since: Jul 07

Moca ,Dominican Republic

#8 Sep 21, 2007
nupey wrote:
<quoted text>Who says that Tony is Haitian?
Pepe, I must say I agree with you defending your country, but I had you pegged wrong.
You made it seem like you were all for our countries achieving some kind of cohesiveness, but I'm now clear of your position.
To think that after all the debate that we've done, I actually thought that you and I could "hang out".
Peace Brother.
Nupey ,I am for cohesiveness but first comes respect and when someone disrespects my country and its founding Father in such a way without proof I will not be looking for peace.This Tony character posts anti-Dominican post after post and all regarding Haiti so you tell me....

Every time people like you and Boum move me closer to an understanding , people like HP and Tony shock me back to the reality that this will take alot longer than even I expected!

I will not tolerate my country being slandered and attacked by people that would do better looking in the mirror and seeing their own problems...
boum

Saint Louis, MO

#9 Sep 25, 2007
http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/index...

Armando Valladares, a supporter of the film, is on the Human Rights
Foundation, along with Elie Wiesel, Nobel Winner.
Jose 79

New York, NY

#10 Sep 25, 2007
Point of information Pepe; Dominicans did not exist as a nationality prior to 1844. From my understanding Boyer didn't murder anyone, just expelled the children of Europeans who had stolen the land from the Tainos. A lot of that stuff was made up so that people born in the Dominican Republic could live in fear of this "Haitian Invasion"; in actuality they were just defending the European invasion.

Since: Jul 07

Moca ,Dominican Republic

#11 Sep 25, 2007
Jose 79 wrote:
Point of information Pepe; Dominicans did not exist as a nationality prior to 1844. From my understanding Boyer didn't murder anyone, just expelled the children of Europeans who had stolen the land from the Tainos. A lot of that stuff was made up so that people born in the Dominican Republic could live in fear of this "Haitian Invasion"; in actuality they were just defending the European invasion.
Jose 79 wrote:
Point of information Pepe; Dominicans did not exist as a nationality prior to 1844. From my understanding Boyer didn't murder anyone, just expelled the children of Europeans who had stolen the land from the Tainos. A lot of that stuff was made up so that people born in the Dominican Republic could live in fear of this "Haitian Invasion"; in actuality they were just defending the European invasion.
Jose,you can spout all the "information" you want but I am sure that you have no serious proof to back it up other than some afro-nazi websites which are exactly the same as their white-power counterparts!

When the barbaric Haitians invaded we had already declared our independence known as the "independencia efimera" which was cut short by the genocidal Haitian invasion which supposedly came to liberate us and then stayed for over thirty years until we managed to kick them out!
Tony79

New York, NY

#12 Sep 27, 2007
Pepe32 wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
Jose,you can spout all the "information" you want but I am sure that you have no serious proof to back it up other than some afro-nazi websites which are exactly the same as their white-power counterparts!
When the barbaric Haitians invaded we had already declared our independence known as the "independencia efimera" which was cut short by the genocidal Haitian invasion which supposedly came to liberate us and then stayed for over thirty years until we managed to kick them out!
Pepe that is not true. All of those stories were made up by the Trujillo regime in order to promote Dominican Nationalism as a distraction to the human rights violations that were going on. Even Juan Bosch said in "The Unfinshed Experiment" said "when one looks at what first hand witnesses said of the period (of haitian rule) it emerges that nothing happend in the way that these historians would like one to beleive."
Remember Trujillo just didn't rename mountains and cities after himself he also had Ballaguer re-write all the school text books.

Since: Jul 07

Moca ,Dominican Republic

#13 Sep 28, 2007
Tony79 wrote:
<quoted text>
Pepe that is not true. All of those stories were made up by the Trujillo regime in order to promote Dominican Nationalism as a distraction to the human rights violations that were going on. Even Juan Bosch said in "The Unfinshed Experiment" said "when one looks at what first hand witnesses said of the period (of haitian rule) it emerges that nothing happend in the way that these historians would like one to beleive."
Remember Trujillo just didn't rename mountains and cities after himself he also had Ballaguer re-write all the school text books.
None of it is true because Tony says so....

I recommend your read some of Juan Bosch's books instead of taking what you want to take,because even the Haitians in this forum have acknowledged that there were massacres by black Haitians on their side of the island and the anti-white hatred did not stop when they crossed the border.Only the most naive person or an afro-Nazi would believe that the Haitians were saints that did no evil on my side of the island when all you have to do is read how they treated (and still treat)each other!

You have the nerve to discredit with your words the writings of many serious historians and WITHOUT AN OUNCE OF PROOF! I truly hope you are not Dominican because it's bad enough having an enemy outside you borders ,but the enemy within is the most dangerous!
Tony

AOL

#14 Sep 29, 2007
1. Dominicans are not serious historians monstro. All of the history was destroyed by Trujiilo and rewritten by his cronies. They are the ones that have no proof.

2. There is no such thing as an Afro-Nazi. That is an oxymoron. Its like saying "Black-Domincan" they do not exist papi.

3. Los blanquitos that may have died in any skimishes deserved it. Thats what they get for murdering Tainos; what goes around comes around.

4. No soy "Dominicano" esta nationalidad no existe papi. El nombre de la isla es HAITI. TA-TO.

5. There are many more like me out here, just look around. We are everywhere. BOO!
Rock the Casbah

Lakewood, NJ

#15 Sep 29, 2007
I don't understand why sugar cane cannot be harvested mechanically to this day. Besides, the price for sugar is set outside producing countries. It's a waste of labor when you consider the low price paid for a pound of sugar, and this is one of the reasons why the workers are abused. Comparing Haitian and Dominican standards of living is a waste of time. Some types of labor are simply excruciating.

Dominican diplomats are going to need some kind of attitude training. Storming out of public events lessens yours and the country's image. Obviously, Almanzar was not ready to field any questions about the film with any rational answers. If he read a synopsis, I don't think he understood well. I doubt if he's familiar or comprehends American labor law, which is the criteria that the film is using to evaluate working conditions in those sugar plantations. One thing is having no choice but to live in Third World conditions, but it's another to defend them. He should know better.

Since: Jul 07

Moca ,Dominican Republic

#16 Oct 1, 2007
Tony wrote:
1. Dominicans are not serious historians monstro. All of the history was destroyed by Trujiilo and rewritten by his cronies. They are the ones that have no proof.

***As usual you make assertions that you canīt back up! Where are your historians and BTW the Afro-centric pseudo historians donīt count!

2. There is no such thing as an Afro-Nazi. That is an oxymoron. Its like saying "Black-Domincan" they do not exist papi.

*** First of all unless you are a "Maricon" you do not call another man PAPI ,second of all Afro-Nazi is my personal description for Afro-centric racists

3. Los blanquitos that may have died in any skimishes deserved it. Thats what they get for murdering Tainos; what goes around comes around.

***So by your own sick and perverted logic the Haitians killed by Trujillo deserved what they got for what they did to the people of the Dominican Republic! You are an Afro-Nazi in other words a black racist!

4. No soy "Dominicano" esta nationalidad no existe papi.

***You have to be a complete moron to say that the Dominican nationality doesn't exist ...Perhaps the UN,OAS and other world organizations should be notified that "La Republica Dominicana" does not exist because in the imbecile mind of a Haitian it does not exist!

El nombre de la isla es HAITI. TA-TO.

***El nombre de la isla es LA ESPAŅOLA por mucho que te joda!

5. There are many more like me out here, just look around. We are everywhere. BOO!
**** Diga perejil carajo!! vamos a ver quien tiene mas miedo porque a ti y a tu gente les hemos dado pela tras pela ,por eso lloran como maricones a la ONU porque no pueden con nosotros de frente a frente! Banda de subnormales!

Otra cosa mariquita cuando empieze a correr la sangre no llores por tu madre ni te lamentes con tu novio porque el que juega con fuego termina quemado y nosotros tenemos cuentas pendientes!

Since: Aug 07

Brooklyn, Ny

#17 Oct 1, 2007
TONY,

Si tu es Haitiano, diganos, de modo que poder aceptar la culpa.

Since: Aug 07

Brooklyn, Ny

#18 Oct 1, 2007
Or should I say, justify the accusation.
Tony

New York, NY

#19 Oct 1, 2007
On the world stage the burden of proof is on the "Dominican" People who choose to defend a lie.
Tony

New York, NY

#20 Oct 1, 2007
Ay Pepito,

Don't start making threats. Los "Dominicanos" didn't do anything to Trujillo for 30 years but be obident and you ain't gonna do anything now.

Dominicans are chumps, thats why nobody respects you.

I heard Oprah Winfrey is gonna run a show on Dominican racism against blacks. I heard she visted Haiti and said all black people should see where slavery was broken and be proud.

Sounds like the end is near. Damn. What you gonna do now?

LMAO!

Btw dod you hear that Reggaeton song from that movie Padres de Racismo? I did, thought it was good.

"Rompe, Rompe, Rompe, San Francisco; Juan Pablo Duarte Padre de Racismo.......Francisco Rosario; pato Benedicto; Ramon Mella mamaowebo; Padre de Racismo!! LOL!

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